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Dec 19, 2008 8:12 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
jonahstrials
jonahstrialsjonahstrialspensacola, Florida USA11 Threads 132 Posts
Raised my kids for 10yrs,then to suddenly lose custody of them. I don't even know where to start. My life has always been waiting for the 6days every other week I had them. How do you begin again?moping dunno
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Dec 19, 2008 8:32 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
jonahstrials: Raised my kids for 10yrs,then to suddenly lose custody of them. I don't even know where to start. My life has always been waiting for the 6days every other week I had them. How do you begin again?


Ok.

You do.

You need to get yourself together and quick for those six days every other week.

I am with you, I know you are hurting.

I went through the most horrific custody battle that no person here knows about, aside from one.

You will begin again, you will.

Then you will get your children when they come and visit and you will be what you are, a father.

They are still your children, whatever any court states.

They are your children too.

Never forget that.
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Dec 19, 2008 8:40 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
Shirley49WV
Shirley49WVShirley49WVMason, West Virginia USA27 Threads 2,449 Posts
You have to be a strong and caring person from the postings I have read.
You show the ex and the courts what a great father you are and have been and go back to court if possible.
If that is not an option you love them while you've got them as you always had. Sorry I don't have experience in this. But my heart goes out to you. hug
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Dec 19, 2008 9:15 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
classicrockgirl
classicrockgirlclassicrockgirlInverness, Florida USA12 Threads 2,414 Posts
Just go on loving and caring for them as you always have before. I am sure they will come back on their own when they have a say in where they live.
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Dec 19, 2008 10:16 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
soulmateTWS
soulmateTWSsoulmateTWSHappy in, Alabama USA8 Threads 4,935 Posts
jonahstrials: Raised my kids for 10yrs,then to suddenly lose custody of them. I don't even know where to start. My life has always been waiting for the 6days every other week I had them. How do you begin again?


You make the absolute most out of the time you do have them with you... santa waving
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Dec 19, 2008 10:16 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
jonahstrials
jonahstrialsjonahstrialspensacola, Florida USA11 Threads 132 Posts
Thanks so much,it was a "no win" hearing from the start. Her lawyer was good,mine was bad. My lawyer never once asked the proper questions or even bothered to meet with me at all in the last two weeks,but I don't blame him. I blame the court system. An insensitive,uncaring,quick "check in and check out" system that thrives on "OUR" money for existence. I mean,by not refusing to continue this due to my Mom's passing last week put me in a bad state of mind right from the start. I sure hope none of the lawyers in there or Judge loses their Mom. It was selfish,uncaring,yet predictable.
I guess the main theme of this is,"How DO you start over?" I mean,I have to look after myself for once in my life...that is a hard thing. Everything I have done and every penny I have made was all for the kids. It is just amazing how sorry,uncaring,and non-existent Fathers are treated better than I have been treated in the last year.
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Dec 19, 2008 10:24 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
Tater
TaterTaterspringfield, Illinois USA45 Threads 3 Polls 3,326 Posts
jonahstrials: Thanks so much,it was a "no win" hearing from the start. Her lawyer was good,mine was bad. My lawyer never once asked the proper questions or even bothered to meet with me at all in the last two weeks,but I don't blame him. I blame the court system. An insensitive,uncaring,quick "check in and check out" system that thrives on "OUR" money for existence. I mean,by not refusing to continue this due to my Mom's passing last week put me in a bad state of mind right from the start. I sure hope none of the lawyers in there or Judge loses their Mom. It was selfish,uncaring,yet predictable.
I guess the main theme of this is,"How DO you start over?" I mean,I have to look after myself for once in my life...that is a hard thing. Everything I have done and every penny I have made was all for the kids. It is just amazing how sorry,uncaring,and non-existent Fathers are treated better than I have been treated in the last year.



Sorry to hear about your losses, but I'm missing something here... You state that you have to worry about yourself from now on, totally dis-regaurding your kids, or even mentioning that you can try to get them back, so my question/ or comment rather is what did you do for you do know you won't get them back???? something just isn't adding up here ..???
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Dec 19, 2008 10:40 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
Tater
TaterTaterspringfield, Illinois USA45 Threads 3 Polls 3,326 Posts
Tater: Sorry to hear about your losses, but I'm missing something here... You state that you have to worry about yourself from now on, totally dis-regaurding your kids, or even mentioning that you can try to get them back, so my question/ or comment rather is what did you do for you do know you won't get them back???? something just isn't adding up here ..???


I just read your statement again, and it seems like you are saying you were living off your mother, and now that she is gone, you want help... Maybe it is time for you to grow up and be a man, and what is with the state of mind comment, I have to many questions...not trying to be insensitive..
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Dec 20, 2008 4:55 AM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
readyornot0
readyornot0readyornot0stratford- on -slaney, Wicklow Ireland49 Threads 3 Polls 1,242 Posts
jonahstrials: Raised my kids for 10yrs,then to suddenly lose custody of them. I don't even know where to start. My life has always been waiting for the 6days every other week I had them. How do you begin again?


