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Jan 5, 2009 10:09 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JacobGrimm
JacobGrimmJacobGrimmBlah blah, Ontario Canada2 Threads 223 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: It's the same link...read it...and see what the truth is...don't just pick parts f it...read it and find out just who and what the problem is and the only solution from a non-biased stance...and my bet is nothing has changed due to the essence of the Zionist policy and state...Why would it?????So the events don't differ any...the reasons the Palestinians were displaced...the fact that 90% of their land has been encroached on...they are still living the same way...what does it matter what dates are on this write-up I published...it's the very essence of the whole conflict and it hasn't changed...it's not articled either...It's one write up done by the Jews for Justice...if you cared to read it and know the truth...I guess I wouldn't have to explain the importance of what it says...and why!!!!!!!!You either look at the whole picture in context...or you don't that's up to you...but don't criticize something you haven't read...http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html


wave hey hugsy wugsy!! lips
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Jan 5, 2009 10:11 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JacobGrimm
JacobGrimmJacobGrimmBlah blah, Ontario Canada2 Threads 223 Posts
mbcasey: I still like my solution...move everyone out of Israel. Make it a world monument. Trump comes in and builds hotels for tourists.

Who lives on the Sphynx? Who lives on the Great Wall Of China? Who lives in the Taj Mahal (I know, a dead person resides there)...answer...noone.

Why should anyone live on sacred ground revered by billions of people? Move everyone out to any location they want to go, and turn Israel into a tourist attraction. End of wars, end of fighting, end to all this crap everyone is sick and tired of.

Think of the money that could come to the poorer countries in the area. Lebanon could be a tourist mecca (no pun intended), Syria could build hotels and casinos for guests...3 days and a free trip to the wailing wall!

People may think I am kidding..just joking around. Well some of this is said with tongue in cheek, but there is no better solution than mine. Does anyone have a better idea?


yes, Dolly World would look magnificent there. And just imagine, two more pyramids in the area .... smitten roll eyes wave
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Jan 5, 2009 10:14 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
mbcasey: I still like my solution...move everyone out of Israel. Make it a world monument. Trump comes in and builds hotels for tourists.

Who lives on the Sphynx? Who lives on the Great Wall Of China? Who lives in the Taj Mahal (I know, a dead person resides there)...answer...noone.

Why should anyone live on sacred ground revered by billions of people? Move everyone out to any location they want to go, and turn Israel into a tourist attraction. End of wars, end of fighting, end to all this crap everyone is sick and tired of.

Think of the money that could come to the poorer countries in the area. Lebanon could be a tourist mecca (no pun intended), Syria could build hotels and casinos for guests...3 days and a free trip to the wailing wall!

People may think I am kidding..just joking around. Well some of this is said with tongue in cheek, but there is no better solution than mine. Does anyone have a better idea?

Maybe free tours for the CS heroes that waste their precious life discussing endless crap while others die miserably?

Your idea is not bad really, though it shows that money is always made on top of piles of suffering.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:15 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Baskaladd
BaskaladdBaskaladdLas Vegas, Nevada USA1 Posts
What do you think about Hammas storing bombs in their homes where there are little children present? When Israel goes in for a raid, they precisely target where the bombs are, well, it's too bad that it just so happens that those bombs are stored in someone's private home! Maybe they should think twice about where to store them! Poor kids. Yeah, but stupid parents.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:18 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
Antjo39: Possibly through some of the very few Spanish ancestors I have. I have traced the possibility of some converted Jews that remained in Spain working as officers for the next two centuries before coming to SA also as officers ( court finances hehehe...) They stayed and then the mix came. I will have to examine some of the possible mutations (good suggestion)

I think if this is right all those Jews went into Spain following the Moors, maybe in several waves from North-Africa or Palestine. In another thread I have told you that the Jews were persecuted and kicked out of Spain by the Catholic Kings (or forced to get converted to avoid being burnt alive), never by the Moors.


