Capitalism, it's agressive form (Imperialism) and the economic crisis (40)
LaconianPatras, Peloponnese Greece2 Threads 48 PostsMuch has been said about the financial crisis and much will be said. Even some non socialists believe that capitalism is at it's end. It has been tested, tested again, reached the level of agressive imperialism and proved to be totally useless (after causing numerous wars and deaths). Some say that crisis such as the one we are facing is inherent to the capitalistic system. Should people start to consider another economic system to replace the brutal capitalistic system?
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Current economic theory is based on the concept of scarcity, which is becoming obselete as our technology advances more and more...
Capitalism is holding us back from the Economy of Abundance, because in the new paradigm, everybody is a have, and have-nots will cease to exist. Nobody gets to feel superior to anyone else because of their material status...think that sets well with the current elite...?
NOT!
So all tech that leads to the economy of abundance is brutally crushed if possible, marginalized if not, and ranked as psuedo-science. Welcome to the new age of Imperial disinformation.
Capitalism is holding us back from the Economy of Abundance, because in the new paradigm, everybody is a have, and have-nots will cease to exist. Nobody gets to feel superior to anyone else because of their material status...think that sets well with the current elite...?
NOT!
So all tech that leads to the economy of abundance is brutally crushed if possible, marginalized if not, and ranked as psuedo-science. Welcome to the new age of Imperial disinformation.
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Laconian: Much has been said about the financial crisis and much will be said. Even some non socialists believe that capitalism is at it's end. It has been tested, tested again, reached the level of agressive imperialism and proved to be totally useless (after causing numerous wars and deaths). Some say that crisis such as the one we are facing is inherent to the capitalistic system. Should people start to consider another economic system to replace the brutal capitalistic system?
any answers?? you raised the question!!
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Laconian: Much has been said about the financial crisis and much will be said. Even some non socialists believe that capitalism is at it's end. It has been tested, tested again, reached the level of agressive imperialism and proved to be totally useless (after causing numerous wars and deaths). Some say that crisis such as the one we are facing is inherent to the capitalistic system. Should people start to consider another economic system to replace the brutal capitalistic system?
Capitalism as we know in US is simply reverberation/mirror type of reflection on communism in China and ex pro Sovietic doctrinas which are unfortunatelly still very much alive in those states. Infact, these elite communist structures have contributed enormously to further destabilisation in those parts of the world exercising thyrany over own population while exclaiming that it is all capitalism's fold....pointing at America and other countries.
As the two systems compare hand in hand in enormous rivalry for one prevailing over another certain limits/guidelanes are established between the two as well(Soviet side and American have established new economic trities upon termination of cold war era). Many contracts entering extremelly specific areas of economies and politics for the first time in human history as well(therefore today's crises in capitalistic world are of competition nature from the past while heavily having to have to deal as well with end of inter world's trading renesance). USA entered those agreements due to extremelly high yield(profitability only). Is there end !??? Well, ask United States of America congress how much are they ready to give up on being world's superpower...the answer is ulimetaly yes
...meaning it will be over before you know. Other side would tell you prety much the same(nobody is willing to give up from its prestigious prominence as per world's superpovers. , But at this point enormous diplomatic/political battle is going on inside of those states where communism threatens to officially return back(elite communist groups/societies in ex-Soviet states have never ever changed on he first place. This instability threatens entire world even that quite opposite appears at first sight.
Further guides are concerning depresion limits of tolerable for broad population on each side and this is where human right issues come to play...QUESTION OF TO BE OR NOT TO BE(PROFITERING) IN TODAY'S WORLD IS WHO CAN BASH/COMPELL HIS NATION MORE...THUS LEAVING BEHIND NOTHING BUT INVISIBLE TRACES OF PAST FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DESTROYED(on both sides)...This merceless option leaving not only states, but entire political systems compiting with one another.
As much as manipulated guys like yourself would like to see communism coming back, it is fact that this form of psychology(this is in what I break political systems as well beside other factors) approach toward humans is unacceptable and it should no longer be tolerated further anywhere in the world specially in what is almost year 2009.
