Why I do not like faith (a thread for atheists /agnostics to share their views in a peaceful settin (101)
LACaliSouthern California, California USA3 Threads 936 PostsTamarory: agh, i dont bother with any religion... i couldnt be arsed worrying about why is it that god loves us so much then why do we feel pain, or why is there wars, or what happens when you die and whatnot.. i live to look out for myself and friends... selfish maybe, but thats just me i suppose.. i dont really care if i get reincarnted as a ant when i die or if i just die.. just live for now goddammit!
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crotalus_p: "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence."
So I guess your faith in ever becoming a human being is non-existant
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hamanim: Yes people do have morals but if it were not for faith what directions would our morals lead us in? .
You do not get you morals from your faith in the ot, you may like to think so but you do not otherwise you would be stoning people left right and centre, what you do is pick and chose out of the bible what matches your own moral values and you ignore the rest
hamanim: Who would decide if killing is wrong or right etc etc? ..
Certain morals are hardwired into our brains hamanim: An athiest is someone who will never be convinced...
No an atheist is someone who does not believe in a deity because there is no evidence , if you cn present proper evidence then do so
hamanim: It is not up to me to prove anything ...
If you are the one that is proposing there is a deity then yes it is up to you
hamanim: Darwins theory was wrong and that is a fact. It was actually bones from a pig, look it up. Secondly there is no concrete evidence to evolution it is thoery and whats more the scientist agree with this....
You are either misinformed or making it up as you go along Evolution is a scientific theory not a layman’s theory there is a big difference you will be hard pushed to find a creatable biologist that disagrees with evolution at this stage 98% of the evidence has been found there is no missing link the theory of evolution is fact
hamanim: If the earth were as old as theory suggest then it would have a cooled core by now. .
I am courious as to what you base this on??
hamanim: Why have comets not wiped us out etc..
Pure luck
hamanim: What holds the Solar Systems together? ..
In what sense are you talking about ?? If your talking about the solar system as a hole then noting It is constantly expanding
hamanim: Where did big bang come from? ..
There are a number of possibilities non of which involve a deity
hamanim: Does this not suggest an external control?..
No it does not in fact it suggests the exact opposite
hamanim: If science were right then we may soon get engulfed by a new dimension with this new big bang but probably you wouldn't be able to gloat. These scientist sound a bit loony to me messing with stuff they do not understand its like giving a 2 year old a nuclear detonator...
They do understand it, it is you that do not which is evident from your post
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You were given the respect of your own thread,no one butting in wit scripture.Try doing the samw for Religion thread since you have none.
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Someone once told me, that the only way to prove the truth of anything, is to prove that the opposite cannot possibly be true, beyond any doubt, by the use of reason.
By that definition, neither atheists nor believers in religion have truth.
It's all a load of rubbish thinking, that feeds the mind's need to fu@k itself up.
By that definition, neither atheists nor believers in religion have truth.
It's all a load of rubbish thinking, that feeds the mind's need to fu@k itself up.
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All paths lead to God - whether it is your inclination to believe now or later matters not or what path
you choose. We are all spiritual entities. I have no desire to prove this to anyone. You are
constantly convincing yourselves.
you choose. We are all spiritual entities. I have no desire to prove this to anyone. You are
constantly convincing yourselves.
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Dusty45: All paths lead to God - whether it is your inclination to believe now or later matters not or what path
you choose. We are all spiritual entities. I have no desire to prove this to anyone. You are
constantly convincing yourselves.
you choose. We are all spiritual entities. I have no desire to prove this to anyone. You are
constantly convincing yourselves.
then what was the piont of your post ????
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crotalus_p: then what was the piont of your post ????
And, why not?
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Darkhorseman:
I hope the links point to the right place. But they can be Googled by name easily enough.
I hope the links point to the right place. But they can be Googled by name easily enough.
They can be linked threw the Richard Dawkins Foundation on you tube
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Dusty45: And, why not?
and why not what ????
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You extented an invitation to share our views. Is there a problem? I explained mine.
