cosmicwonderer: So,... So you think you can tell Heaven from Hell Blue skies from PAIN Can you tell a green field from a cold steel RAIN Hard ashes from trees Harsh Wind from a cool breeze Did they catch up your train? How you live and how you fly smiles you give and tears you cry Balanced on the biggest wave RACE TOWARDS AN EARLY GRAVE So you think you can tell.........PINK FLOYD STILL WAITING
The opponents have run to listen to Radio Tel Aviv for more arguments!!! LOL!!!
Antjo39: Waiting for the heavy subjects... And the bloody Zinoist must sharpen their lies because less peolpe believe those.. are humans growing smarter?
I think there are more people willing to look at both sides...not just one....and see through the b.s. to the real issues...Wiser maybe...you can only cry wolf and blame soooooo many times before people start to look at the cause and effect....
Hugz_n_Kissez: I think there are more people willing to look at both sides...not just one....and see through the b.s. to the real issues...Wiser maybe...you can only cry wolf and blame soooooo many times before people start to look at the cause and effect....
OK I have been asking for that...let´s look to both sides !!!!!! You are wise honey.... are you a nagger as other women? if you only nag less it would be perfect..... (just joking)
Hugz_n_Kissez: I think there are more people willing to look at both sides...not just one....and see through the b.s. to the real issues...Wiser maybe...you can only cry wolf and blame soooooo many times before people start to look at the cause and effect....
Antjo39: OK I have been asking for that...let´s look to both sides !!!!!! You are wise honey.... are you a nagger as other women? if you only nag less it would be perfect..... (just joking)
Nag Nag Nag...Noooo I'm just a fair person...I have always said both sides are to blame for the deaths...but I can see the lead up to and reasons for the conflict has been solely on Israels shoulders...where some people want to see Israel as blameless...I don't...but that's based on fact...not on just opinion....
Hugz_n_Kissez: Nag Nag Nag...Noooo I'm just a fair person...I have always said both sides are to blame for the deaths...but I can see the lead up to and reasons for the conflict has been solely on Israels shoulders...where some people want to see Israel as blameless...I don't...but that's based on fact...not on just opinion....
I am open to reading things that I did not know. I cannot make a snap decision based on a reading that I am not sure about.
I still do not understand what you mean by people like me.
I am not one that was raised in the Synagogues. My people were hurt badly by the loss of nearly our entire family during the Holocaust, so much they withdrew from all Religious life.
My parents raised us to try and make a difference.
I had to learn how to be different b/c I am/was different. I lost my hearing when I was a baby. I was an outcast bc of my handicaps, I went to public school. I learned how hatred is. How hatred is also discrimination. This is, for a very large part, why I accept all peoples as people and I disvriminate against no one.
I also, learned from My Parents, I had the same choice in this matter as in Religion and continuing the hatred that was passed down through the Centuries.
Came across this and just thought I'd share... it's from The Boston Globe...
"My life in Gaza By Mona El-Farra | July 10, 2006
THE IRONY IS almost beyond belief. Since the capture of an Israeli soldier on June 25, the Gaza Strip has been subjected to a large-scale military operation, what Israel calls ``Summer Rain." Because Israel bombed the power plant, and the area needs electricity to pump water, most of Gaza now has almost no access to drinking water. In the heat of summer, rain would be a blessing far more welcome than the ongoing bombings.
I am already starting to lose track of days and nights, of how many bombs have dropped. Since the main power plant was destroyed, we have had to live with no electricity. What we do get is patchy, and barely enough to recharge our mobile phones and our laptops so that we do not lose all touch with each other and with the outside world.
As a physician, I fear for our patients. Twenty-two hospitals have no electricity. They have to rely on generators, but the generators need fuel. We have enough fuel to last a few days at most, because the borders are sealed so no fuel can get in. The shortage of power threatens the lives of patients on life-support machines and children in intensive care, as well as renal dialysis patients and others. Hundreds of operations have been postponed. The pharmacies were already nearly empty because of Israeli border closures and the cutoff of international aid. What little supplies were left have gone bad in the absence of refrigeration.
Food too is spoiling without refrigeration, and food supplies are low. West Bank farmers threw away truckloads of spoiled fruit after sitting for days and then being denied Israeli permission to enter Gaza. Children grow hungry as we watch the food that could nourish them thrown into the garbage instead. More than 30,000 children suffer from malnutrition, and this number will increase as diarrhea spreads because of the limited supply of clean water and food contamination.
As a mother, I fear for the children. I see the effects of the relentless sonic booms and artillery shelling on my 13-year-old daughter. She is restless, panicked, and afraid to go out, yet frustrated because she can't see her friends. When Israeli fighter planes fly by day and night, the sound is terrifying. My daughter usually jumps into bed with me, shivering with fear. Then both of us end up crouching on the floor. My heart races, yet I try to pacify my daughter, to make her feel safe. But when the bombs sound, I flinch and scream. My daughter feels my fear and knows that we need to pacify each other. I am a doctor, a mature, middle-aged woman. But with the sonic booming, I become hysterical.