There are many other factors and interests playing in the game...this is just little tip of iceberg.
To learn more on this quiet phenomenas of today's world...you should search for book written by author Avsec Bostjan
Title:
2008, BETWEEN LIFE AND TRUTH; IT 'S A FREE WORLD...
by Avsec Bostjan
Book will be published probably already before new year or the latest in the begining of year 2009. Thank you
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Ohhh and Bostjan stands short for Bastian, Sebastos or SebastianTake care Greece
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Laconian: Much has been said about the financial crisis and much will be said. Even some non socialists believe that capitalism is at it's end. It has been tested, tested again, reached the level of agressive imperialism and proved to be totally useless (after causing numerous wars and deaths). Some say that crisis such as the one we are facing is inherent to the capitalistic system. Should people start to consider another economic system to replace the brutal capitalistic system?
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I would rather be able to think for myself than to have someone do all the thinking for me. If capitalism does one thing well for our world society, it is that it keeps the world from overpopulating. I beleive in survival of the fittest.
Anyway, who says there is a financial crisis? The world i live in is rosey and very sunny. Y'all need to get your own houses in order before y'all start changing mine.
Zee
Anyway, who says there is a financial crisis? The world i live in is rosey and very sunny. Y'all need to get your own houses in order before y'all start changing mine.
Zee
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The problem is not the system but people! People will take any and all things anD corrupt it.
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I just want to see the rich taxed heavily.
The rich are anyone who makes $1.00 more a year than me.
The rich are anyone who makes $1.00 more a year than me.
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Laconian: Much has been said about the financial crisis and much will be said. Even some non socialists believe that capitalism is at it's end. It has been tested, tested again, reached the level of agressive imperialism and proved to be totally useless (after causing numerous wars and deaths). Some say that crisis such as the one we are facing is inherent to the capitalistic system. Should people start to consider another economic system to replace the brutal capitalistic system?
Capitalism has been dead for ages! What we have been living under is Cleptocracy. In order for capitalism to have survived it should have long since plugged the holes that its life blood was leaking from.
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Conrad73: You need to go and study capitalism,not Mixed Systems,then talk again!
Well i don't have time to study the economics of capitalism. But even people who were studying capitalism as part of their studies would not forsee the economic crisis. All those golden boys that lost their jobs were not ignorant people. They were very aware of the ways the economic system works but they have failed to take measures to prevent the breakdown.
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bushbun: Capitalism as we know in US is simply reverberation/mirror type of reflection on communism in China and ex pro Sovietic doctrinas which are unfortunatelly still very much alive in those states. Infact, these elite communist structures have contributed enormously to further destabilisation in those parts of the world exercising thyrany over own population while exclaiming that it is all capitalism's fold....pointing at America and other countries.
As the two systems compare hand in hand in enormous rivalry for one prevailing over another certain limits/guidelanes are established between the two as well(Soviet side and American have established new economic trities upon termination of cold war era). Many contracts entering extremelly specific areas of economies and politics for the first time in human history as well(therefore today's crises in capitalistic world are of competition nature from the past while heavily having to have to deal as well with end of inter world's trading renesance). USA entered those agreements due to extremelly high yield(profitability only). Is there end !??? Well, ask United States of America congress how much are they ready to give up on being world's superpower...the answer is ulimetaly yes ...meaning it will be over before you know.
Other side would tell you prety much the same(nobody is willing to give up from its prestigious prominence as per world's superpovers. , But at this point enormous diplomatic/political battle is going on inside of those states where communism threatens to officially return back(elite communist groups/societies in ex-Soviet states have never ever changed on he first place. This instability threatens entire world even that quite opposite appears at first sight.
Further guides are concerning depresion limits of tolerable for broad population on each side and this is where human right issues come to play...QUESTION OF TO BE OR NOT TO BE(PROFITERING) IN TODAY'S WORLD IS WHO CAN BASH/COMPELL HIS NATION MORE...THUS LEAVING BEHIND NOTHING BUT INVISIBLE TRACES OF PAST FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DESTROYED(on both sides)...This merceless option leaving not only states, but entire political systems compiting with one another.
