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Aug 24, 2008 3:12 PM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
SF Gate~ San Francisco Chronicle
Lewis Seiler,Dan Hamburg

Monday, February 4, 2008

Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."

Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?

Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."

The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.

Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

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Aug 24, 2008 3:24 PM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
The New World Order dictates that any dissent will not be tolerated.

The Bilderberg Group will not allow anything, including democracy, from interfering with their elitist agenda. Democracy has consistently been under attack since the Vietnam era, instilling fear and distrust in our government. Those who will not capitulate to their aims will be eliminated by any means.

Why do they need internment camps on this scale? Because, once the boot clamps down, dissidence will be the primary reaction of anyone with a heartbeat, and who hasn't already sold out to the agendas of the multinationals. These people will not consume or do what they're told, so they're not part of the program. They will need to be eliminated.
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Aug 24, 2008 4:04 PM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
"Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees."

I wonder if these detention camps will have showers for people to bathe which can be quickly converted to carry a gas instead of water.
I wonder if these detention camps will have a crematorium for disposing of the dead because a place that big will no doubt have a few deaths.
I wonder if the rail cars will have toilet facilities, water and ventilation for the "detainees" if not many of them will probably not survive the trip. oh, wait, that's a good use for the crematoriums. How wonderful it is when a plan comes together. Isn't it lucky for us we had the experience gleaned from the Third Reich on how to deal with millions of "undesirables".

It's my guess that when word gets out what's going on there will be no need for the INS because the millions of illegals will be leaving by the 1,000, I wonder if they'll have room in the wagon for me?
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Aug 24, 2008 5:10 PM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
Spaghetti
SpaghettiSpaghettiGreensboro, North Carolina USA1 Threads 151 Posts
They also rule by cynicism. You have to be cynical after all to put your critics on the no-fly-list as payback. Or maybe it's a joke the victims just don't get?

Worst. President. Ever.

drinking
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Aug 24, 2008 5:38 PM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Spaghetti: They also rule by cynicism. You have to be cynical after all to put your critics on the no-fly-list as payback. Or maybe it's a joke the victims just don't get?

Worst. President. Ever.
and,above the law gang/rove,etc.made of teflon?or,have the dirt on dems?
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Aug 28, 2008 7:00 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Spaghetti: They also rule by cynicism. You have to be cynical after all to put your critics on the no-fly-list as payback. Or maybe it's a joke the victims just don't get?

Worst. President. Ever.
can,the next prez or partys,even help us out of this mess,doesnt look like it,this is the 4th prez election,i might vote,for none of the above.
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Aug 28, 2008 7:05 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
Wow...well...considering the source, the San Fran news rag, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Sounds like World Net Dailey kinda stuff.

Where are the "camps"? Hmmm...seems like they would be kinda hard to hide...Step away from the tin-foil hats people...I'm sure there is a mole hill under this mountain somewhere...

The only thing I take away from this article is....Don't give money to any charity....which is a financial relief for me...lol
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Aug 28, 2008 7:06 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
Uh oh....after I clicked on this thread, I heard a noise...there is a black helicopter outside my house!!! grin
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Aug 28, 2008 7:13 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
2catchastar
2catchastar2catchastarCorning, New York USA10 Threads 830 Posts
HondoLaneNJ: Wow...well...considering the source, the San Fran news rag, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Sounds like World Net Dailey kinda stuff.

Where are the "camps"? Hmmm...seems like they would be kinda hard to hide...Step away from the tin-foil hats people...I'm sure there is a mole hill under this mountain somewhere...

The only thing I take away from this article is....Don't give money to any charity....which is a financial relief for me...lol



Well I know of a few one of them is....Michigan military reservation
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Aug 28, 2008 7:18 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
2catchastar
2catchastar2catchastarCorning, New York USA10 Threads 830 Posts
That day has come with the Military Commissions Act of 2006. It provides the basis for the President to round-up both aliens and U.S. citizens he determines have given material support to terrorists. Kellogg Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Cheney's Halliburton, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of undesirables.
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Aug 28, 2008 7:19 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
This country is by the people,for the people.So if need come,just as the settlers dumped the english ships teaover the side to say we're no taking it anymore,then we may needto do the same.Who will our leaders be?
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Aug 28, 2008 7:33 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
2catchastar
2catchastar2catchastarCorning, New York USA10 Threads 830 Posts
If you would like a list of just where there are prison camps and potential camps are planed here is a list I have researched. Just for information as to location not saying what I beleive they will be used for.

