Barak Obama ( Archived) (40)

Mar 4, 2008 1:19 AM CST Barak Obama
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
I saw this on the net this morning.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday backed the Bush administration's policy of shunning contact with the Islamic militants of Hamas in its Middle East peace diplomacy. He said "You can't negotiate with somebody who does not recognize the right of a country to exist so I understand why Israel doesn't meet with Hamas,"

Obama has said in the past he would be willing to meet with leaders with whom the Bush administration strongly disagrees, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Yet, Iran does not recognize Israel either and Ahmadinejad has often threatened the imminent destruction of the Jewish state.

How is this different? How can one negotiate using a standard which is not applied equally to all? Both Ahmadinejad and Hamas representatives have been elected into their positions and are recognized by their respective countries. confused
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Mar 5, 2008 2:56 PM CST Barak Obama
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
if the other threads about him are not exhausted, why start more?uh oh hole
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Mar 5, 2008 2:59 PM CST Barak Obama
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
cristina: if the other threads about him are not exhausted, why start more?


The others were too flowery, I'm trying to get an answer on his policy and the reasons behind it.
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Mar 5, 2008 3:02 PM CST Barak Obama
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
Sparky55: The others were too flowery, I'm trying to get an answer on his policy and the reasons behind it.


okblushing

drink pouring
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Mar 5, 2008 3:07 PM CST Barak Obama
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
cristina: ok


Thanks for understanding Cristina. I know these things can get somewhat tedious... Take care now... bouquet
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Mar 5, 2008 3:08 PM CST Barak Obama
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
Sparky55: Thanks for understanding Cristina. I know these things can get somewhat tedious... Take care now...


"take care now"giggle

never mindsuper
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Mar 5, 2008 3:11 PM CST Barak Obama
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
cristina: "take care now"

never mind


Sometimes I just say that when ending a conversation on a good note... See ya... wave
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Mar 5, 2008 3:16 PM CST Barak Obama
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
im surprised
that was seemingly a dismissive comment at the least
and too be rude regarding other threads?
does flowery mean well fleshed out and neutral
or maybe just informative?
is something a bit more on the offense or assertive maybe
really more compelling and not flowery?
id really like to know
and i am asking the source.

there are at least 2 threads i can think of that include posts by thinking, articulate people. i think you may be on some of them?
i never heard anyone dislike anything you had to say there.

i would also say its generally suggested that when
a post such as this is an inspiration for discussion-anywhere-
a battery of complaints can ensue regarding
not noting the source

in response to the remark as to wanting to learn more?

wow

i never consider such a forum a possibility of learning facts.
dunno

theres aLOT of info out there and in here (internet)
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Mar 5, 2008 3:18 PM CST Barak Obama
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
Sparky55: Sometimes I just say that when ending a conversation on a good note... See ya...


take care now and other things said to say goodbye
are usually said after person one indicates they are leaving.
unless person 2 is being a smarty pants

and you just did it again

im so disappointed
dunno


moping



help
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Mar 5, 2008 3:20 PM CST Barak Obama
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
I dont know much more than my own personal meanings and beside what I hear from others and what I have seen happening in the last years in world. Other than those I have not much idea a bout how people on power are going to do things and why.

There is just some thing telling me very strongly that Obama will talk with Hamas and he will see that is necassary and impossible not to.

you know Sparkey as a matter of "very" fact......Ahmadinejad and Hamas and Hizbollah they are all the same and the head of both these organisations which were born because israeli occupation kept continuing with out real hopes a bout the feauter, is Islamic republic of Iran.

Obama knows this very well and therfor he does not have to talk too much a bout whom he is going to talk with right now....Get Ahmadinejad and Khamneii the real leader of Iran,s accept then you will get them all! Bushneys knowing this as well but their retoric is totaly differnet and they just keep shouting at iranians and treatening them and clsing their eyes when Israel kills the palestinians and helping them doing so with no doubt at all!

This is not too complicated at all you know? A desperate life situation in Palestinian land makes people choose the organisations whom are really helping them with food and medicin and health and housing and jobs and any thing else possible during this huge embargo they have been suffering from in years ....and in the middle of this Iran saw the great possibility to gain support and then Iran made Hizbollah of Libanon and then strengthen Hamas and now they own both these groups!

Obama as told knows this well , and I bet he has a good plan how to settle the situation down and he has an advantage others do not have and that is his hands are clean of blod .....in the middle east people dont forget goodness or the opposite and thats how old civilisations making people to be.

Obama does not have to talk much a bout how his plans in details are because maybe some body else grabs those and making those his own. He has to be some how quiet a bout the details until he is certain a bout presidency and then you will see real positive changes in the matter of peace in the middle east, sooner than any body thinks possible.
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Mar 5, 2008 3:25 PM CST Barak Obama
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
mindfful: take care now and other things said to say goodbye
are usually said after person one indicates they are leaving.
unless person 2 is being a smarty pants

and you just did it again

im so disappointed


hug

rose
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Mar 5, 2008 3:33 PM CST Barak Obama
injuneer
injuneerinjuneerClarksville, Tennessee USA1 Threads 55 Posts
While Obama did indeed make that very statement, certainly you are wise enough to understand there is a significant difference between a general policy and a specific one. Like every administration, these sorts of policies are ever changeing. A sincere diplomatic effort can change the senerio enough that a change of policy is in order, much like we will certainly see in Cuba once the elder Castro has departed.

