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Jan 5, 2009 11:47 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
leolove1
leolove1leolove1The Hague, South Holland Netherlands92 Posts
I do not know what other people might think, I do not feel better than them , I just see how primitive these people are and feel sorry for the problems they cause themselves by their primitive reactions , so they have to learn from their mistakes , same like we got wiser by ours
Antjo39: I do not like them either... but do not you think that many (not all but many) Israelis and Westerners think they are better than the Arabs (especially of those poor ones living in Palestine) Well, you sounded like that to my ears. And sorry if I have been wrong.
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Jan 5, 2009 11:50 PM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
leolove1
leolove1leolove1The Hague, South Holland Netherlands92 Posts
and all the Irish have to come back from Australia and U.S.laugh
dinncat: I think we have talked enough ,time for work ,Israel is only using the rockets and Hamas , as an excuse , they just need more land , less Palestinians, its a security matter ,Israel will never have security as long as Palistinians are around the corner , there will never be a peace treaty with any Palistinenians there for , all that believe that Israel is killing the palisteinians just for their own good must now act cut every thing to do with Israel ,sever all communication business that directly pore money onto Israel ,time to act enough blah blah blah , let us all stand for humanity and do something for the right of humans ,Zionists ,have to go home where ever they came from ,


where do they get their oil from ,
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Jan 6, 2009 12:01 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
dinncat: I think we have talked enough ,time for work ,Israel is only using the rockets and Hamas , as an excuse , they just need more land , less Palestinians, its a security matter ,Israel will never have security as long as Palistinians are around the corner , there will never be a peace treaty with any Palistinenians there for , all that believe that Israel is killing the palisteinians just for their own good must now act cut every thing to do with Israel ,sever all communication business that directly pore money onto Israel ,time to act enough blah blah blah , let us all stand for humanity and do something for the right of humans ,Zionists ,have to go home where ever they came from ,


where do they get their oil from ,


I was just going to go to sleep but I decided to check the last post and here is my addition to what all Jew-Zionist haters should also boycott especially since you seem to very very insistent on having everyone suddenly start boycotting. Courtesy of the late Sam Levinson.

"It's a free world. You don't have to like Jews, but if you don't, I suggest that you boycott certain Jewish products like insulin..discovered by Dr Minkoski, the vaccine for hepatitis...discovered by Baruch Blumberg, chlorhydrate for convulsions...discovered by Dr. J. Von Liebig, the Wasserman test for syphillis, streptomycin...discovered by Dr. Selman Abraham Waxman, the polio pill by Dr. Albert Sabin...and the polio vaccine by Dr. Jonas Salk.
Good!Boycott! But fanaticism requires that all bigots accept diabetes, hepatitis, convulsions, syphillis, infectious diseases and polio. You want to be mad? Be mad! But I'm telling you, you ain't going to feel so good."

Good night to all now. May you all have a pleasanat day or evening.
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Jan 6, 2009 12:03 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
dinncat
dinncatdinncatlimerick, Limerick Ireland15 Threads 183 Posts
Well if they go about not respecting people and they go about killing yes they should ,
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Jan 6, 2009 12:07 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
dinncat
dinncatdinncatlimerick, Limerick Ireland15 Threads 183 Posts
no i like jews good jews wouldn't kill my best friend is a jew from Poland
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Jan 6, 2009 12:14 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
dinncat
dinncatdinncatlimerick, Limerick Ireland15 Threads 183 Posts
My Doctor was a jew too until i moved ,to the city he was my doctor for more then 8 years and both Yacob and Doctor Ivor we have discussed the issues and they know what iam talking a bout their are many many jews would not agree with what Israel is doing ,do you know where the arab jew stand in an Israely community
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Jan 6, 2009 1:11 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Well I'll have to think a little deeper on my motivations then...

make love, not war..........love, love, love...........all you need is lovekiss purple heart heart wings teddybear yay love smitten thumbs up wave peace peace
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Jan 6, 2009 1:58 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Drewski
DrewskiDrewskiOlds, Alberta Canada9 Threads 343 Posts
Rocket
In response to: all you need is love


Actually more like common sense for those you love. Classical Greek warfare is inevitable consequences and Hamas fails to understand this preferring to sacrifice those they love to hate their enemy.

