Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share ! (736)
Sparky55: Maybe she's smarter than we think. We all contributed to a full thread and many expressed a great deal of hate towards each other. Maybe she's the Dude.
Seriously, these debates are almost completely pointless
She is if we let her or him be.Its the same as all before her,they are here to stir up trouble.But I do agree with u.I only got in on the other thread when she threatened Indy.Terrioists use these sites to incite hatred,and some fall for it.Seriously, these debates are almost completely pointless
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LILLYLADY: Hugz n Kizzes
In regards to the posting that you made that spoke of the stone throwing incident, Just a comment below for something for you to pause and give some thought to. There are 2 sides to every situation and both must be heard equally.
If someone threw rocks and stones at you with the hope to maim or kill you and you had a stronger weapon in your hands to put a stop to it, I sure hope you would not just stand there and let yourself get stoned to death while they are protesting in the name of democracy and self determination.
And if you didn't have a stronger weapon but only had stones and rocks to throw back, would you just stand there, run, or throw them back to try to get them to stop?
In regards to the posting that you made that spoke of the stone throwing incident, Just a comment below for something for you to pause and give some thought to. There are 2 sides to every situation and both must be heard equally.
If someone threw rocks and stones at you with the hope to maim or kill you and you had a stronger weapon in your hands to put a stop to it, I sure hope you would not just stand there and let yourself get stoned to death while they are protesting in the name of democracy and self determination.
And if you didn't have a stronger weapon but only had stones and rocks to throw back, would you just stand there, run, or throw them back to try to get them to stop?
That's not the point...why are they throwing stones?????
So it's ok to mow down rock throwers with guns?????
Well that's the plan anyway...and it's working quite well...read the link I posted....If I was deprived of basic human needs on a daily basis...such as water...by a people who chose to encroach on my land after welcoming them as refugees...they then became the ruling government and created a Jewish state free from all the indigenous people in the area...was tortured...maimed...had my homes broken into and was beaten on a daily basis...and had about 10% of my land base left after the welcomed refugess took the rest...I might throw a few rocks too...
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Hamas had to know the response they would get by firing rockets into Israel. Though I believe Israel's retalliation is excessive[/quote
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nora83: part II ! its day number 10 , over 530 are killed , 30% are kids , please share !
Being who I Am, of my principles, and understanding, were I living in the area I would be doing all I could to stop the elements of society which continuously spurs on the aggravation. With others of the same mindset, united, and not huddled in fear. There have been more deaths which have occurred of a peoples inactions, then have occurred of positive actions to end the cause. The death of a thousand righteous people marching, unarmed, in the face of a radical cause against humanity, would be of greater benefit then the years of deaths occurring of righteous inaction. I actually found it kind of telling, about how you could see who, completely bought into the propaganda from both sides of the issue, and who actually understood to cause of the issue, and how it would ultimately be resolved. Actually heard an ex-Hamas student leader, the son of a Hamas leader, who, on Foxnews this morning, spoke of how it would come to an end. An action that will take the total defeat of radical Islam, and is more reliant on the people, themselves, of Islamic faith, to stand up, negate, radical Islamic leadership. A leadership responsible for more deaths on both sides, of their own self-loving instigation.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: That's not the point...why are they throwing stones?????So it's ok to mow down rock throwers with guns?????Well that's the plan anyway...and it's working quite well...read the link I posted....If I was deprived of basic human needs on a daily basis...such as water...by a people who chose to encroach on my land after welcoming them as refugees...they then became the ruling government and created a Jewish state free from all the indigenous people in the area...was tortured...maimed...had my homes broken into and was beaten on a daily basis...and had about 10% of my land base left after the welcomed refugess took the rest...I might throw a few rocks too...
Not to mention...to live in a free state on my own land that I have always occupied because the welcomed refugees have a much stronger military and say I can't....I don't have the right....and I don't have the right to govern myself either...There is something very wrong with this whole picture...Dontcha think????
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LILLYLADY: Hugz n Kizzes
In regards to the posting that you made that spoke of the stone throwing incident, Just a comment below for something for you to pause and give some thought to. There are 2 sides to every situation and both must be heard equally.
If someone threw rocks and stones at you with the hope to maim or kill you and you had a stronger weapon in your hands to put a stop to it, I sure hope you would not just stand there and let yourself get stoned to death while they are protesting in the name of democracy and self determination.
And if you didn't have a stronger weapon but only had stones and rocks to throw back, would you just stand there, run, or throw them back to try to get them to stop?
In regards to the posting that you made that spoke of the stone throwing incident, Just a comment below for something for you to pause and give some thought to. There are 2 sides to every situation and both must be heard equally.
