ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL. (595)

Aug 29, 2011 7:21 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
springnight
springnightspringnighthamm, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany33 Posts
patmac: Still no reply as yet....

Anyone care to comment ????


If you want to discuss lands stolen by others than Israel, i suggest you start a new thread with that title, beside did you hear Palestinians complain about that if it would really exist. FACT is Israel occupied and stolen land belongs to others, that why we see conflict still exist between Palestinians and Israelians.
You are trying again to divert others from the main FACT which is very simple and clear to all "Jews came mainly from Europe and America and occupied Land thousands of mile far away which doesn't belong to them" You always debating consequences and you never admit this fact.
and please don't bring UN resolutions as an evidence, you know clearly, Israel accepts only what suit her and reject that doesn't ...for Israel, those resolutions are more or less a food menu, take what you feel to take...
Aug 29, 2011 8:59 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
springnight: If you want to discuss lands stolen by others than Israel, i suggest you start a new thread with that title, beside did you hear Palestinians complain about that if it would really exist. FACT is Israel occupied and stolen land belongs to others, that why we see conflict still exist between Palestinians and Israelians.
You are trying again to divert others from the main FACT which is very simple and clear to all "Jews came mainly from Europe and America and occupied Land thousands of mile far away which doesn't belong to them" You always debating consequences and you never admit this fact.
and please don't bring UN resolutions as an evidence, you know clearly, Israel accepts only what suit her and reject that doesn't ...for Israel, those resolutions are more or less a food menu, take what you feel to take...


You don't recognize the predating of Jewish and Christian artifacts that were in the Holy Land 100s of year before Mohammed the Prophet lived?
Aug 29, 2011 9:41 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
springnight: If you want to discuss lands stolen by others than Israel, i suggest you start a new thread with that title, beside did you hear Palestinians complain about that if it would really exist. FACT is Israel occupied and stolen land belongs to others, that why we see conflict still exist between Palestinians and Israelians.
You are trying again to divert others from the main FACT which is very simple and clear to all "Jews came mainly from Europe and America and occupied Land thousands of mile far away which doesn't belong to them" You always debating consequences and you never admit this fact.
and please don't bring UN resolutions as an evidence, you know clearly, Israel accepts only what suit her and reject that doesn't ...for Israel, those resolutions are more or less a food menu, take what you feel to take...


Let us flip the your post a little. Were do you think Molsems came from? Do you think that all 1.5b Moslems in the world to have a direct lineage to Mohammed the Prophet? That is what they claim. Yes? They have to or the Sharia Law comes into play and they are considered apostates...suitable for death.

If you buy that....then you deny the three times that Monguls rode thru much of Islam. The spreading of both the Jewish and Christan communities thru Central Asia regions prior to Prophet life.

See here is where modern dNA advances clobbers the Moslem lineage claims to Mohammed the prophet.

I going to share some very interesting information at this point. We did a time line study comparing Islamic Terrorsims acts to western dNA adcances. 12 time going back to 1967, each time you have major advance in dNA, you had a spike in Islamic terrorism.

Then to top it all off. Was the US human genome program of the 1990s.
A three stage program of $3b. To develop research facilities around the world using modern dNA methods in famalia, medical, and other uses.
Of the 54 Moslem counties in the world....only little Kuwait developed a human dNA test program. A little old Kuwait that was later invaded by one Sadam Hussien and had this dNA processing facility totally destroyed. Interesting yes? But the rest of them refused the US funds to develop in house dNA program to do criminal, famalia and medical dNA research studies. They will use it animal breeding and plant studies and from human reproduction (Invtrio). But familia studies? no.

It gets even better.

The three dates of the US Human Genome program were 1990 (intial Congressional funding), 1993 mid term and 1998. It was a to be a 12 year program but shorten down.

In 1998 Islamic terrorism skyrocketed with alQeada attacks on the US Africa Embassies, the USS Cole bombing, and other event attackas arond the world. 3 years before 911. Years before US military operations in Irag and Afghanistan.

Ain't interesting?

