ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ISRAEL. (595)
online now!online now!Conrad73Zurich, Switzerland204 Threads 6 Polls 59,471 Postschris27292729: You forgot, the milions the British have killed to keep their Empire afloat.-
Conrad73: Actually we took in more Jewish Refugees than even the US did!
What did Greece do with their Jewish Citizens?
So you say that Switzerland was supposed to take in 6 million Refugees?
You're an Uninformed Katzelmacher,hellbent to cause Trouble!
The US could have taken in all Six Million Jews,and not even feel it,but found it necessary to turn Refugee-Ships away,when it actually was the only Safe Haven for Jews at that time!
Chris,you really need to straighten up your Facts!
You're so eclectic,it is pitiful!
Turn and twist,again your tactics,you don't give an answer why Switzerland turn away Jewish people,seeking refuge inside your country.What Greece did??? Secretly boarding Greek+non Greek Jews from other countries, to boats in remote areas and taking them to Palestine or across to Turkey.Times after times Israeli citizes,then(WW2) Greek ones,coming to Greece to thank their rescuers.We don't have guilty concience in Greece,we tried our best to save our fellow Jewish citizens,unlike your country.What did Greece do with their Jewish Citizens?
So you say that Switzerland was supposed to take in 6 million Refugees?
You're an Uninformed Katzelmacher,hellbent to cause Trouble!
The US could have taken in all Six Million Jews,and not even feel it,but found it necessary to turn Refugee-Ships away,when it actually was the only Safe Haven for Jews at that time!
Chris,you really need to straighten up your Facts!
You're so eclectic,it is pitiful!
chris27292729: Turn and twist,again your tactics,you don't give an answer why Switzerland turn away Jewish people,seeking refuge inside your country.What Greece did??? Secretly boarding Greek+non Greek Jews from other countries, to boats in remote areas and taking them to Palestine or across to Turkey.Times after times Israeli citizes,then(WW2) Greek ones,coming to Greece to thank their rescuers.We don't have guilty concience in Greece,we tried our best to save our fellow Jewish citizens,unlike your country.
Came to again? 
Hi ah Guys..
I watched a program on Switzerland and it was clear that although they do take foreigners in... but... they only can stay for a while... then they lose their jobs and of course are forced to leave.. they cannot get permanent residency...
Is this correct?? Something about 7 years max stay, something about not allowing Swiz peeps to become other than pure Swiz..??
I watched a program on Switzerland and it was clear that although they do take foreigners in... but... they only can stay for a while... then they lose their jobs and of course are forced to leave.. they cannot get permanent residency...
Is this correct?? Something about 7 years max stay, something about not allowing Swiz peeps to become other than pure Swiz..??
chris27292729: Turn and twist,again your tactics,you don't give an answer why Switzerland turn away Jewish people,seeking refuge inside your country.What Greece did??? Secretly boarding Greek+non Greek Jews from other countries, to boats in remote areas and taking them to Palestine or across to Turkey.Times after times Israeli citizes,then(WW2) Greek ones,coming to Greece to thank their rescuers.We don't have guilty concience in Greece,we tried our best to save our fellow Jewish citizens,unlike your country.
are the 30'000 Jewish Citizens of Greece that perished in the KZ coming back to thank you too? Besides we didn't send any of our Jewish Citizens to the Ovens,you did!
And,please get your damn Geography straight!
Besides that doesn't address your intense hatred for anything British,American,and by extension for Israel!
Hope Greece has enough money to support the UN!
Merriweather: Hi ah Guys..
I watched a program on Switzerland and it was clear that although they do take foreigners in... but... they only can stay for a while... then they lose their jobs and of course are forced to leave.. they cannot get permanent residency...
Is this correct?? Something about 7 years max stay, something about not allowing Swiz peeps to become other than pure Swiz..??
not likely!I watched a program on Switzerland and it was clear that although they do take foreigners in... but... they only can stay for a while... then they lose their jobs and of course are forced to leave.. they cannot get permanent residency...