Their enemy inevitably takes the land from which they attck them from and uses it as a buffer zone so that further attacks cannot occur from there. Later, as things settle down, settlers place pressure on the Israeli government to take that land and use it rather than turn it back to those that would use it to attack once again.

It's inevitable, when rockets are fired, Israel must respond and stop it, the land from which attacks come from must not be returned to be used for further attacks. And so, Gaza will grow smaller and smaller. Attacks will occur again and then, they will once again be pushed into a smaller area.

Of course, for Palestinians, negotiations based on peace are out of the question because they have world opinion on their side. World opinion that does not take into account that if they were attacked, they would do anything to stop those who were attacking them and in fact, demand that the government that they pay taxes to stop it no matter what even if it means others die. Meanwhile, settlers will profit from the land they used to kill from until common sense prevails.

Egypt, Jordan and now Syria understands all this. Palestinians do as well and, so does Hamas however, like Al Qaeda, they need this conflict to remain a respected force.

A force for agitation to propagate their hold on power as Israelis would give anything for peace except their lives.
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Jan 6, 2009 3:54 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
Drewski: Rocket

Actually more like common sense for those you love. Classical Greek warfare is inevitable consequences and Hamas fails to understand this preferring to sacrifice those they love to hate their enemy.

Their enemy inevitably takes the land from which they attck them from and uses it as a buffer zone so that further attacks cannot occur from there. Later, as things settle down, settlers place pressure on the Israeli government to take that land and use it rather than turn it back to those that would use it to attack once again.

It's inevitable, when rockets are fired, Israel must respond and stop it, the land from which attacks come from must not be returned to be used for further attacks. And so, Gaza will grow smaller and smaller. Attacks will occur again and then, they will once again be pushed into a smaller area.

Of course, for Palestinians, negotiations based on peace are out of the question because they have world opinion on their side. World opinion that does not take into account that if they were attacked, they would do anything to stop those who were attacking them and in fact, demand that the government that they pay taxes to stop it no matter what even if it means others die. Meanwhile, settlers will profit from the land they used to kill from until common sense prevails.

Egypt, Jordan and now Syria understands all this. Palestinians do as well and, so does Hamas however, like Al Qaeda, they need this conflict to remain a respected force.

A force for agitation to propagate their hold on power as Israelis would give anything for peace except their lives.



thanks for the info, but i was actually refering to hugs and kisses and antjo's funny flirting thing, after they had debated previous points.....please view my previous posts, i'm not a delusional hippy, lmao
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Jan 6, 2009 4:16 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
leolove1: if I do not like the place where I am , I would just go and find a better place , that is better for my children. Better live a happy life with my kids then a bitter life with no kids


Yeah, I like my neighbor's house more than my own.
I think I'll go move in at gunpoint.
And if he doesn't like it, he can always go find some other place to live.

After all, my ancestors the dinosaurs used to roam this entire planet, so rightfully it's all mine.
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Jan 6, 2009 4:19 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Baskaladd: What do you think about Hammas storing bombs in their homes where there are little children present? When Israel goes in for a raid, they precisely target where the bombs are, well, it's too bad that it just so happens that those bombs are stored in someone's private home! Maybe they should think twice about where to store them! Poor kids. Yeah, but stupid parents.
thumbs up

Kids make great shields and make for great tv footage when they are turned into victims by their parents.
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Jan 6, 2009 4:48 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
nora83
nora83nora83Amman, Jordan3 Threads 113 Posts
linarl: Just because I speak the language and I read the history of the area I want to explain something. When they chant the motto (it is an ugly motto anyway) above in Gaza or any arab country it is not directed toward Jews or Judiasm as a religion. It is directed toward the Israelis who accepted to move into a land that it is not theirs and accepted the killing that has been going on since Israelis occupied Palestinians'lands in 1948 till this day. This struggle is not between religions and never has been. It is a struggle over a land as simple as it is. I think many Jews understand this fact and that is why you find many groups support the Palestinian in their case.