This aggression will leave psychological scars on the children for years to come. Instilling fear, anger and loss in them will not bring peace and security to Israelis.
Ostensibly, this bombing campaign started because of the soldier's capture. To the outside world it might seem like an easy decision for Palestinians: Let the soldier go, and the siege will end. Yet for Gazans, even in the face of this brutal violence, another decision comes, not with ease, but with resolve. He is one soldier who was captured in a military operation. Today, several hundred Palestinian children and women are locked in Israeli prisons. They deserve their freedom no less than he does. Their families mourn their absence no less than his family does. So while Gazans endure Israel's rainstorm, most want the soldier held -- not harmed -- until the women and children are released."
Most Gazans also believe that Israel's latest assault was pre-planned, that the soldier's capture is merely a trigger. Israel dropped thousands of shells on Gaza, killing women, children and old people, long before his capture. This time, Israel attacked Gaza within hours of a national consensus accord signed by Fatah and Hamas, which could have led to negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis. That would have pushed Israel to give up control of Palestinian land and resources. Gazans believe that the goal of Israel's military campaign is the destruction of both our elected government and our infrastructure, and with it our will to secure our national rights.
Though we do not now live with ease, we live with resolve. Until the world pressures Israel to recognize our rights in our land, and to pursue a peace that brings freedom and security to Israelis and Palestinians, we both will continue to pay the price.
Mona El-Farra is a physician and human rights advocate in the Gaza Strip. "
Hugz_n_Kissez: I think there are more people willing to look at both sides...not just one....and see through the b.s. to the real issues...Wiser maybe...you can only cry wolf and blame soooooo many times before people start to look at the cause and effect....
I wish I could agree that there are more people willing to look at both sides. What I see are people thouroughly entrenched in their own beliefs and unwilling to consider both sides of this issue. It's been that way throughout this thread and others like it.
I don't beleve there's need to search further for cause and effect. The dialogue of these threads provides the basic cause and effect i.e. intollerance, stubborness, hate, fear, pride, greed, etc..
cosmicwondererstockholm, Stockholm Sweden107 posts
CjTenorSax: quote=cosmicwonderer]Still waiting color=blue]I answered you above.
If you wanna keep on babbling say something relevant and clear and stop avoiding my question.... DO YOU STILL SAY THAT DAVID ICKE IS A CLOWN ? OR BUZZ ALDRIN OR THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT: OR PROJECT BLUE BOOK OR ROSWELL UFO CRASH? PLUS MUCH MUCH MORE I CAN`T THINK OF RIGHT NOW: EINSTEIN WAS A JEW WASN`T HE? WHERE DID HE GET HIS IDEAS FROM? JEWISH GENETICS OR ALIEN INTELLIGENCE? Yes you are the chosen people...chosen by the space lizards to feed the apple of misinformation in the garden of the EDEN that we still could be in if you stopped trying to be super controllers of the rest of US
they fight, what? how? ... """14""" is the only really good & good peoples thank to God, i'm a good heart person & i not interests bad peoples,they can do... "good only towards good" God income to be more near, i wait with impatience the famous solution. muchs persons have want failed muchs things in the life,muchs persons are bad in the heart & i wait a just punish "14"
cosmicwonderer: If you wanna keep on babbling say something relevant and clear and stop avoiding my question.... DO YOU STILL SAY THAT DAVID ICKE IS A CLOWN ? OR BUZZ ALDRIN OR THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT: OR PROJECT BLUE BOOK OR ROSWELL UFO CRASH? PLUS MUCH MUCH MORE I CAN`T THINK OF RIGHT NOW: EINSTEIN WAS A JEW WASN`T HE? WHERE DID HE GET HIS IDEAS FROM? JEWISH GENETICS OR ALIEN INTELLIGENCE? Yes you are the chosen people...chosen by the space lizards to feed the apple of misinformation in the garden of the EDEN that we still could be in if you stopped trying to be super controllers of the rest of US
I have answered you. You are the first I have ever heard of David Icke. I can not accept his theories, sorry.
I thanked you for the ther reference, which I will be reading on.
I explained to you why I am the way I am.
You now, bring in even more things, that were not even referred to earlier, in an effort to force me to agree with you and the ideas you espouse are right or that I and mine would be supper controllers. You know nothing about me. I would never try and control another person.
These are your ideas, your perceptions, I may, after reading and researching, agree to some concepts, or possible ideas. But as I said earlier I can not make an agreement nor disagree without more reading To each their own, Live and Let Live. That is how I treat all peoples.
I wish to point out, these concepts, while facinating, have nothing to do with this thread.
This thread is about the pain of two peoples. So may we please get back to the topic at hand and do the best we can to offer comfort to those that are suffering?
Nora83, Laidyinwaiting, Lillylady, please accept my appologies for my part in getting away from the topic at hand.
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Waiting for the heavy subjects...
And the bloody Zinoist must sharpen their lies because less peolpe believe those..
are humans growing smarter?