Yes, I am aware of the Jewish Moranos of Spain, the forced conversions and also about the 1492 expulsion of the Jews of Spain and the fact that many of them went to Portugal. But even then many were forced out of so many countries and had to immigrate anywhere they could just to survive.That is the reason why you find a Jew or one of mixed Jewish heritage in so many places in the world where you probably wouldn't even think one would be there. So truly, it is not impossible for you to be racially mixed although showing no European looks. Genetics tells us much about ourselves besides just where we came from. It can be a blessing but yet a curse at the same time to know some things about ourselves. We go down the "rabbit hole" a bit further when we find out too much about ourselves sometimes. Can be very scary to say the least and challenging. Knowing one's genetic makeup can be quite an eye opener and even change the way a person perceives things after that.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:20 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JacobGrimm
JacobGrimmJacobGrimmBlah blah, Ontario Canada2 Threads 223 Posts
Baskaladd: What do you think about Hammas storing bombs in their homes where there are little children present? When Israel goes in for a raid, they precisely target where the bombs are, well, it's too bad that it just so happens that those bombs are stored in someone's private home! Maybe they should think twice about where to store them! Poor kids. Yeah, but stupid parents.


And who supplies them with the target information? Surely not the parents or the children or their own bretheren.

This is an emotional media ploy. Build the curtain of hate with nonsensical spacial information for which proof either way is unattainable. You have been affected as intended.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:21 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
leolove1
leolove1leolove1The Hague, South Holland Netherlands92 Posts
even if my brain is not that fast
that doesn't mean that the thinking is wrong
better slow and have a good point then quick telling all kind of nonsense
Antjo39: hahaha
you do not even know me.
It shows how fast your brain is just to shoot nonsensical stuff...
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Jan 5, 2009 10:21 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
Antjo39: Maybe free tours for the CS heroes that waste their precious life discussing endless crap while others die miserably?

Your idea is not bad really, though it shows that money is always made on top of piles of suffering.


Money is being made now with all the suffering.

When Arafat died, his wife inherited over a billion dollars....

The US send Israel billions of dollars every year....

The pain and suffering and greed is there. Let's take away the pain and suffering and worry about greed later.

The loss of prescious life will end. A 21st solution will begin. Maybe even a profit sharing plan with the citizens of countries in the area who have received the least of all middle east countries.

Everyone benefits.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:28 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
leolove1: even if my brain is not that fast
that doesn't mean that the thinking is wrong
better slow and have a good point then quick telling all kind of nonsense

See, you are talking in a better way. Now, say whatever you want about those terrible terrorists but with good support of fact, logic and history...
It is up to you.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:28 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JacobGrimm
JacobGrimmJacobGrimmBlah blah, Ontario Canada2 Threads 223 Posts
mbcasey:

The pain and suffering and greed is there. Let's take away the pain and suffering and worry about greed later.



the ideal is good thumbs up



but ....



What if greed and suffering are two ends of the same stick?
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Jan 5, 2009 10:30 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
mbcasey: Money is being made now with all the suffering.

When Arafat died, his wife inherited over a billion dollars....

The US send Israel billions of dollars every year....

The pain and suffering and greed is there. Let's take away the pain and suffering and worry about greed later.

The loss of prescious life will end. A 21st solution will begin. Maybe even a profit sharing plan with the citizens of countries in the area who have received the least of all middle east countries.

Everyone benefits.

I see. I see.cheers
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Jan 5, 2009 10:36 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
JacobGrimm: hey hugsy wugsy!!



Hey JG....wave wink hug kiss hug heart beating
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Jan 5, 2009 10:37 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
leolove1
leolove1leolove1The Hague, South Holland Netherlands92 Posts
you make a wrong judgement
I do not hate anybody ?
I only feel sorry for them
but You must see the fact that the misery they are in , they own it to themselves
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Jan 5, 2009 10:37 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
JacobGrimm: And who supplies them with the target information? Surely not the parents or the children or their own bretheren.

This is an emotional media ploy. Build the curtain of hate with nonsensical spacial information for which proof either way is unattainable. You have been affected as intended.


