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Mar 18, 2008 7:24 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Manolito
ManolitoManolitoa strfilled galaxy far faraway, Greater London, England UK19 Threads 1 Polls 1,611 Posts
royalnavy23: of course i did, so does everyone. im not the one kicking off about being there, i getno greater pleasure than putting a few bullets in someone trying to fire a rocket at me!! honestly!! some people just need to get there facts correct!!!


Would you care to elaborate on that? Maybe it just came out the wrong way...

You dont really mean that you get the utmost satisfaction from killing people? Maybe you meant that you are happy that you got him before he got you, every time this happens?

There are more ways than just war, to solve or ease international problems...

Support the troops? Of course i support them: I support their safe return to home ground where they can do what they were meant to be doing: Defend the country.
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Mar 18, 2008 7:32 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
bodleing: I support the troops who are defending
themselves from the aggressor.

Wherever they may be from.



That's why every country has troops ... To Defend ... if it was the only mission of troops ... there would be never a single war in a World. Unfortunately it seems like some Goverments are use troops as a tool to make money or to solve an old family grudge against certain country. Shame!



Fearing the spread of communism,(how foollish) President Kennedy committed the people of the United States of America to defending the fledgling democratic government of South Vietnam. Despite its arguably noble intentions, the war in Vietnam would prove the greatest challenge to American democratic idealism since the Civil War.

During the ten years of America's commitment to the Vietnam war, 55,000 servicemen would be killed or listed as missing; the presidency would change hands three times; and the American people would wage their own war at home against the United States government.

The conflict's roots took shape in July 1954, when France was forced out of Vietnam after one hundred years of colonial rule. In the peace process, the country was partitioned into northern and southern sections, with a U.S.-supported government in the south and a communist republic in the north. On December 20, 1960, the northern Communist Party formed the National Liberation Front (NLF), with the ultimate goal of reunifying the country. In response, U.S. President John F. Kennedy began supplying military equipment and advisors in 1961.

Matters escalated when North Vietnam launched an attack against the C. Turner Joy and the U.S.S. Maddox, two American ships on call in the Gulf of Tonkin, on August 2, 1964. In the U.S. Congress, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was passed, allowing for an expanded war effort. Despite hopes for a limited, "controlled" war, the conflict would drag itself out for another decade.

In early 1965, U.S. President Lyndon Johnson ordered the first of many sustained bombing missions over North Vietnam , which would be known as Operation Rolling Thunder. In March of the same year, the first U.S. combat troops were sent to Vietnam.

Despite superior U.S. firepower and technology, the North Vietnamese forces were successful in fighting a protracted, guerilla-style conflict. American fortunes changed for the worse with the Tet Offensive in 1968, in which major South Vietnam cities were attacked. Historians disagree on the literal success of the offensive, but it proved to be a huge boost for North Vietnamese morale, and had the opposite effect on the South Vietnamese and U.S. forces.

As American servicemembers fought in Vietnam, a different kind of war was taking place for American citizens back home, where the struggle was between the American people and their opposition to the fighting in Vietnam; and the American presidency's (beginning with J.F.K.) determination to halt the spread of communism. Incidents such as the police riot in Chicago during the 1968 Democratic National Convention became more common, and even became tragic with the shootings of Kent State University student protestors in 1970.

to be continue ...........
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Mar 18, 2008 7:33 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Ultimately, lacking a credible plan for winning the war, the American government was forced to give in to the wishes of the American people and withdraw its troops from Vietnam. In early January 1973, the Nixon administration, the Paris Peace Agreement ended open hostilities between the U.S. and North Vietnam. However, the South Vietnamese continued to battle the Communists from March 1973 until the fall of Saigon and the capture of the South Vietnamese presidential palace on April 30, 1975, which brought the war to a close.

So divisive was the conflict in Vietnam and America's involvement that relations among the government, the people and the military would be strained until they were reunified by the Gulf War 25 years later. As evidenced by numerous documentaries, books and films about the war, the hard lessons the U.S. learned in Vietnam are still very much in the public consciousness.

So ... why instead of supporting troops wearing any colors people of USA or Canada or any Country which are involved in suicidal, never ending war in a Middle East NOT GO IN A STREETS AND PROTEST. TROOPS HAVE RIGHT TO PROTEST TOO. HIGH MILLITARY ESHELON CAN'T SEND TO A DEATH ROW ALL SOLDIERS WHO REFUSED TO FIGHT.

This is RED color that my heart is wearing these days.

I want this War to be stopped ...... Now!

peace
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Mar 18, 2008 7:38 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
Fallingman: Exactly. But who is the aggressor?