If someone threw rocks and stones at you with the hope to maim or kill you and you had a stronger weapon in your hands to put a stop to it, I sure hope you would not just stand there and let yourself get stoned to death while they are protesting in the name of democracy and self determination.
And if you didn't have a stronger weapon but only had stones and rocks to throw back, would you just stand there, run, or throw them back to try to get them to stop?
Unfortunately, soldiers do what soldiers are told to do, no questions asked, even when their only weapon is a rock.
Leaders pound the drum, followers follow the beat of the rhetoric. Questioning what the soldiers/citizens are doing is unlikey to yeild any real information.
Take me to your leader.
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littlewolf: She is if we let her or him be.Its the same as all before her,they are here to stir up trouble.But I do agree with u.I only got in on the other thread when she threatened Indy.Terrioists use these sites to incite hatred,and some fall for it.
Its current events, about trouble that's already stirred up. where the heck is your head at? ------ This thread is Locked ------
The history of Israeli expansionism
“The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today. But the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.” David Ben-Gurion, in 1936, quoted in Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”
Expansionism — continued
“The main danger which Israel, as a ‘Jewish state’, poses to its own people, to other Jews and to its neighbors, is its ideologically motivated pursuit of territorial expansion and the inevitable series of wars resulting from this aim...No zionist politician has ever repudiated Ben-Gurion’s idea that Israeli policies must be based (within the limits of practical considerations) on the restoration of Biblical borders as the borders of the Jewish state.” Israeli professor, Israel Shahak, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3000 Years.”
Expansionism — continued
In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt’s personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: “ must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no — it must — invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all — let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space.” Quoted in Livia Rokach, “Israel’s Sacred Terrorism.”
But wasn’t the occupation of Arab lands necessary to protect Israel’s security?
“Senator [J.William Fulbright] proposed in 1970 that America should guarantee Israel’s security in a formal treaty, protecting her with armed forces if necessary. In return, Israel would retire to the borders of 1967. The UN Security Council would guarantee this arrangement, and thereby bring the Soviet Union — then a supplier of arms and political aid to the Arabs — into compliance. As Israeli troops were withdrawn from the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank they would be replaced by a UN peacekeeping force. Israel would agree to accept a certain number of Palestinians and the rest would be settled in a Palestinian state outside Israel.
“The plan drew favorable editorial support in the United States. The proposal, however, was flatly rejected by Israel. ‘The whole affair disgusted Fulbright,’ writes [his biographer Randall] Woods. ‘The Israelis were not even willing to act in their own self-interest.’” Allan Brownfield in “Issues of the American Council for Judaism.” Fall 1997.[Ed.—This was one of many such proposals]
The highlighted statement is likely the most telling for what really goes on and why...
“The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today. But the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.” David Ben-Gurion, in 1936, quoted in Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”
Expansionism — continued
“The main danger which Israel, as a ‘Jewish state’, poses to its own people, to other Jews and to its neighbors, is its ideologically motivated pursuit of territorial expansion and the inevitable series of wars resulting from this aim...No zionist politician has ever repudiated Ben-Gurion’s idea that Israeli policies must be based (within the limits of practical considerations) on the restoration of Biblical borders as the borders of the Jewish state.” Israeli professor, Israel Shahak, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3000 Years.”
Expansionism — continued
In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt’s personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: “ must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no — it must — invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all — let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space.” Quoted in Livia Rokach, “Israel’s Sacred Terrorism.”
But wasn’t the occupation of Arab lands necessary to protect Israel’s security?
“Senator [J.William Fulbright] proposed in 1970 that America should guarantee Israel’s security in a formal treaty, protecting her with armed forces if necessary. In return, Israel would retire to the borders of 1967. The UN Security Council would guarantee this arrangement, and thereby bring the Soviet Union — then a supplier of arms and political aid to the Arabs — into compliance. As Israeli troops were withdrawn from the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank they would be replaced by a UN peacekeeping force. Israel would agree to accept a certain number of Palestinians and the rest would be settled in a Palestinian state outside Israel.
“The plan drew favorable editorial support in the United States. The proposal, however, was flatly rejected by Israel. ‘The whole affair disgusted Fulbright,’ writes [his biographer Randall] Woods. ‘The Israelis were not even willing to act in their own self-interest.’” Allan Brownfield in “Issues of the American Council for Judaism.” Fall 1997.[Ed.—This was one of many such proposals]
The highlighted statement is likely the most telling for what really goes on and why...
