He's Given Up!! (30)
roseofsharon: Zimbabwe..........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
Yea it is sad, So what are Britain .American etc.going to do probably zilch. No real interest no oil.
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Personally Id say it was a calculated move to create civil unrest leading to a civil war / un intervention .
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roseofsharon: Zimbabwe..........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
is this a joke?
who says that we have a democracy
yes, we can vote, but voting is far away from democracy when the voters are the minority
when the people voting will be around 95% then it can be called democracy
what we have now is apathy with a minority ruling in name of others
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Robert Mugabe stated the only person who will remove him from power is god. Any one won't to write god on a bullet 
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crotalus_p: Personally Id say it was a calculated move to create civil unrest leading to a civil war / un intervention .
That is very interesting indeed, Crotalus.... can you elaborate on your thoughts please?
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alex_192: is this a joke?
who says that we have a democracy
yes, we can vote, but voting is far away from democracy when the voters are the minority
when the people voting will be around 95% then it can be called democracy
what we have now is apathy with a minority ruling in name of others
who says that we have a democracy
yes, we can vote, but voting is far away from democracy when the voters are the minority
when the people voting will be around 95% then it can be called democracy
what we have now is apathy with a minority ruling in name of others
Why should it be a joke?? It is posted under "Current Events & Politics".
I appreciate your thoughts about democracy and they are not dissimilar to my own but "democracy" - as we know it - if you will, is NOT the debate here. I am happy to discuss that particular subject another time but, on this occasion, I really wanted others' views on the topic posted.
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roseofsharon: Zimbabwe..........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
*Democrary*, Alison?
What democracy?On the other hand, it's a happy day for tyranny.
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roseofsharon: Zimbabwe..........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
Seems to me there will continue to be bloodshed regardless. Perhaps even more so now. At least they had some international attention during the election problems and had a legal gripe. Now they have thrown away any possibility of international intervention,
I suspect we'll here in the near future that Changerai has been killed along with anyone who openly supports him.
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It’s simple really , after the last election there is no way that the current regime will allow a fair election , so the opposition are guaranteed to lose , if the opposition go to the poles and lose it is more than likely that there will be some civil unrest but like in the past it will soon pass because every one got their vote , if people don’t get to vote it will create more hostility because they will feel like the current regime has stamped all over democracy by bulling the opposition out of the running this will cause considerably more civil unrest than if the position went to the poles and lost, which should lead to a civil war , there is no way the un is going to intervene and remove the big m how ever they might just intervene and hold a fair(ish) election ,
IMO it was the really the right and only move left to be taken
IMO it was the really the right and only move left to be taken
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crotalus_p: It’s simple really , after the last election there is no way that the current regime will allow a fair election , so the opposition are guaranteed to lose , if the opposition go to the poles and lose it is more than likely that there will be some civil unrest but like in the past it will soon pass because every one got their vote , if people don’t get to vote it will create more hostility because they will feel like the current regime has stamped all over democracy by bulling the opposition out of the running this will cause considerably more civil unrest than if the position went to the poles and lost, which should lead to a civil war , there is no way the un is going to intervene and remove the big m how ever they might just intervene and hold a fair(ish) election ,
IMO it was the really the right and only move left to be taken
IMO it was the really the right and only move left to be taken
I fear you are right, my friend.
I am mindful of "all it takes for evil men to succeed is for good men to do nothing" and, of course, Changerai had clearly done his best. I was hoping and praying he could see it through.....It transpires he is now held up in the Dutch Embassy in fear for his life. I am in no doubt he has always been in danger. Mugabe allegedly is fighting for the elections to continue as he does not want it claimed he is in power by default but by all accounts many governments are not to prepared to recognise his position as bona fide.
We still get this "lip-service" from the powers that be, are we to see any real courage of their convictions? Real commitment has been way, way overdue.......
Thanks for that, makes a lot of sense!
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With Zimbabwe being our (South Africa) neighbours we see daily how the lives of poor people are influenced by a brainless ruler. Thousands of Zimbabweans flock to South Africa hence the recent xenophobic attacks here.
The worst part is that the South African government does not want to intervene in Zimbabwe. It is very sad to see a once beautiful country going up in smoke and now South Africa is going the same direction.
As soon as I finish my MBA I am off to US or Australia.
The worst part is that the South African government does not want to intervene in Zimbabwe. It is very sad to see a once beautiful country going up in smoke and now South Africa is going the same direction.
As soon as I finish my MBA I am off to US or Australia.
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PILIPALA: Robert Mugabe stated the only person who will remove him from power is god. Any one won't to write god on a bullet
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roseofsharon:
Mugabe allegedly is fighting for the elections to continue as he does not want it claimed he is in power by default
Mugabe allegedly is fighting for the elections to continue as he does not want it claimed he is in power by default
of course he is ,in a fair election the vote could go either way at the moment , more than likely he would lose but there is the possibility that he could win, due to the amount of people that vote for him out of loyalty to his party, but this loyalty has been slowly dwindling , if there is a civil war and an outside force has to come in , that loyalty vote is going out the window and he will be slaughtered at the poll’s
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crotalus_p: of course he is ,in a fair election the vote could go either way at the moment , more than likely he would lose but there is the possibility that he could win, due to the amount of people that vote for him out of loyalty to his party, but this loyalty has been slowly dwindling , if there is a civil war and an outside force has to come in , that loyalty vote is going out the window and he will be slaughtered at the poll’s
Yes, but the elections are doubtless going to be rigged. He's done it before it would seem and losing is not an option for him. He will be determined to win at ANY cost. Previously, voters have been forced to go to the polling station and have even had "officials" go into the booth with them "in case they needed help"......