Jacob, in answer to your question above:: I believe that it most likely is their own bretheren that are giving away where the weapons are stored by firing right from the building in the first place. They don't seem to be overly concerned regarding children or anyone that is inside the building before they start firing their rockets. It doesn't seem logical that they would put their children as a human shield. The IDF just traces the marker and fires right back to that location. Just as plain and simple as that! Just as plain as watching fireworks as they are being launched before they explode.crying doh
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Jan 5, 2009 10:42 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
leolove1
leolove1leolove1The Hague, South Holland Netherlands92 Posts
and if you do not know the facts , that I mentioned , just read what I 've said before
Antjo39: Can you repeat your points please to see if I can answer properly? I just read how much you hated those Islamic "terrorists". Certainly I could not prove your hatred wrong because that is something inside your heart.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:46 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
Good night everyone, I'm going to bed. Just can't take anymore of this tonight. The bed is calling me...come here, come here now!! teddybear
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Jan 5, 2009 10:48 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
LILLYLADY: Yes, I am aware of the Jewish Moranos of Spain, the forced conversions and also about the 1492 expulsion of the Jews of Spain and the fact that many of them went to Portugal. But even then many were forced out of so many countries and had to immigrate anywhere they could just to survive.That is the reason why you find a Jew or one of mixed Jewish heritage in so many places in the world where you probably wouldn't even think one would be there. So truly, it is not impossible for you to be racially mixed although showing no European looks. Genetics tells us much about ourselves besides just where we came from. It can be a blessing but yet a curse at the same time to know some things about ourselves. We go down the "rabbit hole" a bit further when we find out too much about ourselves sometimes. Can be very scary to say the least and challenging. Knowing one's genetic makeup can be quite an eye opener and even change the way a person perceives things after that.

Sure it is... and even just to look inisde and see that we are just a very fragile composition of cells working in a marvelous way to keep a miracle alive. The same for the other living creatures.
Those thoughts would make us less arrogant but unfortunately we can not keep them all the time as our dark side is stronger.
Too strong.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:51 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
leolove1: the jewish people are also the indigenous people of "Israel", palestine, Jordan, Iraq,lebanon

No doubt, partially, not totally because they enriched their genetic tool in many ways during their journey ( I mean those that left Palestine or surrounding areas long ago) You also have to think of other entire populations that got converted to the Jewish religion (European and African Jews)
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Jan 5, 2009 10:52 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
JacobGrimm
JacobGrimmJacobGrimmBlah blah, Ontario Canada2 Threads 223 Posts
Sparky55: Your comment on religion makes sense. Unfortunately, I think we'd have a better chance of inviting the planet to a worldwide pork Bar-B-Que and beer bash than have religion abolished. Besides, I am fond of the right to practice my own. The point is taken though. Religion is not used for the reasons it was intended (or is it)?


I think it is used as intended, as control, unification. To practice a beleif in god is not the same as participating in a war of god's. But I sense some protectiveness in this area, so I will press it no further.
In response to:
You pose an interesting question about what war does. Off the top of my head I would have to say it creates wealth and removes opposition to a certain group's ideals. I see this as a significant reason why this has lasted for as long as it has in the middle east. Same could be said for parts of Africa. Sad really.


wealth/profit yes.. opposition removal yes (though it doesn't seem to be removed here does it?)...However the "oppostions" ares also created by those who want/have the wealth. It is really as I said, lather rinse repeat, watch the coffers grow, as the coffins plow by.

So who is getting rich? It is as you suggest very significant.

One other purpose of war is population control. dunno

War is not the idealogy of the common man. This notion has to be set aside in favour of 'apathy and greed', even the notion of being the world's god. That notion must be ingested to totally understand power cycle at its core. Thinking of it from a common man's view leads you down a path that will not find understanding of anything but a common man's view yes?

Think apathy, greed, a mankind's god.
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Jan 5, 2009 10:55 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Early History of the Region

Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.

“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”


The present-day Palestinians’ ancestral heritage


“But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree...And that parent tree was Canaanite...[The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”

The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine

“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart... if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at a 414 year Jewish rule.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
More on Canaanite civilization

“Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE.” The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.

How long has Palestine been a specifically Arab country?

“Palestine became a predominately Arab and Islamic country by the end of the seventh century. Almost immediately thereafter its boundaries and its characteristics — including its name in Arabic, Filastin — became known to the entire Islamic world, as much for its fertility and beauty as for its religious significance...In 1516, Palestine became a province of the Ottoman Empire, but this made it no less fertile, no less Arab or Islamic...Sixty percent of the population was in agriculture; the balance was divided between townspeople and a relatively small nomadic group. All these people believed themselves to belong in a land called Palestine, despite their feelings that they were also members of a large Arab nation...Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”






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