ALABAMA.... Opelika - WWII German/Italian camp - may be renovated. Aliceville - WWII German POW camp - capacity 15,000 Ft. McClellan (Anniston) - Opposite side of town from Army Depot; Maxwell AFB (Montgomery) - Civilian prison camp established under Operation Garden Plot, currently operating with support staff and small inmate population. Talladega - Federal prison "satellite" camp.
ALASKA ....Elmendorf AFB - Northeast area of Anchorage - far end of base. Garden Plot facility. Eielson AFB - Southeast of Fairbanks. Operation Garden Plot facility. Ft. Wainwright - East of Fairbanks
ARIZONA....Yuma County - Colorado River - Site of former Japanese detention camp (near proving grounds). This site was completely removed in 1990 according to some reports. WWII prison camp NOW RENOVATED, OPERATIONAL with staff & 400 prisoners, operational capacity of 3,500. Davis-Monthan AFB (Tucson) - Fully staffed and presently holding prisoners!!
ARKANSAS....Ft. Chaffee (near Fort Smith, Arkansas) - Has new runway for aircraft, new camp facility with cap of 40,000 prisoners Pine Bluff Arsenal - This location also is the repository for B-Z nerve agent, which causes sleepiness, dizziness, stupor; admitted use is for civilian control. WWII Japanese camps Blythville AFB - Closed airbase now being used as camp.New wooden barracks have been constructed at this location. Classic decorations - guard towers, barbed wire, high fences. Berryville. FEMA facility located east of Eureka Springs off Hwy. 62. Omaha - Northeast of Berryville near Missouri state line, on Hwy 65 south of old wood processing plant. Located on or near toxic waste dump. FEMA facility.
CALIFORNIA ....Norton AFB - (closed base) now staffed with UN according to some sources. New camps being built on "back 40". Oakdale - Rex 84 camp capable of holding at least 20,000 people. 90 mi. East of San Francisco. Terminal Island - (Long Beach) located next to naval shipyards operated by ChiCom shipping interests. McClellan AFB - facility equipped for 30,000 - 35,000
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Aug 28, 2008 7:38 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
Is anybody paying attention!!!!

Who gave the president these rights???

the majority still insists the president should be held accountable.

Not to divert any responsibility from our current commander-in-chief, but seriously that boy was kicked in the head at a very young age and has not been right since. which explains why his daddy keeps him in the family business.

Please get a clue the powers the president has acquired came from those yokels(never our fault) Legislative branch. you want change place a tent over congress and the white house and begin the fumigating process.
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Aug 28, 2008 7:42 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
2catchastar
2catchastar2catchastarCorning, New York USA10 Threads 830 Posts
COLORADO....Trinidad - WWII German/Italian camp being renovated. Granada - Prowers County - WWII Japanese internment camp Ft. Carson - Along route 115 near Canon City

FLORIDA....Camp Krome - DoJ detention/interrogation center, Rex 84 facility Eglin AFB - This base is over 30 miles long, from Pensacola to Hwy 331 in De Funiak Springs. High capacity facility, presently manned and populated with some prisoners.

GEORGIA ....Ft. Benning - Located east of Columbus near Alabama state line. Rex 84 site - Prisoners brought in via Lawson Army airfield. Ft. Mc Pherson - US Force Command - Multiple reports that this will be the national headquarters and coordinating center for foreign/UN troop movement and detainee collection. Ft. Gordon - West of Augusta - No information at this time. Unadilla - Dooly County - Manned, staffed FEMA prison on route 230, no prisoners. Oglethorpe - Macon County; facility is located five miles from Montezuma, three miles from Oglethorpe. This FEMA prison has no staff and no prisoners. Morgan - Calhoun County, FEMA facility is fully manned & staffed - no prisoners. Camilla - Mitchell County, south of Albany. This FEMA facility is located on Mt. Zion Rd approximately 5.7 miles south of Camilla. Unmanned - no prisoners, no staff. Hawkinsville - Wilcox County; Five miles east of town, fully manned and staffed but no prisoners. Located on fire road 100/Upper River Road Abbeville - South of Hawkinsville on US route 129; south of town off route 280 near Ocmulgee River. FEMA facility is staffed but without prisoners. McRae - Telfair County - 1.5 miles west of McRae on Hwy 134 (8th St). Facility is on Irwinton Avenue off 8th St., manned & staffed - no prisoners. Fort Gillem - South side of Atlanta - FEMA designated detention facility. Fort Stewart - Savannah area - FEMA designated detention facility

