ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL. (595)

Interesting. Sort of like every other country on earth where when one is only temporary and not a citizen they are - well, only temporary.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Wondering though, since this area of the thread is discussing Jews and how many were accepted or turned away during the Holocaust, given that Greece helped send tens of thousands of their very own Jews to those camps and turned away zero (as Jews knew they would find little refuge in Greece) yet a small country like Switzerland allowed themselves to be overrun with refugees why the sudden blame on Switzerland for turning away people who sought refuge when other countries like Greece did nothing and, Australia actually put them in prison camps?

Well Ray, I guess you won't be citing any more garbage about Israel being wrong in any way shape or form as you just gave them a complete, utter, unforgiving carte blanche God given right to exist any way they want without conditions.

I'm sure that every Zionist on earth is bowing his or her head to you in thanks.

Myself, I thought you were a bit far off but, that's just me being impartial and logical. You of course are permitted to be against the UN and their impartiality however, when you are, you have to embrace statehood for the strong.

And to discuss anything intellectual with you, one had better bring rabbit ear antennae.

And Conrad was hardly in charge of the Swiss economy or immigration at age 5 so, both of you speak of history. His country took in huge amounts of refugees, yours not so may and those they did, they ended up in camps.

So if you don't advocate terrorism how can you object to the treatment of the entire government of the Palestinian people when they themselves are employing this tactic as a state policy?

And, if you feel diplomacy is the answer, possibly you might change your view when you read the Hamas Charter which is against this political method stating it outright that negotiations are useless.

Perhaps you might wish to do some research prior to posting again on this thread as it seems what you don't approve of is admitted to and, just as bad, if not worse on the Palestinian Government's side.

Nah. The million and a half dead people whom Saddam tortured and killed would be the bench mark for Galloway's approval for sure.

That you back him up here, after learning of what he was admiring is testament to what you believe. Something that sure isn't peace as in peace, this man killed more than he did in war.

I apologize, New Zealand didn't many Jewish refugees at all so there were hardly enough to put into camps.

The answer is obvious-religious intolerance of the 'Christ-Killers'.

When one studies the roots of western anti-semitism this belief lies at the core.

Norman Cantor and other twentieth century historians dispute the conventional idea that the Middle Ages was a uniformly difficult time for Jews. Early medieval society, before the Church became fully organized, was tolerant. Between 800 and 1100 there were 1.5 million Jews in Christian Europe. Not being Christian, they were not included as a division of the feudal system with clergy, knights and serfs; thus they were not included in the oppressive demands for labor and military conscription that made life miserable for most Christian commoners. In relations with the Christian society, they were protected by kings, princes and bishops, because of the crucial services they provided in three areas: financial, administrative and as doctors.Christian scholars interested in the Bible would even consult with Talmudic rabbis. All this changed with the reforms and strengthening of the Roman Catholic Church, especially the creations of the Franciscan and Dominican preaching monks, and the rise of envious and competitive middle-class, town-dwelling Christians. By 1300 the friars and local priests were using the Passion Plays at Easter time, which depicted Jews in contemporary dress killing Christ, to teach the general populace to hate and murder Jews. It was at this point that persecution and exile became endemic. Finally around 1500, Jews found security and a renewal of prosperity in Poland.

By and large, Jews were heavily persecuted in Christian Europe after 1300. Since they were the only people allowed to lend money for interest (forbidden to Catholics by the church), some Jews became prominent moneylenders. Christian rulers gradually saw the advantage of having a class of men like the Jews who could supply capital for their use without being liable to excommunication, and the money trade of western Europe by this means fell into the hands of the Jews. However, in almost every instance where large amounts were acquired by Jews through banking transactions the property thus acquired fell either during their life or upon their death into the hands of the king. Jews thus became imperial "servi cameræ," the property of the King, who might present them and their possessions to princes or cities.

Jews were frequently massacred and exiled from various European countries. The persecution hit its first peak during the Crusades. In the First Crusade (1096) flourishing communities on the Rhine and the Danube were utterly destroyed; see German Crusade, 1096. In the Second Crusade (1147) the Jews in France were subject to frequent massacres. The Jews were also subjected to attacks by the Shepherds' Crusades of 1251 and 1320. The Crusades were followed by expulsions, including in, 1290, the banishing of all English Jews; in 1396, 100,000 Jews were expelled from France; and, in 1421 thousands were expelled from Austria. Over this time many Jews of Europe, either fleeing or being expelled, migrated to Poland, where they prospered into another Golden Age....

Religious intolerance had a lot to do with all sorts of Jewish persecutions and follow the money trail to see the reason for most of the rest Ray. It was much cheaper to kill them and run them off than pay them back for loans, especially very large loans.

They are scum? Evil? Satan? Slime dogs?

Hell Ray, don't hold back, tell us what it is outright. Unless of course you have no real clue and are just mouthing off with your unsubstantiated.

So, without further ado, Ray is going to tell us all why joos are the scum of the earth and are not wanted anywhere. And then, he is going to tell us why it is alright for them to have their own nation to protect them from clowns like him who wish to destroy them.

After all, he said;

"The right to be independent are derived from nature and from God. Not some self-appointed, self-serving political clique."

The two places you mention are part of a country and thus have no ability both legal or otherwise to secede. That is why the US had a civil war which killed over a million and, Canada had to ratify it's constitution to prevent same.

I cannot speak for the rest of the world though as other situations may differ.