Why I do not like faith (a thread for atheists /agnostics to share their views in a peaceful settin (101)
trish123: Religion has always been a weapon - its the ultimate tool of people control - I find it totally curious that there have been no recent miracles too - is this mabe because of the recent advancements in science I wonder
Religions are only ever effective when brought into play against primitive uneducated peoples as was the case when Constantine and the first council of Nicea ordered the first bibles to be written
Yeah, Henry had it sussed for sure
So in affect religion is much maligned!Religions are only ever effective when brought into play against primitive uneducated peoples as was the case when Constantine and the first council of Nicea ordered the first bibles to be written
Yeah, Henry had it sussed for sure
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I have self peace that I find through meditation , and I believe in spirits as I have seen them..
I guess I am one of those seeing is believing people
I guess I am one of those seeing is believing people
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StressFree: I find your lack of faith disturbing...lol
Many people feel that in the contemplation of nature and in communication with other living things, they become aware of some kind of force, or something, behind this apparent mask which we see in front of us...
The Force is an energy field created by all living things, that surrounds and penetrates living beings and binds the galaxy together...
I sense a great disturbance in the Force...
The Force is strong in me...
The Force has a "dark side", which feeds off emotions such as anger and fear...
Compassionate and selfless use of the Force has come to be known by inference as "the light side"...
May the Force be with you:
Star Wars WHAT!!! I got my light saber out, who wants some. Prepare to meet you unfortunate destiny
Many people feel that in the contemplation of nature and in communication with other living things, they become aware of some kind of force, or something, behind this apparent mask which we see in front of us...
The Force is an energy field created by all living things, that surrounds and penetrates living beings and binds the galaxy together...
I sense a great disturbance in the Force...
The Force is strong in me...
The Force has a "dark side", which feeds off emotions such as anger and fear...
Compassionate and selfless use of the Force has come to be known by inference as "the light side"...
May the Force be with you:
Star Wars WHAT!!! I got my light saber out, who wants some. Prepare to meet you unfortunate destiny
I bet your kids have been on a Star Wars kick lol. Or is this your theme for the day in the forums. Very funny.
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livinglarge: So in affect religion is much maligned!
I think, wholeheartedly, that its caused much more trouble than it has ever attracted
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trish123: Religion has always been a weapon - its the ultimate tool of people control - I find it totally curious that there have been no recent miracles too - is this mabe because of the recent advancements in science I wonder
Religions are only ever effective when brought into play against primitive uneducated peoples as was the case when Constantine and the first council of Nicea ordered the first bibles to be written
Yeah, Henry had it sussed for sure
Religions are only ever effective when brought into play against primitive uneducated peoples as was the case when Constantine and the first council of Nicea ordered the first bibles to be written
Yeah, Henry had it sussed for sure
Hiya Trish!!! I totally agree with you here ... I was brought up catholic ... I DO NOT believe in religion ... I do owever believe in a higher vibration divine energy that I feel anyone can tap into and benefit from ... I have no idea what it is called ... Sometimes I call it God sometimes I call it Divine Source ... It's name matters little to me ...
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trish123: hahaha, lovely piccie
The force is strong in me too - I just dont call it God..........
The force is strong in me too - I just dont call it God..........
I know Trish....
Dawn7z: I bet your kids have been on a Star Wars kick lol. Or is this your theme for the day in the forums. Very funny.
While potential for force-sensitivity is established at birth, awareness, experience and training are necessary to harness the power of the force. Yoda implies that this training is most effective in childhood.
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trish123: I think, wholeheartedly, that its caused much more trouble than it has ever attracted
Yes Trish you are 100% right , but I think it has been used for mans (humans) own ends , which to me is soo corrupt and disgraceful!!
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StressFree: I know Trish....
While potential for force-sensitivity is established at birth, awareness, experience and training are necessary to harness the power of the force. Yoda implies that this training is most effective in childhood.
While potential for force-sensitivity is established at birth, awareness, experience and training are necessary to harness the power of the force. Yoda implies that this training is most effective in childhood.
Thanks for the lesson of great juan ka nobee.