ILLINOIS ....Marseilles - Located on the Illinois River off Interstate 80 on Hwy 6. It is a relatively small facility with a cap of 1400 prisoners. Though it is small it is designed like other concentration camp facilities high fences topped with barbed wire and guard towers. Being located on the Illinois River it is possible that prisoners will be brought in by water as well as by road and air. This facility is approximately 75 miles west of Chicago. National Guard training area nearby. Pekin - This Federal satellite prison camp is also on the Illinois River, just south of Peoria. It supplements the federal penitentiary in Marion, which is equipped to handle additional population outside on the grounds. Chanute AFB - Rantoul, near Champaign/Urbana - This closed base had WWII - era barracks that were condemned and torn down, but the medical facility was upgraded and additional fencing put up in the area. This base was closed on the recommendation of former Soviet premier Mikhail Gorbachev, but not sold, which makes this location a likely camp. Air Force personnel still maintain and occasionally use the airstrip, which is capable of handling large cargo planes like C-130's. Marion - Federal Penitentiary and satellite prison camp inside Crab Orchard Nat'l Wildlife Refuge. Manned, staffed, populated fully. Greenfield - Two federal correctional "satellite prison camps" serving Marion - populated as above. Shawnee National Forest - Pope County - This area has seen heavy traffic of foreign military equipment and troops via Illinois Central Railroad, which runs through the area. Suspected location is unknown, but may be close to Vienna and Shawnee correctional centers, located 6 mi. west of Dixon Springs. Savanna Army Depot - NW area of state on Mississippi River. Lincoln, Sheridan, Menard, Pontiac, Galesburg - State prison facilities equipped for major expansion and close or adjacent to highways & railroad tracks. Kankakee - west side of town - abandoned industrial area designated as FEMA detention facility.
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Aug 28, 2008 7:43 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
2catchastar
2catchastar2catchastarCorning, New York USA10 Threads 830 Posts
INDIANA....Indianapolis / Marion County - Amtrak railcar repair facility (closed); controversial site of a major alleged detention / processing center. Although some sources state that this site is a "red herring", photographic and video evidence suggests otherwise. This large facility contains large 3-4 inch gas mains to large furnaces (crematoria??), helicopter landing pads, railheads for prisoners, Red/Blue/Green zones for classifying/processing incoming personnel, one-way turnstiles, barracks, towers, high fences with razor wire, etc. Personnel with government clearance who are friendly to the patriot movement took a guided tour of the facility to confirm this site. This site is located next to a closed refrigeration plant facility. Ft. Benjamin Harrison - Located in the northeast part of Indianapolis, this facility has had numerous personnel reductions. Portions of the facility are ideally converted to hold detainees. Helicopter facilities exist on-base for prisoners to be brought in by air, land & rail. Crown Point - Across street from county jail, former hospital. One wing presently being used for county work-release program, 80% of facility still unused. Possible FEMA detention center or holding facility. Camp Atterbury - Closed facility is being converted to hold prisoners of the New World Order. Located just west of Interstate 65 near Edinburg, south of Indianapolis. Terre Haute - Federal Correctional Institution, Satellite prison camp and death facility. Equipped with crematoria reported to have a capacity of 3,000 people a day. FEMA detention facility located here. Fort Wayne - This city located in Northeast Indiana has a FEMA detention facility, accessible by air, road and nearby rail. Kingsbury - This "closed" military base is adjacent to a state fish & wildlife preserve. Part of the base is converted to an industrial park, but the southern portion of this property is still used by the military. It is bordered on the south by railroad, and is staffed with some foreign-speaking UN troops. A local police officer who was hunting and camping close to the base in the game preserve was accosted, roughed up, and warned by the English-speaking unit commander to stay away from the area. It was suggested to the officer that the welfare of his family would depend on his "silence". Located just southeast of LaPorte. Jasper-Pulaski Wildlife Area - Youth Corrections farm located here. Facility is "closed", but is still staffed and being "renovated". Total capacity unknown. Grissom AFB - This closed airbase still handles a lot of traffic, and has a "state-owned" prison compound on the southern part of the facility. UNICOR. Jefferson Proving Grounds - Southern Indiana - This facility is an active base with test firing occuring daily. Portions of the base have been opened to create an industrial park, but other areas are still highly restricted. A camp is believed to be located "downrange". Facility is equipped with an airfield and has a nearby rail line. Newport - Army Depot - VX nerve gas storage facility. Secret meetings were held here in 1998 regarding the addition of the Kankakee River watershed to the Heritage Rivers Initiative.
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HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
nomindgames: This country is by the people,for the people.So if need come,just as the settlers dumped the english ships teaover the side to say we're no taking it anymore,then we may needto do the same.Who will our leaders be?