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Hugz
Your posting of articles are truly out of sync. October 18, 2000......Come on, I'm at least posting something out of the news today. Is this the best you can do? Please come back to late 2008 or 2009 at least to make a point with something very recent. One can go back 8 to 1000s of years and try to make a point I guess but the reality is what is happening today that has bearing on the world. Not opinions of 8 yrs ago.
I am pointing this out in a peaceful way I hope.
Your posting of articles are truly out of sync. October 18, 2000......Come on, I'm at least posting something out of the news today. Is this the best you can do? Please come back to late 2008 or 2009 at least to make a point with something very recent. One can go back 8 to 1000s of years and try to make a point I guess but the reality is what is happening today that has bearing on the world. Not opinions of 8 yrs ago.
I am pointing this out in a peaceful way I hope.
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LILLYLADY: Hugz
Your posting of articles are truly out of sync. October 18, 2000......Come on, I'm at least posting something out of the news today. Is this the best you can do? Please come back to late 2008 or 2009 at least to make a point with something very recent. One can go back 8 to 1000s of years and try to make a point I guess but the reality is what is happening today that has bearing on the world. Not opinions of 8 yrs ago.
I am pointing this out in a peaceful way I hope.
Your posting of articles are truly out of sync. October 18, 2000......Come on, I'm at least posting something out of the news today. Is this the best you can do? Please come back to late 2008 or 2009 at least to make a point with something very recent. One can go back 8 to 1000s of years and try to make a point I guess but the reality is what is happening today that has bearing on the world. Not opinions of 8 yrs ago.
I am pointing this out in a peaceful way I hope.
this 'thing' has been ongoing for almost 6000 yrs. Only way to seal a leak is to follow it back to its source.------ This thread is Locked ------
Hugz,
You are also going backwards to 1997 too. And that's 11 yrs. What are they writing today as a follow up? Thank you.
You are also going backwards to 1997 too. And that's 11 yrs. What are they writing today as a follow up? Thank you.
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JacobGrimm: this 'thing' has been ongoing for almost 6000 yrs. Only way to seal a leak is to follow it back to its source.
Great point Jacob. Must be spoken by a man who has no doubt fixed many leaks in his life. Amen!
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I think it's a wicked crime! There has been a new Holocaust in Palestine for the past 60 years yet the international community does nothing because it's happening over time as opposed to all at once like WWII.
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proline789: I think it's a wicked crime! There has been a new Holocaust in Palestine for the past 60 years yet the international community does nothing because it's happening over time as opposed to all at once like WWII.
What Insight!Would or could you expand some on your Statement?
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LILLYLADY: Great point Jacob. Must be spoken by a man who has no doubt fixed many leaks in his life. Amen!
In this case I am sure you wouldn't like what the source is, because it is and always has been about gods in mesopatamia. The biggest leak in mankind!
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JacobGrimm: this 'thing' has been ongoing for almost 6000 yrs. Only way to seal a leak is to follow it back to its source.
That's an interesting point. I've always considered this a family squabble and from my experiance, it's never good to find oneself in the middle of a family squabble.
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The point Hugs is making is that even recent Jewish journalists have written that injustice is making the problem even far worse.
Not all Jewish people are hell bent on killing as many Arabs and would like to peacefully co exist.
There was a time when rational thought was and would be appreciated, but when it comes to Israel and the Palestinians it seems history has been forgotten, somehow the Jews with the resources, the military backing and the propaganda behind them forgot that the Allied countries gave them the land after world war one.
God didn't.....the Superpower at the time did.....Britain, and the other allies.
To say this has caused an enormous problem with the deportation of the Arabs that were already there was a recipe for disaster.
But then again the mentality of the rich and powerful then was normal people in the country didn't even matter, we lived by "out leave" and were able to be drafted into the wars to go off and kill out neighbours on the basis of queen and country and we didn't even have right to say no!
If you were part of a family that somehow managed to avoid having someone blown to smithereens by artillery or cut in half with a machine gun for queen and country, then the chances are you were in the ruling elite anyway.
So with this in mind it's easy to explain the mentality that if we don't even matter to the powers that be, Arabs meant even less to them, and their was nothing having with a patch of desert out their anyway( to coin a phrase).
When you have Jewish American officials running the peace process like say Henry Kissinger, or Madeleine Albright what on earth the chances are for a positive outcome that would appear balanced for both parties. I'd say Zero was a fair guess.
It's time to be reasonable, fair minded and considrate, and that means the rabbid Jew and maniac fundamentalist Muslim putting down their weapons, sitting down and being FAIR!
I have the solution, peace....and living together in an equal society.
One day someone with a real backbone will stand up to the manics and pressure groups and say, peace or else the funding and military aid stops.
You watch how fast peace will happen if the aid stops.