One last piece of the puzzle. Bobby Kennedy killed by Sirhan Sirhan in 1968. Bobby Kennedy once said...."I have read the studies of genetic studies on white and black in America and one day a Black man will be President of the United States." Bobby Kennedy was a big proponent of genitics and dNA research....had he been elected President it likely that the Human Genome program would have begun decades earlier.

Ain't that something?
Aug 29, 2011 9:42 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
springnight: If you want to discuss lands stolen by others than Israel, i suggest you start a new thread with that title, beside did you hear Palestinians complain about that if it would really exist. FACT is Israel occupied and stolen land belongs to others, that why we see conflict still exist between Palestinians and Israelians.
You are trying again to divert others from the main FACT which is very simple and clear to all "Jews came mainly from Europe and America and occupied Land thousands of mile far away which doesn't belong to them" You always debating consequences and you never admit this fact.
and please don't bring UN resolutions as an evidence, you know clearly, Israel accepts only what suit her and reject that doesn't ...for Israel, those resolutions are more or less a food menu, take what you feel to take...


Let us flip the your post a little. Were do you think Molsems came from? Do you think that all 1.5b Moslems in the world to have a direct lineage to Mohammed the Prophet? That is what they claim. Yes? They have to or the Sharia Law comes into play and they are considered apostates...suitable for death.

If you buy that....then you deny the three times that Monguls rode thru much of Islam. The spreading of both the Jewish and Christan communities thru Central Asia regions prior to Prophet life.

See here is where modern dNA advances clobbers the Moslem lineage claims to Mohammed the prophet.

I going to share some very interesting information at this point. We did a time line study comparing Islamic Terrorsims acts to western dNA adcances. 12 time going back to 1967, each time you have major advance in dNA, you had a spike in Islamic terrorism.

Then to top it all off. Was the US human genome program of the 1990s.
A three stage program of $3b. To develop research facilities around the world using modern dNA methods in famalia, medical, and other uses.
Of the 54 Moslem counties in the world....only little Kuwait developed a human dNA test program. A little old Kuwait that was later invaded by one Sadam Hussien and had this dNA processing facility totally destroyed. Interesting yes? But the rest of them refused the US funds to develop in house dNA program to do criminal, famalia and medical dNA research studies. They will use it animal breeding and plant studies and from human reproduction (Invtrio). But familia studies? no.

It gets even better.

The three dates of the US Human Genome program were 1990 (intial Congressional funding), 1993 mid term and 1998. It was a to be a 12 year program but shorten down.

In 1998 Islamic terrorism skyrocketed with alQeada attacks on the US Africa Embassies, the USS Cole bombing, and other event attackas arond the world. 3 years before 911. Years before US military operations in Irag and Afghanistan.

Ain't interesting?

One last piece of the puzzle. Bobby Kennedy killed by Sirhan Sirhan in 1968. Bobby Kennedy once said...."I have read the studies of genetic studies on white and black in America and one day a Black man will be President of the United States." Bobby Kennedy was a big proponent of genitics and dNA research....had he been elected President it likely that the Human Genome program would have begun decades earlier.

Ain't that something?
Aug 29, 2011 9:44 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
springnight
springnightspringnighthamm, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany33 Posts
ttom500: You don't recognize the predating of Jewish and Christian artifacts that were in the Holy Land 100s of year before Mohammed the Prophet lived?