I had the same and its hard and my heart goes out to you, I made it my aim to do something new in life and now have a nice little buisiness going a good friend gave me a great peice of advice " she will hate to see you sucessful" and he was right it kills her to see me in a better car,a new suit nicely turned out and socialising the parting shot from him was "make your sucess her misery" sounds cruel but it sure worked for me I wish you all the strength you need to get through this
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Dec 20, 2008 6:56 AM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
stefonline
stefonlinestefonlineDublin, Ireland136 Threads 9,702 Posts
Because of this type of thing exactly I have made a vow never to use the services of a solisitor again.doh
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Dec 20, 2008 7:00 AM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
stefonline
stefonlinestefonlineDublin, Ireland136 Threads 9,702 Posts
jonahstrials: Thanks so much,it was a "no win" hearing from the start. Her lawyer was good,mine was bad. My lawyer never once asked the proper questions or even bothered to meet with me at all in the last two weeks,but I don't blame him. I blame the court system. An insensitive,uncaring,quick "check in and check out" system that thrives on "OUR" money for existence. I mean,by not refusing to continue this due to my Mom's passing last week put me in a bad state of mind right from the start. I sure hope none of the lawyers in there or Judge loses their Mom. It was selfish,uncaring,yet predictable.
I guess the main theme of this is,"How DO you start over?" I mean,I have to look after myself for once in my life...that is a hard thing. Everything I have done and every penny I have made was all for the kids. It is just amazing how sorry,uncaring,and non-existent Fathers are treated better than I have been treated in the last year.







Women are treated in this very fashion also.....and it's much harder for women believe me. Women do bring the children into the world 40 weeks living inside you feeding from you. conversing
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Dec 20, 2008 9:24 AM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
hopefloats
hopefloatshopefloatsSlim's Lady, Tennessee USA51 Threads 6,660 Posts
Just for the record, you don't have to do anything wrong to lose favor in the eyes of a judge. All it takes is a judge that has some kind of prejudice or chip on his shoulder, or is just having a bad day in general to royally screw up everyone else's lives. Been there. Done that. And lost custody of my boys because the judge favored "preachers" over any other being. But that's a different story for a different time.

Jonahstrials, no matter what the hand of man has done to separate you and your children, it will never change the love. But you are not the sole victim here. It has more detrimental effects on the children than you, as a parent will ever know. Just hang in there for the sake of your kids. You've been knocked down. Get back up and dust yourself off and continue on, not only for yourself but your kids...........

Merky
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Dec 20, 2008 2:57 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
jonahstrials: Raised my kids for 10yrs,then to suddenly lose custody of them. I don't even know where to start. My life has always been waiting for the 6days every other week I had them. How do you begin again?


Hi My Daughter had the same problem with bad lawyer and we had to move interstate to get justice and it nearly broke us financially and mentally.So it goes on all over the world and you are powerless to stop it its all very well for uncaring people to say be a man, but go through that is living hell on earth!! its like they have let a huge dog from hell slowly tear you to bits and my daughter did not do one thing wrong he left her at 7 months pregnant.
It caused my ex to have a stroke and he also left, get another lawyer you say to late in the end you go around like zombies not really knowing what is going on.
We were lucky my daughter won but it still left deep scar's at just the unfairness of it all and all in the name of justace.
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Dec 20, 2008 4:00 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
jonahstrials: I guess the main theme of this is,"How DO you start over?" I mean,I have to look after myself for once in my life...that is a hard thing. Everything I have done and every penny I have made was all for the kids.


I had to start over like that once.
It surely does suck, doesn't it?

It's not looking after yourself that's hard.
It's not having the ones you love to look after.

There isn't any easy formula or quick cure.
It's gonna take time.
And it's gonna change you.

Like one song says:

"Life's heartaches can be hard to take
They can make you bitter,
or they can make you break"

That sort of "breaking" has a good side.
It deepens your capacity for understanding and comforting others.
But it hurts so bad.

I hope you have at least one close friend you can confide in through this period.
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Dec 20, 2008 4:57 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
RayfromUSA: I had to start over like that once.
It surely does suck, doesn't it?

It's not looking after yourself that's hard.
It's not having the ones you love to look after.

There isn't any easy formula or quick cure.
It's gonna take time.
And it's gonna change you.

Like one song says:

"Life's heartaches can be hard to take
They can make you bitter,
or they can make you break"

That sort of "breaking" has a good side.
It deepens your capacity for understanding and comforting others.
But it hurts so bad.

I hope you have at least one close friend you can confide in through this period.



Well said! Jonas, My heart goes out to you. My exfiance had a similar situation to you. My prayers are with you.hug comfort hug comfort
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Dec 20, 2008 5:38 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
hrt4lse
hrt4lsehrt4lseRedding, California USA13 Threads 1,233 Posts
jonahstrials: Thanks so much,it was a "no win" hearing from the start. Her lawyer was good,mine was bad. My lawyer never once asked the proper questions or even bothered to meet with me at all in the last two weeks,but I don't blame him. I blame the court system. An insensitive,uncaring,quick "check in and check out" system that thrives on "OUR" money for existence. I mean,by not refusing to continue this due to my Mom's passing last week put me in a bad state of mind right from the start. I sure hope none of the lawyers in there or Judge loses their Mom. It was selfish,uncaring,yet predictable.
I guess the main theme of this is,"How DO you start over?" I mean,I have to look after myself for once in my life...that is a hard thing. Everything I have done and every penny I have made was all for the kids. It is just amazing how sorry,uncaring,and non-existent Fathers are treated better than I have been treated in the last year.