applause RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!cheering


That's absolutely why I am leaving tonight for Minnesota for the launching of Campain For Liberty! Will update you when I return!
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2catchastar
2catchastar2catchastarCorning, New York USA10 Threads 830 Posts
KANSAS....McConnell Air Force Base. Federal death penalty facility. Concordia - WWII German POW camp used to exist at this location but there is no facility there at this time. Ft. Riley - Just north of Interstate 70, airport, near city of Manhattan. El Dorado - Federal prison converted into forced-labor camp, UNICOR industries. Topeka - 80 acres has been converted into a temporary holding camp.

KENTUCKY....FEMA detention facility, located near restricted area US naval ordnance plant. Military airfield located at facility, which is on south side of city. Lexington - FEMA detention facility, National Guard base with adjacent airport facility. Dan Boone National Forest. Ft. Knox - Detention center, possibly located near Salt River, in restricted area of base. Local patriots advise that black Special Forces & UN gray helicopters are occasionally seen in area. Land Between the Lakes - This area was declared a UN biosphere and is an ideal geographic location for detention facilities. Area is an isthmus extending out from Tennessee, between Lake Barkley on the east and Kentucky Lake on the west. Just scant miles from Fort Campbell in Tennessee.

LOUISIANA ....Ft. Polk - This is a main base for UN troops & personnel, and a training center for the disarmament of America. Livingston - WWII German/Italian internment camp being renovated?; halfway between Baton Rouge and Hammond, several miles north of Interstate 12. Oakdale - Located on US route 165 about 50 miles south of Alexandria; two federal detention centers just southeast of Fort Polk.

MARYLAND....
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Aug 28, 2008 7:50 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
2catchastar
2catchastar2catchastarCorning, New York USA10 Threads 830 Posts
MARYLAND, and DC ....Ft. Meade - Halfway between the District of Criminals and Baltimore. Data needed. Ft. Detrick - Biological warfare center for the NWO, located in Frederick.

MASSACHUSETTS ....Camp Edwards / Otis AFB - Cape Cod - This "inactive" base is being converted to hold many New Englander patriots. Capacity unknown.

MICHIGAN....
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Aug 28, 2008 7:53 AM CST Rule By Fear Or Rule By Law
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
fireliter: Is anybody paying attention!!!!

Who gave the president these rights???

the majority still insists the president should be held accountable.

Not to divert any responsibility from our current commander-in-chief, but seriously that boy was kicked in the head at a very young age and has not been right since. which explains why his daddy keeps him in the family business.

Please get a clue the powers the president has acquired came from those yokels(never our fault) Legislative branch. you want change place a tent over congress and the white house and begin the fumigating process.



thumbs up No Argument here!
You are absolutely right firelighter!

Those yokels have not been voting and representing we the people!
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2catchastar
2catchastar2catchastarCorning, New York USA10 Threads 830 Posts
MICHIGAN....Camp Grayling - Michigan Nat'l Guard base has several confirmed detention camps, classic setup with high fences, razor wire, etc. Guard towers are very well-built, sturdy. Multiple compounds within larger enclosures. Facility deep within forest area. Sawyer AFB - Upper Peninsula - south of Marquette - No data available. Bay City - Classic enclosure with guard towers, high fence, and close to shipping port on Saginaw Bay, which connects to Lake Huron. Could be a deportation point to overseas via St. Lawrence Seaway. Southwest - possibly Berrien County - FEMA detention center. Lansing - FEMA detention facility.


MISSOURI ....Richards-Gebaur AFB - located in Grandview, near K.C.MO. A very large internment facility has been built on this base, and all base personnel are restricted from coming near it. Ft. Leonard Wood - Situated in the middle of Mark Twain National Forest in Pulaski County. This site has been known for some UN training, also home to the US Army Urban Warfare Training school "Stem Village". Warsaw - Unconfirmed report of a large concentration camp facility.

NEBRASKA....
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