Well sometimes the answer to that isn't
so obvious.

All i am saying is, my support doesn't go
automatically without question to the
forces from my country regardless of the
rights and wrongs of the situation.

I will always support the oppressed.
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Mar 18, 2008 7:46 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
royalnavy23: of course i did, so does everyone. im not the one kicking off about being there, i getno greater pleasure than putting a few bullets in someone trying to fire a rocket at me!! honestly!! some people just need to get there facts correct!!!


Young man I hope you had only "A" on a History subject in High School.

because without knowing our past we are doomed to echo MISTAKES of our grandgrandparents, grandparents and parents.

The Vietnam War was the longest and most unpopular war in which Americans ever fought. And there is no reckoning the cost. The toll in suffering, sorrow, in rancorous national turmoil can never be tabulated. No one wants ever to see America so divided again. And for many of the more than two million American veterans of the war, the wounds of Vietnam will never heal.

Fifty-eight thousand Americans lost their lives. The losses to the Vietnamese people were appalling. The financial cost to the United States comes to something over $150 billion dollars. Direct American involvement began in 1955 with the arrival of the first advisors. The first combat troops arrived in 1965 and we fought the war until the cease-fire of January 1973. To a whole new generation of young Americans today, it seems a story from the olden times.

The same with a War in Afganistan ........ which will NEVER end .... I'm very glad that Soviet Union Goverment understood it and withdrew troops from that useless bloody war ( btw USA was suppling weapons to Afganistan to fight against USSR.( funny it is nowdays Afgan troops fighting USA with "Made in USA" weapons. Hmmm... and old AK 47 of course.)

I will speak to Spirits for you to come home safely and to have and raise your children and to love a woman who will keep you happy and content.
bouquet
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Mar 18, 2008 7:50 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
PILIPALA
PILIPALAPILIPALACardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK200 Threads 4,804 Posts
I will not support the troops as i do not support the war. However i hope for their safe return. Also wish for the safety of the Iraqi people.
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Mar 18, 2008 7:53 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
bodleing: Well sometimes the answer to that isn't
so obvious.

All i am saying is, my support doesn't go
automatically without question to the
forces from my country regardless of the
rights and wrongs of the situation.

I will always support the oppressed.


Fair enough Bodleing thumbs up
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Mar 18, 2008 7:56 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Manolito
ManolitoManolitoa strfilled galaxy far faraway, Greater London, England UK19 Threads 1 Polls 1,611 Posts
Konigsberg: Young man I hope you had only "A" on a History subject in High School.

because without knowing our past we are doomed to echo MISTAKES of our grandgrandparents, grandparents and parents.

The Vietnam War was the longest and most unpopular war in which Americans ever fought. And there is no reckoning the cost. The toll in suffering, sorrow, in rancorous national turmoil can never be tabulated. No one wants ever to see America so divided again. And for many of the more than two million American veterans of the war, the wounds of Vietnam will never heal.

Fifty-eight thousand Americans lost their lives. The losses to the Vietnamese people were appalling. The financial cost to the United States comes to something over $150 billion dollars. Direct American involvement began in 1955 with the arrival of the first advisors. The first combat troops arrived in 1965 and we fought the war until the cease-fire of January 1973. To a whole new generation of young Americans today, it seems a story from the olden times.

The same with a War in Afganistan ........ which will NEVER end .... I'm very glad that Soviet Union Goverment understood it and withdrew troops from that useless bloody war ( btw USA was suppling weapons to Afganistan to fight against USSR.( funny it is nowdays Afgan troops fighting USA with "Made in USA" weapons. Hmmm... and old AK 47 of course.)

I will speak to Spirits for you to come home safely and to have and raise your children and to love a woman who will keep you happy and content.



The Afgans were not the only ones supplied with US weapons back then... there are millions of US / USSR supplied weapons in those regions - and other parts of the world.

Old they might be, but you are right about one thing: there is no way to definately submit a country where every household is armed with a Zastava, Kalasnikof, AK-47 or G3. These are heavy duty assault riffles, firing rounds of 7.62 mm, with more destructive power than the more modern guns - as they come from a different era where different rules prevailed. And they are in the millions all over the asiatic continent. And someone took the, there... There are no asiatic brands of weapons...

We have a saying: Dont dig a hole, you might fall in it.
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Mar 18, 2008 8:00 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
jetdevil2001
jetdevil2001jetdevil2001Tashkent, Uzbekistan6 Threads 1 Polls 406 Posts
Konigsberg: Young man I hope you had only "A" on a History subject in High School.

because without knowing our past we are doomed to echo MISTAKES of our grandgrandparents, grandparents and parents.