No doubt, if Hamas where to extend a fig leaf to Israel there would be all sorts of diplomatic efforts to capture the moment and attempt to build on that very effort. I haven't heard the other presidential hopefull's take a contrary position, so perhaps in this case Obama feels a more unified position will send a message to Hamas that waiting for the "next president" might not be the best approach and perhaps they need to begin negotiations sooner rather than later.

The world of diplomacy will always be in a constant state of flux. Woe is the politician that crosses their arms and refuses to bend with the times......
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Mar 5, 2008 3:33 PM CST Barak Obama
When you read some of the Threads about Obama,you get the Impression that he is a Demi-God with all the abilities ascribed to him.
Please people stay with Reality to some Degree.Hmmm?

moping cool
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Mar 5, 2008 3:39 PM CST Barak Obama
Metija
MetijaMetijaTavira, Faro Portugal67 Posts
Sparky55: The others were too flowery, I'm trying to get an answer on his policy and the reasons behind it.


Hi Sparky....if you want an answer on his attitude to foreign affairs....look no further....there is an article published by THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS.....and written by BARACK OBAMA.....it is called "RENEWING AMERICAN LEADERSHIP" .....here's the link...

It's very enlightening and far better to get it straight from the horses mouth than biased hearsay on the internet !

It will be interesting to know what you think of the article....

You too Dude !

waiter
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Mar 5, 2008 3:40 PM CST Barak Obama
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
mindfful: take care now and other things said to say goodbye
are usually said after person one indicates they are leaving.
unless person 2 is being a smarty pants

and you just did it again

im so disappointed


Mindful,

I really don't know where you're coming from with this. Are you trying to say I said that to be rude or dismissive? If that's what you thnk, you're mistaken. Please feel free to preuse any of my posts and you will see I have used that term many times in the past.

Also, if you do look at my posts you will find that when I wish to be pointed or rude I am very clearly pointed and rude and no guessing is required.

As for the other post (if it was intended for me) I did use the word flowery becasue most of the other Obama threads are very flattering towards him. I wanted to look at him from a different perspective.

I must admit I am somewhat surprised by your response here. If you have questions by all means ask but please don't pass judgement or become disappointed based on what you think I am thinking.
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Mar 5, 2008 3:42 PM CST Barak Obama
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
Metija: Hi Sparky....if you want an answer on his attitude to foreign affairs....look no further....there is an article published by THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS.....and written by BARACK OBAMA.....it is called "RENEWING AMERICAN LEADERSHIP" .....here's the link...

It's very enlightening and far better to get it straight from the horses mouth than biased hearsay on the internet !

It will be interesting to know what you think of the article....

You too Dude !


Thanks, I'll do that. Probably will be back to you tomorrow. It's a bit late here and I need my beauty sleep soon.
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Mar 5, 2008 3:46 PM CST Barak Obama
Metija
MetijaMetijaTavira, Faro Portugal67 Posts
Sparky55: Thanks, I'll do that. Probably will be back to you tomorrow. It's a bit late here and I need my beauty sleep soon.


Okie dokie....and sweet dreams angel
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Mar 5, 2008 3:49 PM CST Barak Obama
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
I haven't heard the other presidential hopefull's take a contrary position, so perhaps in this case Obama feels a more unified position will send a message to Hamas that waiting for the "next president" might not be the best approach and perhaps they need to begin negotiations sooner rather than later.

That makes sense.. Thanks for your post
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Mar 5, 2008 3:51 PM CST Barak Obama
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
not sure but im hopeful i was pointing out that it SEEMED that way

and it does
especially since it was repeated

shouldnt matter what i think

and i dont find pointed and rude to be the same thing
as i am a fan of clarity, being articulate and being informed,
not that you asked me-

laugh

if i were this candidate i wouldnt make any comment whatsoever
on a situation thats current and developing, for a number of reasons

it may change
people really focus on later, positive and negative,
as they perceive them, on comments/actions regarding
this particular part of the world
and i wouldnt like a candidate spouting off on stuff
that may not be within their realm to effect at this time.
it would e unwise and inappropriate.

your point for me is made in your last sentence in the op.
these places have their own officials, and also,
this has been an ongoing conflict for a long long time.
so far out interjection has had a mixed result...
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Mar 5, 2008 4:00 PM CST Barak Obama
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude:
Obama does not have to talk much a bout how his plans in details are because maybe some body else grabs those and making those his own. He has to be some how quiet a bout the details until he is certain a bout presidency and then you will see real positive changes in the matter of peace in the middle east, sooner than any body thinks possible.




Damn, you're on the inside track with the Obama campaign, I see? Let us know what else he's up to...grin
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