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Dusty45: All paths lead to God - whether it is your inclination to believe now or later matters not or what path
you choose. We are all spiritual entities. I have no desire to prove this to anyone. You are
constantly convincing yourselves.
you choose. We are all spiritual entities. I have no desire to prove this to anyone. You are
constantly convincing yourselves.
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Dusty45: You extented an invitation to share our views. Is there a problem? I explained mine.
The problem is you are not prepaired to give reasons/evidence for you stance
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crotalus_p: The problem is you are not prepaired to give reasons/evidence for you stance
I have a deep faith in G O D that is hardwired into my heart. That is reason enough for me or anyone.
(BTW is not a requisite of your thread.)
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hamanim: The OT and NT are seperate books. I believe the OT only and that was my point.
Yes people do have morals but if it were not for faith what directions would our morals lead us in? Who would decide if killing is wrong or right etc etc? Look at the sorry state the Earth is in.
You say you are an athiest yet if I proved G-D's existence you would not be. An athiest is someone who will never be convinced. It is not up to me to prove anything because whether you belive in G-D or not is not my concern, I respect whatever you believe.
You say Evolution, this comes from Darwin Theory. Darwins theory was wrong and that is a fact. It was actually bones from a pig, look it up. Secondly there is no concrete evidence to evolution it is thoery and whats more the scientist agree with this.
If the earth were as old as theory suggest then it would have a cooled core by now. Why have comets not wiped us out etc. What holds the Solar Systems together? Where did big bang come from? Astronomically speaking is man not the astronomer? Why do we exist? And why are the conditions for our existence so precise? Does this not suggest an external control?
These are all factors scientist are trying to discover. Have you been following that big bang experiment in Switzerland? They readily admit that most of there science is theories and that most of it is based on probability.
If science were right then we may soon get engulfed by a new dimension with this new big bang but probably you wouldn't be able to gloat. These scientist sound a bit loony to me messing with stuff they do not understand its like giving a 2 year old a nuclear detonator.
Anyway matey I just bring questions to keep you all on your toes as I said earlier I know what I believe and I do not need to speak on behalf of G-D.
Interesting try,understanding Quantum Mechanics through the Old Testament.Yes people do have morals but if it were not for faith what directions would our morals lead us in? Who would decide if killing is wrong or right etc etc? Look at the sorry state the Earth is in.
You say you are an athiest yet if I proved G-D's existence you would not be. An athiest is someone who will never be convinced. It is not up to me to prove anything because whether you belive in G-D or not is not my concern, I respect whatever you believe.
You say Evolution, this comes from Darwin Theory. Darwins theory was wrong and that is a fact. It was actually bones from a pig, look it up. Secondly there is no concrete evidence to evolution it is thoery and whats more the scientist agree with this.
If the earth were as old as theory suggest then it would have a cooled core by now. Why have comets not wiped us out etc. What holds the Solar Systems together? Where did big bang come from? Astronomically speaking is man not the astronomer? Why do we exist? And why are the conditions for our existence so precise? Does this not suggest an external control?
These are all factors scientist are trying to discover. Have you been following that big bang experiment in Switzerland? They readily admit that most of there science is theories and that most of it is based on probability.
If science were right then we may soon get engulfed by a new dimension with this new big bang but probably you wouldn't be able to gloat. These scientist sound a bit loony to me messing with stuff they do not understand its like giving a 2 year old a nuclear detonator.
Anyway matey I just bring questions to keep you all on your toes as I said earlier I know what I believe and I do not need to speak on behalf of G-D.
You're living in the Dark Ages my Friend,if you do not understand the Difference between a Scientific Theory and an Hypothesis.
You obviously have not followed the Experiment of CERN in Geneva.
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crotalus_p: You do not get you morals .....
Do I stone people? Actually if you understood the OT you would know that because their is no priesthood, these parts of biblical law can not be practiced. You are basing your generalistion of picking and choosing on what?How are they hardwired into our brain? Explain the exact science or biology supporting this.
No an atheist is someone who does not believe in a deity because there is no evidence , if you cn present proper evidence then do so
My point was if you see evidence you would not be an athiest so maybe you are agnostic.
If you are the one that is proposing there is a deity then yes it is up to you.
I believe there is a Diety, how do you come to the conclusion that I need to prove it? I am not asking you to believe am I?