As much as manipulated guys like yourself would like to see communism coming back, it is fact that this form of psychology(this is in what I break political systems as well beside other factors) approach toward humans is unacceptable and it should no longer be tolerated further anywhere in the world specially in what is almost year 2009.
There are many other factors and interests playing in the game...this is just little tip of iceberg.
To learn more on this quiet phenomenas of today's world...you should search for book written by author Avsec Bostjan
Title:
2008, BETWEEN LIFE AND TRUTH; IT 'S A FREE WORLD...
by Avsec Bostjan
Book will be published probably already before new year or the latest in the begining of year 2009. Thank you
As the two systems compare hand in hand in enormous rivalry for one prevailing over another certain limits/guidelanes are established between the two as well(Soviet side and American have established new economic trities upon termination of cold war era). Many contracts entering extremelly specific areas of economies and politics for the first time in human history as well(therefore today's crises in capitalistic world are of competition nature from the past while heavily having to have to deal as well with end of inter world's trading renesance). USA entered those agreements due to extremelly high yield(profitability only). Is there end !??? Well, ask United States of America congress how much are they ready to give up on being world's superpower...the answer is ulimetaly yes ...meaning it will be over before you know.
Other side would tell you prety much the same(nobody is willing to give up from its prestigious prominence as per world's superpovers. , But at this point enormous diplomatic/political battle is going on inside of those states where communism threatens to officially return back(elite communist groups/societies in ex-Soviet states have never ever changed on he first place. This instability threatens entire world even that quite opposite appears at first sight.
Further guides are concerning depresion limits of tolerable for broad population on each side and this is where human right issues come to play...QUESTION OF TO BE OR NOT TO BE(PROFITERING) IN TODAY'S WORLD IS WHO CAN BASH/COMPELL HIS NATION MORE...THUS LEAVING BEHIND NOTHING BUT INVISIBLE TRACES OF PAST FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL DESTROYED(on both sides)...This merceless option leaving not only states, but entire political systems compiting with one another.
As much as manipulated guys like yourself would like to see communism coming back, it is fact that this form of psychology(this is in what I break political systems as well beside other factors) approach toward humans is unacceptable and it should no longer be tolerated further anywhere in the world specially in what is almost year 2009.
There are many other factors and interests playing in the game...this is just little tip of iceberg.
To learn more on this quiet phenomenas of today's world...you should search for book written by author Avsec Bostjan
Title:
2008, BETWEEN LIFE AND TRUTH; IT 'S A FREE WORLD...
by Avsec Bostjan
Book will be published probably already before new year or the latest in the begining of year 2009. Thank you
Thank you for calling me manipulated. But it is not fair to call another manipulated and brainwashed and forget the brainwashing that happens in America mostly just to keep poor people from revolting. I don't feel the urge to defend myself. I have read books, saw for myself and have chosen side.
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Those of us in America have the choice of free will. Those who choose to be poor are, those who choose to work hard and better themselves can. I have been on both ends of the spectrum. I climbed my way up to the heights of comfort, made some very bad choices and became homeless. I am now climbing my way back up. I did get help from friends by giving me a place to stay while I worked things out. Not easy, but if the will is there it can be done.
Zee
Zee
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zeelanderer: Those of us in America have the choice of free will. Those who choose to be poor are, those who choose to work hard and better themselves can. I have been on both ends of the spectrum. I climbed my way up to the heights of comfort, made some very bad choices and became homeless. I am now climbing my way back up. I did get help from friends by giving me a place to stay while I worked things out. Not easy, but if the will is there it can be done.
Zee
Zee
Wonderful sentiments, and I applaud you for your hard work and endeavours.
However, to climb up that mountain, to reach the pinnacle there needs to be one extremely important element in place. Without this element you can never reach those dizzy heights, and that element you ask?
The MOUNTAIN
Don't presume to knock those unemployed who are not there through their lack of hard work or abilities, but due to circumstances well outside their control. Who, if jobs were available would bite the hand off a prospective employer.