very smart ,, its not a matter of religion , its a matter of principles, political views , in the name of religion, they said isreal was istablished bcz they lived here 2000 years ago , and the " land was a gift from God ' , while if you read more about the israeli society , you will find out that the majority of israelis living in Palestine now , are Atheists, so how can you take a lnd by the name of religion and saying that it was a gift from GOD , while you are actually Atheist, thats shows that it a a game. after the WWII , the worls found out that they dont want the JEWS to live with them , they decided to gather them and istablish them a country , in the name of religion , all faked !
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Jan 6, 2009 4:57 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
nora83
nora83nora83Amman, Jordan3 Threads 113 Posts
alikhan90301: Punishment doesn't fit the crime. hahah those rockets are a joke....but those israleiz missiles are NO Joke.



thats the double standards dear , thanks for posting
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Jan 6, 2009 5:03 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
nora83
nora83nora83Amman, Jordan3 Threads 113 Posts
Maelstrom: In a war, civilians are killed!! Thus the term, 'War is hell'!! I would hazard a guess that 99% of all countries have killed civilians during wars in their past. Also, how many Israelis civilians have been killed in the past 60 years, hmmmm?



how many Israelis civilians have been killed in the past 60 years ??!! well , i would ask its on the other way around , how many Palestinians have been killed , i can guarantee its much more your mind can imagine , how many Palestinians had to leave the country and live as refugee . i think you need to read more sir , not only the israelis documments.
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Jan 6, 2009 5:08 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
m1a1a12
m1a1a12m1a1a12tacoma, Washington USA9 Posts
look here is the deal.

If you play with fire your going to get burned.

They have been killing each other since the biblical days.

you cant change that.

there by the grace of god it is not you.
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Jan 6, 2009 5:08 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
nora83
nora83nora83Amman, Jordan3 Threads 113 Posts
leolove1: what's the point?
arabs and muslims are coming with thousands to live in america, Australia and Europe and cause many problems there , so why can't the jewish come to Israel?
If we do not like the Moslems to come , should we also terrorize them and blowing ourself up in busses , so that they have to defend themselves making strict rules and keep us out of our own country or building big walls to protect themselves?



you can come to live in a country sir , even spend yr life time there , but not accupy it , not to kill its ppl , true , arabs are speard world wide , some of us are living in the States , but never accupied it , and killed its ppl to take their country , there is a big difference !
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Jan 6, 2009 6:11 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
cosmicwonderer
cosmicwonderercosmicwondererstockholm, Stockholm Sweden1 Threads 107 Posts
RayfromUSA: Well said.

The "backward" indigenous people managed to live in very harsh climates for many millenia without polluting the land and without genocidal wars.

When such wars exist it is often due to some more "advanced" civilization trying to get rid of the peaceful indigenous people and steal their land.

Hi there Ray. just woke up. Nice to see yuo`re still on track. Don`t move from this track please...you`re needed. You`ll make an excellent soccer referee.
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Jan 6, 2009 7:52 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Jewish Criticism of Zionism

“Albert Einstein — ‘I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish State. Apart from practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish State,with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain’...

“Professor Erich Fromm, a noted Jewish writer and thinker, ...’In general international law, the principle holds true that no citizen loses his property or his rights of citizenship; and the citizenship right is de facto a right to which the Arabs in Israel have much more legitimacy than the Jews. Just because the Arabs fled? Since when is that punishable by confiscation of property, and by being barred from returning to the land on which a people’s forefathers have lived for generations? Thus, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel cannot be a realistic claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territory in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse...I believe that, politically speaking, there is only one solution for Israel, namely, the unilateral acknowledgement of the obligation of the State towards the Arabs — not to use it as a bargaining point, but to acknowledge the complete moral obligation of the Israeli State to its former inhabitants of Palestine’...

“Nathan Chofshi — ‘Only an internal revolution can have the power to heal our people of their murderous sickness of causeless hatred...It is bound to bring complete ruin upon us. Only then will the old and young in our land realize how great was our responsibility to those miserable Arab refugees in whose towns we have settled Jews who were brought here from afar; whose homes we have inherited, whose fields we now sow and harvest; the fruits of whose gardens, orchards and vineyards we gather; and in whose cities that we robbed we put up houses of education, charity, and prayer, while we babble and rave about being the “People of the Book” and the “light of the nations”’...