The Vietnam War was the longest and most unpopular war in which Americans ever fought. And there is no reckoning the cost. The toll in suffering, sorrow, in rancorous national turmoil can never be tabulated. No one wants ever to see America so divided again. And for many of the more than two million American veterans of the war, the wounds of Vietnam will never heal.

Fifty-eight thousand Americans lost their lives. The losses to the Vietnamese people were appalling. The financial cost to the United States comes to something over $150 billion dollars. Direct American involvement began in 1955 with the arrival of the first advisors. The first combat troops arrived in 1965 and we fought the war until the cease-fire of January 1973. To a whole new generation of young Americans today, it seems a story from the olden times.

The same with a War in Afganistan ........ which will NEVER end .... I'm very glad that Soviet Union Goverment understood it and withdrew troops from that useless bloody war ( btw USA was suppling weapons to Afganistan to fight against USSR.( funny it is nowdays Afgan troops fighting USA with "Made in USA" weapons. Hmmm... and old AK 47 of course.)

I will speak to Spirits for you to come home safely and to have and raise your children and to love a woman who will keep you happy and content.


thumbs up There is no chance to win in partisan war, as it was in WW II, in Vietnam and in Afghanistan, my father could be involved in this war after the overturn in Afghanistan by Taliban, but he refused and many other soldiers can refuse to war. I support army, but army which defends, not attacks. I wonder how millions of Americans could supprt Bush's policy at first, and regret at the end... Did war victims open their eyes?
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Mar 18, 2008 8:10 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Manolito: The Afgans were not the only ones supplied with US weapons back then... there are millions of US / USSR supplied weapons in those regions - and other parts of the world.

Old they might be, but you are right about one thing: there is no way to definately submit a country where every household is armed with a Zastava, Kalasnikof, AK-47 or G3. These are heavy duty assault riffles, firing rounds of 7.62 mm, with more destructive power than the more modern guns - as they come from a different era where different rules prevailed. And they are in the millions all over the asiatic continent. And someone took the, there... There are no asiatic brands of weapons...

We have a saying: Dont dig a hole, you might fall in it.


Well ... AK-47 riffle IS Kalashnikov wich was invented by Aleksander Kalashikov(AK) ... I think it is most reliable weapon ever invented.

When I was a teen we were digging up AK's from Baltic sea, in Konigsberg .... that were left on the bottom, in a salt water for more than 30 years. All we had to do ... to dry AKs up, to clean, to oil and they were back to action. devil

We have the same saying ..... thumbs up
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Mar 18, 2008 8:12 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
jetdevil2001: There is no chance to win in partisan war, as it was in WW II, in Vietnam and in Afghanistan, my father could be involved in this war after the overturn in Afghanistan by Taliban, but he refused and many other soldiers can refuse to war. I support army, but army which defends, not attacks. I wonder how millions of Americans could supprt Bush's policy at first, and regret at the end... Did war victims open their eyes?


We Soviet people know it TOO well sigh


thumbs up
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Mar 18, 2008 8:19 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Manolito
ManolitoManolitoa strfilled galaxy far faraway, Greater London, England UK19 Threads 1 Polls 1,611 Posts
Konigsberg: Well ... AK-47 riffle IS Kalashnikov wich was invented by Aleksander Kalashikov(AK) ... I think it is most reliable weapon ever invented.

When I was a teen we were digging up AK's from Baltic sea, in Konigsberg .... that were left on the bottom, in a salt water for more than 30 years. All we had to do ... to dry AKs up, to clean, to oil and they were back to action.

We have the same saying .....



I know dear... i played around with a few tongue
It was a specifying comma, not a parting one.

The G3-A3 and G3-A4 is the equivalent of the AK that the US would supply this nations in order to kill each other out... I got one of those too... you see, i was born in one of these nations and i know what the standard US policy was / is:

None other than what helped shape the British Empire back in the day:
Divide and Conquer
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Mar 18, 2008 8:23 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
constanza
constanzaconstanzaLA, California USA28 Threads 1 Polls 5,159 Posts
Roseblossum: Support the troops, wear RED on Friday? Are ya going to do it.
Support either way, that is all I am asking!!!!!!!



I hate war, but I do respect the sacrifice many are making as we speak so, RED it is peace
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Mar 18, 2008 8:29 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Manolito: I know dear... i played around with a few
It was a specifying comma, not a parting one.