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Laconian: Well i don't have time to study the economics of capitalism. But even people who were studying capitalism as part of their studies would not forsee the economic crisis. All those golden boys that lost their jobs were not ignorant people. They were very aware of the ways the economic system works but they have failed to take measures to prevent the breakdown.
Well,since you can't be bothered studying that System,don't make ridiculous statements!!!
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The problem is not capitalism, it is greed
If more people at the top, would share some of the money with their workers, in the form of at least paying them a "living wage" out of respect for their commitment to their company. There would be alot more people better off...
I hate government getting into private companies business, but that is how we got a minimum wage, because the greedy don't want to dish out more money than they have too... it sad really.
Of course if more people actually understood business before they started one, they would realize the importance of "the treatment of the workers" That would make their business stronger overall..
Take care and RESPECT those who help feed you, most people don't mind going the extra mile, and trying harder, if they see that it is appreciated.....
But that would require compassion.....
Greed and compassion mix like oil and water...
But what do I know, I have no degree.. JMO
If more people at the top, would share some of the money with their workers, in the form of at least paying them a "living wage" out of respect for their commitment to their company. There would be alot more people better off...
I hate government getting into private companies business, but that is how we got a minimum wage, because the greedy don't want to dish out more money than they have too... it sad really.
Of course if more people actually understood business before they started one, they would realize the importance of "the treatment of the workers" That would make their business stronger overall..
Take care and RESPECT those who help feed you, most people don't mind going the extra mile, and trying harder, if they see that it is appreciated.....
But that would require compassion.....
Greed and compassion mix like oil and water...
But what do I know, I have no degree.. JMO
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Conrad73: Well,since you can't be bothered studying that System,don't make ridiculous statements!!!
Have i offended your beliefs? I am really sorry but since you cannot prove me wrong then you have to let other opinions be heard. But you see that's the problem with people. They always think their opinions are the valid ones and never allow others to state their arguments.
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Conrad73: Well,since you can't be bothered studying that System,don't make ridiculous statements!!!
Also since we are living in a free market and every company is free to do whatever it wants, gain profit etc why the car companies ask for the Goverment's help to get out of the crisis?
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Tater: The problem is not capitalism, it is greed
If more people at the top, would share some of the money with their workers, in the form of at least paying them a "living wage" out of respect for their commitment to their company. There would be alot more people better off...
I hate government getting into private companies business, but that is how we got a minimum wage, because the greedy don't want to dish out more money than they have too... it sad really.
Of course if more people actually understood business before they started one, they would realize the importance of "the treatment of the workers" That would make their business stronger overall..
Take care and RESPECT those who help feed you, most people don't mind going the extra mile, and trying harder, if they see that it is appreciated.....
But that would require compassion.....
Greed and compassion mix like oil and water...But what do I know, I have no degree.. JMO
If more people at the top, would share some of the money with their workers, in the form of at least paying them a "living wage" out of respect for their commitment to their company. There would be alot more people better off...
I hate government getting into private companies business, but that is how we got a minimum wage, because the greedy don't want to dish out more money than they have too... it sad really.
Of course if more people actually understood business before they started one, they would realize the importance of "the treatment of the workers" That would make their business stronger overall..
Take care and RESPECT those who help feed you, most people don't mind going the extra mile, and trying harder, if they see that it is appreciated.....
But that would require compassion.....
Greed and compassion mix like oil and water...But what do I know, I have no degree.. JMO
Workers are just a resource to be exploited like any other resource...its Capitalism all right. Labor is the least scarce resource in the world, and thus doesn't deserve respect, at least in the opinion of the rich.
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We must remember that capitalism runs in cycles. First there is
period of growth and building on the backs of the laborers then
the rich tear it down (take the money and run) only to have the
laborers begin building it up again. I don't think capitalism will
ever end as long as some want more than others.
JMHO
period of growth and building on the backs of the laborers then
the rich tear it down (take the money and run) only to have the
laborers begin building it up again. I don't think capitalism will
ever end as long as some want more than others.
JMHO
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