Hey, it happens to women too. The county I was in seems to have gone anti-mom. I wonder what's going on when a mom who's on drugs gets to keep her kids when I end up losing mine. Back in December of 2002 my ex ended up getting custody of my younger son (I'd had him since 1997). The older son chose to go to his dad's a year or so before to find out what it was like living with his dad. Both boys used to complain about the woman who ended up becoming their step mom. When my youngest was moved to his dad's, he didn't want to go but his own attorney wouldn't listen to him. My ex even went so far as to get me placed on supervised visitation. I had never ever done anything to warrant this (other than divorce their dad). He tried to say that I was mentally ill, I went and got evaluated by an impartial psychiatrist & psychologist and went back to court with their reports that I was mentally sound. Did it make any difference? Heck no. Since my boys have been with their dad, he's succeeded in brainwashing them into cutting me out of their lives. For them to live with/near their dad it's survival for them to do what he wants. I go on with the hope that one of these days they'll be able to step out and contact me without worrying about what their dad will say or do.

You ask how do you go on....you just do. You make the decision that now you have to take care of yourself, you have to live for that "some day" when the kids will make contact again & be part of your life. You pick up & decide it's time for you to get on with your life....you move (or at least I did...lol) and you start over. You search for that person that will become your partner and you rediscover the person you are. You're not the only one who's had to do this so hang in there & you'll get through it. bouquet
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Dec 20, 2008 5:41 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Anybody here heard of Lady Catherine Meyer?
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Dec 20, 2008 5:44 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
hrt4lse
hrt4lsehrt4lseRedding, California USA13 Threads 1,233 Posts
Sommerauer71: Anybody here heard of Lady Catherine Meyer?


I haven't, who is she?
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Dec 20, 2008 6:08 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
hrt4lse: I haven't, who is she?


Hi hrt41

You and I have discussed your case before.

Catherine Meyer is a lady who had her children taken from her, 11 years ago.

By her ex husband.

My own children were taken by mine, to another country, it took me a long time to have them returned.

Anyway, her boys, she has not seen for 11 years.

She is married to the ex British Ambassador to the US.

She has been through many courts to have her boys returned, to no avail.

They are so severly alienated, they are now adults.

Parental Alienation Syndrome is something that is not recognised, but exists...

I could get no court in the UK to recognise this, I had to wait, for a long time to get my children back. And all over money, it took me four long, long years to recover their minds, with love, patience and support...

I cannot and will not support any person who uses their children as pawns, as a personal ATM machine, contact and child support are two very different areas.

Coming from two parents who fought over me, bitterly and being dragged from country to country as a little one, and then to have it happen to my own children is something that pains me.

To bring me to a point, about judges, people are right, they in Family Law, want an easy solution, the more difficult cases are allowed to slip through the net.

And what are natural, loving relationships, are allowed to be eroded...

And that is where it sticks in my heart, we cannot stop what the other parent says, but Family Law, in the UK and the US could be changed, to benefit the children.

A subject that runs very deep with me, very deep as I know it does you.
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Dec 20, 2008 6:35 PM CST The Ex Won,the Kids Lost,Where Do You Go From Here?
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
Sommerauer71: Hi hrt41

You and I have discussed your case before.

Catherine Meyer is a lady who had her children taken from her, 11 years ago.

By her ex husband.

My own children were taken by mine, to another country, it took me a long time to have them returned.

Anyway, her boys, she has not seen for 11 years.

She is married to the ex British Ambassador to the US.

She has been through many courts to have her boys returned, to no avail.

They are so severly alienated, they are now adults.

Parental Alienation Syndrome is something that is not recognised, but exists...

I could get no court in the UK to recognise this, I had to wait, for a long time to get my children back. And all over money, it took me four long, long years to recover their minds, with love, patience and support...

I cannot and will not support any person who uses their children as pawns, as a personal ATM machine, contact and child support are two very different areas.

Coming from two parents who fought over me, bitterly and being dragged from country to country as a little one, and then to have it happen to my own children is something that pains me.

To bring me to a point, about judges, people are right, they in Family Law, want an easy solution, the more difficult cases are allowed to slip through the net.

And what are natural, loving relationships, are allowed to be eroded...

And that is where it sticks in my heart, we cannot stop what the other parent says, but Family Law, in the UK and the US could be changed, to benefit the children.

A subject that runs very deep with me, very deep as I know it does you.



They are talking about that very subject in parliment now so Aus at last is looking to childrens rights! its left so much confusion out there because they went right over to the fathers rights of course no hope that would work.

So last but not least they put the children first!! its in the best intrest of the child" hope they mean it this time.
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