What it has to do with Islam?? Palestinians were living there, among them were Christians and Jews, They all belong to same ethnic group...what happened later? some stay Jews, other convert to Christian and some other converted to Islam...The question is: what right those people have? those who came in their boats for thousands of miles trip...and for what!! to steal others land!
Aug 29, 2011 9:52 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
springnight: If you want to discuss lands stolen by others than Israel, i suggest you start a new thread with that title, beside did you hear Palestinians complain about that if it would really exist. FACT is Israel occupied and stolen land belongs to others, that why we see conflict still exist between Palestinians and Israelians.
You are trying again to divert others from the main FACT which is very simple and clear to all "Jews came mainly from Europe and America and occupied Land thousands of mile far away which doesn't belong to them" You always debating consequences and you never admit this fact.
and please don't bring UN resolutions as an evidence, you know clearly, Israel accepts only what suit her and reject that doesn't ...for Israel, those resolutions are more or less a food menu, take what you feel to take...
You need to stop posting Refuse and and show some Facts!
The Land did not belong to anyone,until the UN apportioned it!
Ottomans had ceased to exist,and with it the Ownership of Public Land!
Israelis had purchased quite a Bit of it,so where is the Theft?
You are woefully misinformed,and have yet to field more than "The Land Was Stolen"!doh
You have a serious Issue with Jews!It shows through every post you make!
But I guess you're in good Company here,with OP and some of the Others!!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 29, 2011 9:53 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729: ""Waiting for Goddot""???? if you have any idea what that means,without Google in it.
Well,if it isn't Sir Barfalot!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 29, 2011 10:53 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Conrad73: You need to stop posting Refuse and and show some Facts!
The Land did not belong to anyone,until the UN apportioned it!
Ottomans had ceased to exist,and with it the Ownership of Public Land!
Israelis had purchased quite a Bit of it,so where is the Theft?
You are woefully misinformed,and have yet to field more than "The Land Was Stolen"!
You have a serious Issue with Jews!It shows through every post you make!
But I guess you're in good Company here,with OP and some of the Others!!
So,with the colapsed of the Ottomans,all the land the Ottomans left behind in the region, belonged to nobody.So Modern nowdays Iragis,Syrians Jordanians,Lebanise,Egyptians,Lybians,Palestinians(Arabs,Christians,Jews)they were given new DEEDS of owenships,by the ones with the Mandates.And you don't have a serious issue with your pro Israeli posts.Silly sad man.-The gang issues all correct,the Others all at fault.barf barf barf barf
Aug 29, 2011 10:56 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
springnight: What it has to do with Islam?? Palestinians were living there, among them were Christians and Jews, They all belong to same ethnic group...what happened later? some stay Jews, other convert to Christian and some other converted to Islam...The question is: what right those people have? those who came in their boats for thousands of miles trip...and for what!! to steal others land!


If the Palestine were there as early as the Jewish and Christian then you have a arguement. But the simple fact is when the Jewish entered the Holy Land after the wandering the desert for 40 years, they did not find or encounter Palestines. They met instead the Phillistines, the Mobites, and number of other ancient ites tribes. But no Palestines. And Mohemmed the Prophet was still 2600 years into the future.

Then later....during the time of Christ....Palestine was a small village on the Gaelleon sea. From that you have the terms Palestines being used in the New Testament. To denote these villagers that hailed from a small area on the Gaellon Sea.

But even they were few in number. Likely less than a 1000.

No, the term Palestinian got it modern definition by one Yasser Arafat (a Arab Nationalist and Moslem), who returned to Jordan from Kuwait in 1965?. When he picked up the term to name his Palistine Liberation Organixation (PLO) with.

Till then you had the Jordan Royal Family, ruling a Moslem country. that included Jerasulem and the west bank. Those lands were taken from the Jews and Christian much earlier in time. Around 1200, I think.
That is why Islam comes into this.

Yasser Arafat just butted into a age old land dispute (between Jews, Christians and Moslems) and put his PLO into the middle of it. Knowing it would cause havoc and grief for years and years into the future with a fourth party being involved.

Today, many think that the Palestine were the original land holders of the West Bank and Isreal. But that only is true if they connect their lineage to those early 'ites' tribe conquered the Jews. dNA famalia studies can prove or disprove that.

But they ain't going to do it, because it would show that they don't have a linage to Mohammed the Prophet. They cannot have it both ways here. Either they came from the ancient ites tribe or they came from Mohammed the Prophet. Those early ites tribes did not believe in a single God, but in various man made Gods of the time. And God gave Joshua the order to destroy all ite tribes and their idol Gods.