The G3-A3 and G3-A4 is the equivalent of the AK that the US would supply this nations in order to kill each other out... I got one of those too... you see, i was born in one of these nations and i know what the standard US policy was / is:

None other than what helped shape the British Empire back in the day:
Divide and Conquer


Oh! my bad ... I had to know that you know laugh

wine
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Mar 18, 2008 12:45 PM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
oslojente
oslojenteoslojenteOlso, Oslo Norway23 Threads 2 Polls 1,532 Posts
Indyfella: No good news will come out of Iraq by the press by the major networks as it would hurt either Hillary or Obama's chances of becoming president. I heard a list of good things yesterday, but can't remember them all; 30% of women in the government now, girls in school, death's down 60%. As I said, it was a long list, but I can't remember the remainder.

Hang in there fellow.




What's your source, if I may ask??
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Mar 18, 2008 5:19 PM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
oslojente: What's your source, if I may ask??


Well, it wasn't from Dude obviously rolling on the floor laughing

Local radio discussion 95.1 on the FM dial.

I did some checking though. A more accurate number is 25% of Iraqi females in their parliament.
It's important that the mainstream (or lamestream) press not report any positive numbers as it would reflect positively on the US government.
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Mar 18, 2008 9:40 PM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
And they are in the millions all over the asiatic continent. And someone took the, there... There are no asiatic brands of weapons...


The "Asiatic" ie. Chinese versions of the AK, etc. were all over Africa and now that the Chinese are sending in "security personnel" into Sudan ostensibly to guard their oil exploration engineers and crews, fully expect to see their weapons again spreading from there into the hands of various groups especially those pro government marauders in the Darfur region. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Chinese Migs become part of the Sudanese Air Force also...to counter the terrorism of the French mirage jets from Tchad, of course, or Libyan Migs. Seem that they are hindering the pursuit and slaughter of refugees from Darfur...
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Mar 18, 2008 9:48 PM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
And as far as no army not being able to win fighting a "partisan war", go back and review the Algerian war against the French in the 50's. The French beat them on the ground, no question; it was the French Government which lost; which beat their own army...hence the attempted putsch/ coup by some of the elite French Regiments and their officers and the Paras from the Legion. That devolved into the OAS. The Algerian FLN was thoroughly beaten by French troops. Any good professional army can win a partisan war provided their government has the will and the nerve to see it through...regardless of the threats made by some third rate alcoholic playboy playing President of the US, as Kennedy...
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Mar 18, 2008 10:11 PM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
Manolito
ManolitoManolitoa strfilled galaxy far faraway, Greater London, England UK19 Threads 1 Polls 1,611 Posts
solitare: And they are in the millions all over the asiatic continent. And someone took the, there... There are no asiatic brands of weapons... The "Asiatic" ie. Chinese versions of the AK, etc. were all over Africa and now that the Chinese are sending in "security personnel" into Sudan ostensibly to guard their oil exploration engineers and crews, fully expect to see their weapons again spreading from there into the hands of various groups especially those pro government marauders in the Darfur region. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Chinese Migs become part of the Sudanese Air Force also...to counter the terrorism of the French mirage jets from Tchad, of course, or Libyan Migs. Seem that they are hindering the pursuit and slaughter of refugees from Darfur...


There are chinese versions of the AK, Syrian ones, Pakistanese, Hungarian, Iraqi, you name it. I was saying that it is a Russian brand, and it surely didnt just *start* being prodused in a country simply like that, whatever the Russians might be saying about it.

The G3 i have in my closet, it's a German brand. But someone brought it here and it wasnt the Russians in this case.

I respect your oppinions, but all i am saying is that in most of these volitile countries, the reason there is a war to be fought - as Bush might see it anyway - is because a war demanding situation was created by previous actions.
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Mar 19, 2008 12:09 AM CST SUPPORT THE TROOPS,
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
Manolito: There are chinese versions of the AK, Syrian ones, Pakistanese, Hungarian, Iraqi, you name it. I was saying that it is a Russian brand, and it surely didnt just *start* being prodused in a country simply like that, whatever the Russians might be saying about it.

The G3 i have in my closet, it's a German brand. But someone brought it here and it wasnt the Russians in this case.

I respect your oppinions, but all i am saying is that in most of these volitile countries, the reason there is a war to be fought - as Bush might see it anyway - is because a war demanding situation was created by previous actions.


I won't quibble but as I deal with with arms and their purchases from various dealers, I have never seen any such thing as Syrian, Pakistani or Iraqi versions of the Russian AK of any model. Syria may have a licence to produce them but as with others who do, the markings will invariably identify it as Russian. I would be part of any production licence by itself or through any trade agreement. The Chinese versions are unique in several identifiable ways. One doesn't mix them up. Same with the Israeli Uzis licenced for production in South Africa and many others. But whatever the case, it is in the end only an inanimate object; guns do not kill people, governments do.
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