Not all Jewish people are hell bent on killing as many Arabs and would like to peacefully co exist.
There was a time when rational thought was and would be appreciated, but when it comes to Israel and the Palestinians it seems history has been forgotten, somehow the Jews with the resources, the military backing and the propaganda behind them forgot that the Allied countries gave them the land after world war one.
God didn't.....the Superpower at the time did.....Britain, and the other allies.
To say this has caused an enormous problem with the deportation of the Arabs that were already there was a recipe for disaster.
But then again the mentality of the rich and powerful then was normal people in the country didn't even matter, we lived by "out leave" and were able to be drafted into the wars to go off and kill out neighbours on the basis of queen and country and we didn't even have right to say no!
If you were part of a family that somehow managed to avoid having someone blown to smithereens by artillery or cut in half with a machine gun for queen and country, then the chances are you were in the ruling elite anyway.
So with this in mind it's easy to explain the mentality that if we don't even matter to the powers that be, Arabs meant even less to them, and their was nothing having with a patch of desert out their anyway( to coin a phrase).
When you have Jewish American officials running the peace process like say Henry Kissinger, or Madeleine Albright what on earth the chances are for a positive outcome that would appear balanced for both parties. I'd say Zero was a fair guess.
It's time to be reasonable, fair minded and considrate, and that means the rabbid Jew and maniac fundamentalist Muslim putting down their weapons, sitting down and being FAIR!
I have the solution, peace....and living together in an equal society.
One day someone with a real backbone will stand up to the manics and pressure groups and say, peace or else the funding and military aid stops.
You watch how fast peace will happen if the aid stops.
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Sparky55: That's an interesting point. I've always considered this a family squabble and from my experiance, it's never good to find oneself in the middle of a family squabble.
Except that 'the family' is now pretty flippin big Sparky
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First of all,,,not pro Israel fan,,,,am sociologist by degree,,,so,,,I do try to be objective.
Hamas provoked this with all their rockets and mortars into Israel for weeks.
Israel soaked this up and finally said,,,enough is enough and retaliated.
Now if you are up on your news, Hamas wanted Israel to commit to a ground war ,,,,and that is what is happening now. But Israel knows it can not or would have a hard time with city Guerrilla warfare.
So,,,presently they are splitting up the city aka supply routes to keep the rockets and mortars from being sent to Israel.
Yes, is unfortunate bout civilian casualties, but think,,,they instigated this,,,,
This is not genocide,,,,just ,,,,,
Anyway,,,,get your facts straight about these religious fanatics,,,
oh,,,what a concept,,,what if in america,,,all the religions were at war with each other,,,,wouldn't that be a stitch,,,,but we aren't.
Gaza needs to be absorbed for once and for all,,,to have a small sanction of state surrounded and instigating trouble all the time,,,,
Would be like Cuba sending missles to Florida and we did nothing,,,,
Think about it...
and yes I have lived overseas for YEARS,,,,can you say that,,,,
Frickin spoiled Amerikanos,,,,,,well,,,ur getting me started,,,now i stop
Hamas provoked this with all their rockets and mortars into Israel for weeks.
Israel soaked this up and finally said,,,enough is enough and retaliated.
Now if you are up on your news, Hamas wanted Israel to commit to a ground war ,,,,and that is what is happening now. But Israel knows it can not or would have a hard time with city Guerrilla warfare.
So,,,presently they are splitting up the city aka supply routes to keep the rockets and mortars from being sent to Israel.
Yes, is unfortunate bout civilian casualties, but think,,,they instigated this,,,,
This is not genocide,,,,just ,,,,,
Anyway,,,,get your facts straight about these religious fanatics,,,
oh,,,what a concept,,,what if in america,,,all the religions were at war with each other,,,,wouldn't that be a stitch,,,,but we aren't.
Gaza needs to be absorbed for once and for all,,,to have a small sanction of state surrounded and instigating trouble all the time,,,,
Would be like Cuba sending missles to Florida and we did nothing,,,,
Think about it...
and yes I have lived overseas for YEARS,,,,can you say that,,,,
Frickin spoiled Amerikanos,,,,,,well,,,ur getting me started,,,now i stop
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In regards to the posting that you made that spoke of the stone throwing incident, Just a comment below for something for you to pause and give some thought to. There are 2 sides to every situation and both must be heard equally.
If someone threw rocks and stones at you with the hope to maim or kill you and you had a stronger weapon in your hands to put a stop to it, I sure hope you would not just stand there and let yourself get stoned to death while they are protesting in the name of democracy and self determination.
And if you didn't have a stronger weapon but only had stones and rocks to throw back, would you just stand there, run, or throw them back to try to get them to stop?