So it is a real catch 22 for them.....either they should be destroyed en mass for being part of the 'ites tribes' or they lose claim to the West Bank and Palestine because they come from a lineage to Mohammed, the Prophet.
Aug 29, 2011 10:58 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Conrad73: Well,if it isn't Sir Barfalot!
The man who hasn't pride,what he is,your conditions is getting worst every day.barf barf barf
Aug 29, 2011 11:00 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729: The man who hasn't pride,what he is,your conditions is getting worst every day.barf barf barf
Better look at yourself,Barfy!
You are the one puking all over this Place!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 29, 2011 11:11 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
ttom500:

No, the term Palestinian got it modern definition by one Yasser Arafat (a Arab Nationalist and Moslem), who returned to Jordan from Kuwait in 1965?. When he picked up the term to name his Palistine Liberation Organixation (PLO) with.

Don't be a joker. The term Palestinians pre existed the Ottoman occupiers,during the Ottomans and during the British Mandate."British Mandate for Palestine" ring a bell to you.
Aug 29, 2011 11:14 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729: Don't be a joker. The term Palestinians pre existed the Ottoman occupiers,during the Ottomans and during the British Mandate."British Mandate for Palestine" ring a bell to you.
Malarky!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 29, 2011 11:16 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729: ""Waiting for Goddot""???? if you have any idea what that means,without Google in it.
which one are you,Vladimir or Estragon?rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 29, 2011 11:17 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Conrad73: Better look at yourself,Barfy!
You are the one puking all over this Place!
If am going to offer you lombester,are you going to puke???barf barf barf Why you are pro-Jewish and Pro-Israeli????barf barf barf
Aug 29, 2011 11:20 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Conrad73: which one are you,Vladimir or Estragon?
You are a cheater,you Google it.-barf barf barf
Aug 29, 2011 11:34 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729: If am going to offer you lombester,are you going to puke??? Why you are pro-Jewish and Pro-Israeli????barf barf barf barf barf barf
rolling on the floor laughing
It makes you BARF!yay
Aug 29, 2011 11:36 AM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729: You are a cheater,you Google it.-barf barf barf
you must be Vlad The Barfer!rolling on the floor laughing
Aug 29, 2011 12:53 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
springnight
springnightspringnighthamm, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany33 Posts
Conrad73: You need to stop posting Refuse and and show some Facts!
The Land did not belong to anyone,until the UN apportioned it!
Ottomans had ceased to exist,and with it the Ownership of Public Land!

Israelis had purchased quite a Bit of it,so where is the Theft?
You are woefully misinformed,and have yet to field more than "The Land Was Stolen"!
You have a serious Issue with Jews!It shows through every post you make!
But I guess you're in good Company here,with OP and some of the Others!!


It is not surprising anyone when such LIES come from such mouth...
Someone who already showed himself clearly to all with his famous statement
"I'm unconditionally supporting Israel"
@all rights reserved..

Aug 29, 2011 12:55 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
springnight: If you want to discuss lands stolen by others than Israel, i suggest you start a new thread with that title, beside did you hear Palestinians complain about that if it would really exist. FACT is Israel occupied and stolen land belongs to others, that why we see conflict still exist between Palestinians and Israelians.
You are trying again to divert others from the main FACT which is very simple and clear to all "Jews came mainly from Europe and America and occupied Land thousands of mile far away which doesn't belong to them" You always debating consequences and you never admit this fact.
and please don't bring UN resolutions as an evidence, you know clearly, Israel accepts only what suit her and reject that doesn't ...for Israel, those resolutions are more or less a food menu, take what you feel to take...


Both sides in this argument ignore UN resolutions...

Fact is I asked why not one of you has said anything disparaging about the way Arab states stole land and displaced so many "Palestinian folk" As yet not one person has addressed this question.

Why ???

And Chris "Waiting for Godot" is a rather intense and I find tiresome play....Boring really like your posts with the weebarf barf

Now anyone care to discuss the point and effect that this stolen land would have on any discussion.....grin cheers
Aug 29, 2011 12:58 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
chris27292729: So,with the colapsed of the Ottomans,all the land the Ottomans left behind in the region, belonged to nobody.So Modern nowdays Iragis,Syrians Jordanians,Lebanise,Egyptians,Lybians,Palestinians(Arabs,Christians,Jews)they were given new DEEDS of owenships,by the ones with the Mandates.And you don't have a serious issue with your pro Israeli posts.Silly sad man.-The gang issues all correct,the Others all at fault.