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FlowerOfTheSun: Hiya Trish!!! I totally agree with you here ... I was brought up catholic ... I DO NOT believe in religion ...
I do owever believe in a higher vibration divine energy that I feel anyone can tap into and benefit from ... I have no idea what it is called ... Sometimes I call it God sometimes I call it Divine Source ... It's name matters little to me ...
I do owever believe in a higher vibration divine energy that I feel anyone can tap into and benefit from ... I have no idea what it is called ... Sometimes I call it God sometimes I call it Divine Source ... It's name matters little to me ...
Im with you Flower, there is definitely a higher vibration but it is distinctly different from God - its name does seem to matter to me though, simply because the Bible appalls me so........ the higher energies which vibrate us could never be capable of the crass inhumanity which that book displays..........
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trish123: Im with you Flower, there is definitely a higher vibration but it is distinctly different from God - its name does seem to matter to me though, simply because the Bible appalls me so........ the higher energies which vibrate us could never be capable of the crass inhumanity which that book displays..........
The bible as we know it only has in it "the bits" that were "approved" by the "powers that be" at the time ... I can't remember how the gospels according to St Luke, St Thomas, St Paul and St John (I think that's their names) fit in into the Bible story but there have been ancient scrolls discovered a few years ago that prove that those 4 were not the only gospels written. As far as I'm concerned, the bible as we know is a put together of "bits" with too many "out of context and left out bits". Probably why there are so many contradictions in it.
I don't take the bible or any other christian religious writings as the word of God or a representation of the words of God. They are only the words that some blokes (there weren't ever any women involved in those publications) chose to make public and use for the purpose of power.
So in my mind God doesn't equal bible ...
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trish123: I find it totally curious that there have been no recent miracles too - is this mabe because of the recent advancements in science I wonder
All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. - Matthew Arnold
trish123: Religions are only ever effective when brought into play against primitive uneducated peoples
Unfortunately that is not true Trish just look at the background of the 9/11 hijackers
trish123: Yeah, Henry had it sussed for sure
It was Napoleon that said “Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet”
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crotalus_p: All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. - Matthew Arnold
Unfortunately that is not true Trish just look at the background of the 9/11 hijackersIt was Napoleon that said
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet”
Unfortunately that is not true Trish just look at the background of the 9/11 hijackersIt was Napoleon that said
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet”
Crotalus, surely you mean the background of the "alleged" 9/11 hijackers
Also you'll find that Trish was referring to Hanry VIII who invented the Protestant religion because to be able to divorce is wife(s)which Catholicism would not let him do, after he grown bored with having them decapitated
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FlowerOfTheSun:
Hanry VIII who invented the Protestant religion because to be able to divorce is wife(s)which Catholicism would not let him do, after he grown bored with having them decapitated
Hanry VIII who invented the Protestant religion because to be able to divorce is wife(s)which Catholicism would not let him do, after he grown bored with having them decapitated
I am aware of that
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crotalus_p: All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. - Matthew Arnold
Unfortunately that is not true Trish just look at the background of the 9/11 hijackersIt was Napoleon that said
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet”
Unfortunately that is not true Trish just look at the background of the 9/11 hijackersIt was Napoleon that said
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet”
Ive only got a second here as I have guests - The background of the 9/11 stuff is that Muslims actually believe the Jesus stuff out of the Bible...........
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crotalus_p: I am aware of that altho it was not because he was bored , it was because his king maker kept making queens
What? It's not because he was bored? Drat!!! Now I have to go do some research!!! Now, before I use my time doing that Crotalus ... can you quote your sourcce???
And have you looked into the veracity of it? And are you absolutely positive that inventing Protestanism would make a difference to his "king maker" making queens? Wow!!! Tthe man must have had faith!!! 
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trish123: I copied these from the village Atheist site - they should give us something to be going on with........
1. I see absolutely ......
In answer to this I see no evidence to suggest G-D does not exist only theories. Science or the mojority of it are theories. If G-D does not exist then where do we come from and if you say big bang where did the first bit of matter come from? Science on the contrary does prove the existence of G-D.
2. On the contrary.....
The World is full of cruelty because of man not G-D. The Old Testament clearly explain why HE allows this to happen. We only see things that are mind can comprehend and no the bigger picture.