“In an article published in the Washington Post of 3 October 1978, Rabbi Hirsch (of Jerusalem) is reported to have declared: ‘The 12th principle of our faith, I believe, is that the Messiah will gather the Jewish exiled who are dispersed throughout the nations of the world. Zionism is diametrically opposed to Judaism. Zionism wishes to define the Jewish people as a nationalistic entity. The Zionists say, in effect, ‘Look here, God. We do not like exile. Take us back, and if you don’t, we’ll just roll up our sleeves and take ourselves back.’ ‘The Rabbi continues: ‘This, of course, is heresy. The Jewish people are charged by Divine oath not to force themselves back to the Holy Land against the wishes of those residing there.’” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

Jewish Criticism — continued

“A Jewish Home in Palestine built up on bayonets and oppression not worth having, even though it succeed, whereas the very attempt to build it up peacefully, cooperatively, with understanding, education, and good will, worth a great deal even though the attempt should fail.” Rabbi Judah L. Magnes, first president of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, quoted in “Like All The Nations?”, ed. Brinner & Rischin.
Martin Buber on what Zionism should have been


(Cont'd)....wine
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Jan 6, 2009 7:53 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
“The first fact is that at the time when we entered into an alliance (an alliance, I admit, that was not well defined) with a European state and we provided that state with a claim to rule over Palestine, we made no attempt to reach an agreement with the Arabs of this land regarding the basis and conditions for the continuation of Jewish settlement.

This negative approach caused those Arabs who thought about and were concerned about the future of their people to see us increasingly not as a group which desired to live in cooperation with their people but as something in the nature of uninvited guests and agents of foreign interests (at the time I explicitly pointed out this fact).


“The second fact is that we took hold of the key economic positions in the country without compensating the Arab population, that is to say without allowing their capital and their labor a share in our economic activity. Paying the large landowners for purchases made or paying compensation to tenants on the land is not the same as compensating a people. As a result, many of the more thoughtful Arabs viewed the advance of Jewish settlement as a kind of plot designed to dispossess future generations of their people of the land necessary for their existence and development. Only by means of a comprehensive and vigorous economic policy aimed at organizing and developing common interests would it have been possible to contend with this view and its inevitable consequences. This we did not do.

“The third fact is that when a possibility arose that the Mandate would soon be terminated, not only did we not propose to the Arab population of the country that a joint Jewish Arab administration be set up in its place, we went ahead and demanded rule over the whole country (the Biltmore program) as a fitting political sequel to the gains we had already made. By this step, we with our own hands provided our enemies in the Arab camp with aid and comfort of the most valuable sort — the support of public opinion — without which the military attack launched against us would not have been possible. For it now appears to the Arab populace that in carrying on the activities we have been engaged in for years, in acquiring land and in working and developing the land, we were systematically laying the ground work for gaining control of the whole country.” Martin Buber, quoted in “A Land of Two Peoples” ed. Mendes-Flohr


Israel’s new historians now refute myths of the founding of the state


“Since the 1980’s,.....Israeli scholars concurred with their Palestinian counterparts that Zionism was...carried out as a pure colonialist act against the local population: a mixture of exploitation and expropriation...

“They were motivated to present a revisionist point of view to a large extent by the declassification of relevant archival material in Israel, Britain and the United States. [For example,]...

Challenging the Myth of Annihilation — The new historiographical picture is a fundamental challenge to the official history that says the Jewish community faced possible annihilation on the eve of the 1948 war. Archival documents expose a fragmented Arab world wrought by dismay and confusion and a Palestinian community that possessed no military ability with which to frighten the Jews...

(Cont'd)....wine
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Jan 6, 2009 8:38 AM CST Gaza !! Israel kills civilians ,, among international silence .. What do you think ? share !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
rocketqueen: hehehe.....i think we all need to get around the peacepipe and smoke it................



I think soooooo too...Just think and Inca and a Mohawk could rule the world...or at least Peru....wave wink hug kiss hug heart beating laugh
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