You are either misinformed or making it up as you go along Evolution is a scientific theory not a layman’s theory there is a big difference you will be hard pushed to find a creatable biologist that disagrees with evolution at this stage 98% of the evidence has been found there is no missing link the theory of evolution is fact
Actually I am not research on Google. The discovery of the pig bones was made shortly after Darwin Theory of Evolution but the scientific World dare not disclose it. "Theory" is this and idea? Can these theories be proven as fact?
I base it on Homosapien did not evolve from ape. Ape and man exist today so how do humans evolve from ape and ape stays the same? Is carbon dating accurate? no. You can not just give theories that fit in with our understanding only. Please provide proof other than theory. I think you will find that not one bioliogist can give concrete evidence to link man with evolved ape. Every species stays as that species unless we are metamorphic.
Pure luck
What is the probability of pure luck? very slim. Luck- definition includes a "force" bringing chance.
In what sense are you talking about ?? If your talking about the solar system as a hole then noting It is constantly expanding There are a number of possibilities non of which involve a deity
No it does not in fact it suggests the exact opposite They do understand it, it is you that do not which is evident from your post
Do I stone people? Actually if you understood the OT you would know that because their is no priesthood, these parts of biblical law can not be practiced. You are basing your generalistion of picking and choosing on what?How are they hardwired into our brain? Explain the exact science or biology supporting this.
No an atheist is someone who does not believe in a deity because there is no evidence , if you cn present proper evidence then do so
My point was if you see evidence you would not be an athiest so maybe you are agnostic.
If you are the one that is proposing there is a deity then yes it is up to you.
I believe there is a Diety, how do you come to the conclusion that I need to prove it? I am not asking you to believe am I?
You are either misinformed or making it up as you go along Evolution is a scientific theory not a layman’s theory there is a big difference you will be hard pushed to find a creatable biologist that disagrees with evolution at this stage 98% of the evidence has been found there is no missing link the theory of evolution is fact
Actually I am not research on Google. The discovery of the pig bones was made shortly after Darwin Theory of Evolution but the scientific World dare not disclose it. "Theory" is this and idea? Can these theories be proven as fact?
I base it on Homosapien did not evolve from ape. Ape and man exist today so how do humans evolve from ape and ape stays the same? Is carbon dating accurate? no. You can not just give theories that fit in with our understanding only. Please provide proof other than theory. I think you will find that not one bioliogist can give concrete evidence to link man with evolved ape. Every species stays as that species unless we are metamorphic.
Pure luck
What is the probability of pure luck? very slim. Luck- definition includes a "force" bringing chance.
In what sense are you talking about ?? If your talking about the solar system as a hole then noting It is constantly expanding There are a number of possibilities non of which involve a deity
No it does not in fact it suggests the exact opposite They do understand it, it is you that do not which is evident from your post
Hole! do you mean Whole? Actually one of the reasons they are doing the big bang experiment is to find out what force holds the Solar Systems together. Explain how you know this force does not involve a diety, I am sure if you know something the scientist do not they would be happy to know Professor.
I think you will find that I understand what their theories are trying to imply. I think you might find that if you have been paying attention you will know that they actually do not understand and the majority of their work is theory and not proven. Again do a google search.
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livinglarge: Yes true , however , that is the way human beings have treated each other for eons , sad but true . Is the Bible a reflection of mans views rather than Gods ? Some say the Bible has been hijacked , me I don't know , but my belief is that all wars have been started over consumerism , in that I mean there has always been thing that other want and will fight to get it , whether its oil a piece of land etc, consumerism is a man made contruct , remember and not, IMO , a design of the creater .
Who designed those "consumers"??
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Dawn7z: Thanks for the lesson of great juan ka nobee.
*Don* Juan Kanobee?
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Dusty45: All paths lead to God - whether it is your inclination to believe now or later matters not or what path
you choose. We are all spiritual entities. I have no desire to prove this to anyone. You are
constantly convincing yourselves.
you choose. We are all spiritual entities. I have no desire to prove this to anyone. You are
constantly convincing yourselves.
well stated
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hamanim: Again do a google search.
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