3. I am unwilling to accept on blind faith .....
The Gospels are a fictitious writing and that is where the error lies. The Torah is flawless.
4. The Bible is meant to....
Again NT is ficititous and yes the G-D of the NT is not the same G-D as that of the OT. The G-d of the NT is a man and not a G-D.
G-d is not how you have portrayed HIM to be. Look at Exodus 34:5-7, and you will see his attributes.
These same people try to overlook....
Yes they do, change things to suit their own nefarious purposes. G-D is unchanging and does not need to introduce other religions or make additions to his intrinsic word.
5. Even if it were all true, the Bible describes a God and a morality that I don't want anything to do with.
1. I see absolutely ......
In answer to this I see no evidence to suggest G-D does not exist only theories. Science or the mojority of it are theories. If G-D does not exist then where do we come from and if you say big bang where did the first bit of matter come from? Science on the contrary does prove the existence of G-D.
2. On the contrary.....
The World is full of cruelty because of man not G-D. The Old Testament clearly explain why HE allows this to happen. We only see things that are mind can comprehend and no the bigger picture.
3. I am unwilling to accept on blind faith .....
The Gospels are a fictitious writing and that is where the error lies. The Torah is flawless.
4. The Bible is meant to....
Again NT is ficititous and yes the G-D of the NT is not the same G-D as that of the OT. The G-d of the NT is a man and not a G-D.
G-d is not how you have portrayed HIM to be. Look at Exodus 34:5-7, and you will see his attributes.
These same people try to overlook....
Yes they do, change things to suit their own nefarious purposes. G-D is unchanging and does not need to introduce other religions or make additions to his intrinsic word.
5. Even if it were all true, the Bible describes a God and a morality that I don't want anything to do with.
Which bible are you referring to?
If G-D did not exist then I think we would have destroyed ourselves long ago. Do you believe that the World exist without any morals, order or higher intervention?
If your so smart then prove G-D does not exist and also where we came from. Remember nothing has ever been created or invented it was all already there and we just discovered how to use it.
Sorry to butt in to your atheist thread. You have your belief and I have mine and I am not having a go at you all but just your theories and I suppose if you did not want criticism you would not have posted.
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hamanim: Which bible are you referring to?
If G-D did not exist then I think we would have destroyed ourselves long ago. Do you believe that the World exist without any morals, order or higher intervention?
If your so smart then prove G-D does not exist and also where we came from. Remember nothing has ever been created or invented it was all already there and we just discovered how to use it.
Sorry to butt in to your atheist thread. You have your belief and I have mine and I am not having a go at you all but just your theories and I suppose if you did not want criticism you would not have posted.
If G-D did not exist then I think we would have destroyed ourselves long ago. Do you believe that the World exist without any morals, order or higher intervention?
If your so smart then prove G-D does not exist and also where we came from. Remember nothing has ever been created or invented it was all already there and we just discovered how to use it.
Sorry to butt in to your atheist thread. You have your belief and I have mine and I am not having a go at you all but just your theories and I suppose if you did not want criticism you would not have posted.
Hi Hmanim!!! there's another thread calledWhy I Like Faith (a thread for believers to share their views in a peaceful setting)
it's on page 2 of the forums ...
Both threads were created to allow people to share their beliefs/views with like minded ...
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well, How does this thread feel about Zen Atheism?
does it work for you crotalus_p? or you Trish? when you are back that is.
does it work for you crotalus_p? or you Trish? when you are back that is.
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Many people feel that in the contemplation of nature and in communication with other living things, they become aware of some kind of force, or something, behind this apparent mask which we see in front of us...
The Force is an energy field created by all living things, that surrounds and penetrates living beings and binds the galaxy together...
I sense a great disturbance in the Force...
The Force is strong in me...
The Force has a "dark side", which feeds off emotions such as anger and fear...
Compassionate and selfless use of the Force has come to be known by inference as "the light side"...
May the Force be with you:
Star Wars WHAT!!! I got my light saber out, who wants some. Prepare to meet you unfortunate destiny
hahaha, lovely piccie
The force is strong in me too - I just dont call it God..........