There is NO question of him not winning........ its outrageous!!
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PILIPALA: Yea it is sad, So what are Britain .American etc.going to do probably zilch. No real interest no oil.
Maybe time for the UN to step to the plate? Or African states? The US and UK stepped to plate on Iraq and Sadam. And both got was a wirl wind of descent from around the world. So why should the present or the next administration get involved?
For democracy? For human rights? Like Sadam was running fair elections in Iraq? And like 1000s of Iraqi were not dying under him?
Not sure you get it both ways, Pilipala. One time degrade a country for acting in the defense of democracy and human rights and then ask it to protect both when they has is obviously been shreaded and the lose of life is to occur.
Why should the US open itself up to foreign criticism when it places troops into a foreign country like Zimboway? Just to be the policeman on the international block? You know surely criticism will come. The first there is a death or a incident that makes the media. That criticism will come.
Well personally, if the UN placed troops in there. I would supportive of
adding US forces with them. But for us to jump with both feet and do it alone....nah.... Rather than listen to a world whining about American expansionisn and colonialism.
And you never know....maybe tomorrow they will discover oil in Zimboway.......so staying out this, for the US is moral high ground.
We would hate to have it said that we take over countries just to search for oil.
Right now...time to talk to your friendly UN on this one.
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PILIPALA: Robert Mugabe stated the only person who will remove him from power is god. Any one won't to write god on a bullet
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PILIPALA: Robert Mugabe stated the only person who will remove him from power is god. Any one won't to write god on a bullet
Its tempting... very much so. But its not the way. That would simply be taking a course of action that he himself advocates and even enforces - and we decry.....
If we are to have an valid and just argument about his actions in Zimbabwe and maintain the moral high ground, as it were, we have to find another way other than "bumping him off"....
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The UN Security Council just came out with a resolution on the situation. Said with the violence having 'fair elections' was impossible to do. The US and several other western countries wanted to include wording that Morgan Changerai was the ligitmate new President, but this wording was block by Russia, China, and South Africa.
UN Secretary General Ban says that he has been talking with the African Union and South Africa to resolve the issues.
I don't think that if Mugabe is still alive (he is 84 now) that you will see
elections in 5 years. And also feel that while Morgan is trying to get
Zimbawea Gov't approval to his safe leave of the country.....that with his supporters now imprisoned, killed, and threatened.....that the gov't
neither has to or needs to give it to him.
He still has outstanding charges of treason against him. As soon as he sets foot on Zimbawea soil, he is subject to them. And will face a court trial for his life. So why should Mugabe gov't give him such a approval?
If they do, he might come back into the political picture.
To me while what has happened in Zimbawea is a tragic misuse of gov't power and authority, the other real tragic event here was South
Africa, that only a few years prior could have easily taken the same course to oppress Black rights from coming to power. And did for many years. But today cannot extend either those same rights to Zimbaweans or can offer Zimbaweans fleeing the Mugabe oppression, safety within South Africa. Both are tragic, only one hypocritical as well.
UN Secretary General Ban says that he has been talking with the African Union and South Africa to resolve the issues.
I don't think that if Mugabe is still alive (he is 84 now) that you will see
elections in 5 years. And also feel that while Morgan is trying to get
Zimbawea Gov't approval to his safe leave of the country.....that with his supporters now imprisoned, killed, and threatened.....that the gov't
neither has to or needs to give it to him.
He still has outstanding charges of treason against him. As soon as he sets foot on Zimbawea soil, he is subject to them. And will face a court trial for his life. So why should Mugabe gov't give him such a approval?
If they do, he might come back into the political picture.
To me while what has happened in Zimbawea is a tragic misuse of gov't power and authority, the other real tragic event here was South
Africa, that only a few years prior could have easily taken the same course to oppress Black rights from coming to power. And did for many years. But today cannot extend either those same rights to Zimbaweans or can offer Zimbaweans fleeing the Mugabe oppression, safety within South Africa. Both are tragic, only one hypocritical as well.
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roseofsharon: Zimbabwe..........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........
Fact is, if there was oil there, the international community would be in there like a shot getting rid of the tyrant...
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Morgan Changerai of the MDC, opponent of Robert Mugabe, has had to give up the fight. He was believed to have deemed it not worth more bloodshed of his supporters for a vote he can't possibly win.
That means that Robert Mugabe is now to have another 5 years in office, albeit claimed to be "by default" and, of course, we are now getting the usual protestations (aka lip-service) from various governments.
A sad day for democracy?? I'd love to hear your views.........