Do you note the country he has missed out...ISRAEL.....Does that show a bias Chris....Seem like it to me grin
Aug 29, 2011 1:24 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Conrad73: Malarky!
Through this "Malarky" they settle therebarf barf
Aug 29, 2011 1:41 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
patmac: Do you note the country he has missed out...ISRAEL.....Does that show a bias Chris....Seem like it to me
What Israel??? What Bias???? The Ottomans in 1918 they left a piece of Land called Palestine. The "British Mandate for Palestine" given the land with the name Palestine.- The Jewish settlers,the land given to them, named it Israel.
Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
chris27292729: What Israel??? What Bias???? The Ottomans in 1918 they left a piece of Land called Palestine. The "British Mandate for Palestine" given the land with the name Palestine.- The Jewish settlers,the land given to them, named it Israel.


And you missed ISRAEL of your list check below:

So,with the colapsed of the Ottomans,all the land the Ottomans left behind in the region, belonged to nobody.So Modern nowdays Iragis,Syrians Jordanians,Lebanise,Egyptians,Lybians,Palestinians(Arabs,Christians,Jews)they were given new DEEDS of owenships,by the ones with the Mandates.And you don't have a serious issue with your pro Israeli posts.Silly sad man.-The gang issues all correct,the Others all at fault.

Did you mention Israel???

And still no reply on the Arab states who STOLE LAND AND DISPLACED "Palestinian Folk"????

Biased or what???

grin cheers
Aug 29, 2011 1:58 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
springnight
springnightspringnighthamm, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany33 Posts
Everybody is invited to watch this...it explains the whole story...sad flower

Aug 29, 2011 2:16 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
springnight: Everybody is invited to watch this...it explains the whole story...



TOTAL PROPAGANA.....

You disregard the fact that the Arabs had land and would have kept it if they signed 181...In fact the Arabs had 80% of the Mandates...

This was not enough and they decided to attack in 1948 and LOST.....

Sadly this has gone on since and you along with others ignore the fact Arabs stole land from the folk who chose to throw their hand in with the losing side...Jordan, Syria, Lebanon all took land and have kept many of these folk displaced ever since then. Of course it suits them to use these folk as a club to beat Israel with....

So I wonder what would have been your attitude if Israel had lost???

Would you give them back the land???

Would you acknowledge their right to exist???

I rather doubt it.

Now Israel has won how many times???

Given back how much land ???

I did not see any charter or Israeli stating they would drive Palestinians or Arabs out and stop their existance...

Now how many tine in the past 60 years have ALL the various factions lined against Israel stated this...

So who is being the nasty lot here???

I support neither lot but I do have sympathy for the ONES WHO WERE ATTACKED IN THE FIRST PLACE.....Now who was that???grin cheers
Aug 29, 2011 2:18 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
chris27292729: What Israel??? What Bias???? The Ottomans in 1918 they left a piece of Land called Palestine. The "British Mandate for Palestine" given the land with the name Palestine.- The Jewish settlers,the land given to them, named it Israel.


Check again there was more than ONE MANDATE......Try the French you show such expertisegrin cheers
Aug 29, 2011 2:56 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
patmac: Check again there was more than ONE MANDATE......Try the French you show such expertise
So whats your point about the French Mandate???. Expertise have non,so do you,just because it happened to serve as a soldier in the area,does make you an expert????You claimed to be inpartial,IMO you are not at all,and you regard others borring,so you are also,for my liking.Gradually to be honest with you,you are loosing my respect,i used to have.Sad Mr. Sad indeed.sad flower One more thing,in my post amongst countries in the region,i mention Palestine and in brackets (Arabs,Jews,Christians)some Arabs are Christians,am sure you know this.Prove if the name Israel existed in the year 1918,the year the Ottomans left the area.-thumbs down
Aug 29, 2011 2:59 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
springnight: Everybody is invited to watch this...it explains the whole story...

Is THAT all your proof?
Aug 29, 2011 3:01 PM CST ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL.
chris27292729: Through this "Malarky" they settle therebarf barf
Like Barfy?rolling on the floor laughing

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