Is this correct?? Something about 7 years max stay, something about not allowing Swiz peeps to become other than pure Swiz..??
Conrad73: not likely!
Hi Conrad...
Ah, there you go..
Swiss citizenship laws have been widely debated over the years. In comparison to other nationality laws, access to Swiss citizenship is relatively narrow, and several modifications to widen access to Swiss citizenship were proposed over the years. Those that were voted upon during referendums in 1983, 1994 and 2004 were all rejected. In particular, during the referendum of September 2004, Swiss voters rejected proposals which would have:
given some long resident Swiss-born persons aged between 14 and 24 the right to apply for facilitated naturalisation (which bypasses canton and community requirements); and
granted automatic Swiss citizenship to persons born in Switzerland with a parent also born in Switzerland
So it does sort of fit with that program that I saw and all the polish people were disheartened... see, you guys dont allow all and sundry in... not like we do in Aus...
I wasn't too far off the mark was I...?
Conrad I like you a lot... but as I have said to you in the past... I am happy to agree to disagree...
Merriweather: Hi Conrad...
Ah, there you go..
Swiss citizenship laws have been widely debated over the years. In comparison to other nationality laws, access to Swiss citizenship is relatively narrow, and several modifications to widen access to Swiss citizenship were proposed over the years. Those that were voted upon during referendums in 1983, 1994 and 2004 were all rejected. In particular, during the referendum of September 2004, Swiss voters rejected proposals which would have:
given some long resident Swiss-born persons aged between 14 and 24 the right to apply for facilitated naturalisation (which bypasses canton and community requirements); and
granted automatic Swiss citizenship to persons born in Switzerland with a parent also born in SwitzerlandSo it does sort of fit with that program that I saw and all the polish people were disheartened... see, you guys dont allow all and sundry in... not like we do in Aus...
I wasn't too far off the mark was I...?
Conrad I like you a lot... but as I have said to you in the past... I am happy to agree to disagree...
I don't know what you read!Ah, there you go..
Swiss citizenship laws have been widely debated over the years. In comparison to other nationality laws, access to Swiss citizenship is relatively narrow, and several modifications to widen access to Swiss citizenship were proposed over the years. Those that were voted upon during referendums in 1983, 1994 and 2004 were all rejected. In particular, during the referendum of September 2004, Swiss voters rejected proposals which would have:
given some long resident Swiss-born persons aged between 14 and 24 the right to apply for facilitated naturalisation (which bypasses canton and community requirements); and
granted automatic Swiss citizenship to persons born in Switzerland with a parent also born in SwitzerlandSo it does sort of fit with that program that I saw and all the polish people were disheartened... see, you guys dont allow all and sundry in... not like we do in Aus...
I wasn't too far off the mark was I...?
Conrad I like you a lot... but as I have said to you in the past... I am happy to agree to disagree...
Merriweather: Hi Conrad...
Ah, there you go..
Swiss citizenship laws have been widely debated over the years. In comparison to other nationality laws, access to Swiss citizenship is relatively narrow, and several modifications to widen access to Swiss citizenship were proposed over the years. Those that were voted upon during referendums in 1983, 1994 and 2004 were all rejected. In particular, during the referendum of September 2004, Swiss voters rejected proposals which would have:
given some long resident Swiss-born persons aged between 14 and 24 the right to apply for facilitated naturalisation (which bypasses canton and community requirements); and
granted automatic Swiss citizenship to persons born in Switzerland with a parent also born in SwitzerlandSo it does sort of fit with that program that I saw and all the polish people were disheartened... see, you guys dont allow all and sundry in... not like we do in Aus...
I wasn't too far off the mark was I...?
Conrad I like you a lot... but as I have said to you in the past... I am happy to agree to disagree...
actually you are way off the mark!Ah, there you go..
Swiss citizenship laws have been widely debated over the years. In comparison to other nationality laws, access to Swiss citizenship is relatively narrow, and several modifications to widen access to Swiss citizenship were proposed over the years. Those that were voted upon during referendums in 1983, 1994 and 2004 were all rejected. In particular, during the referendum of September 2004, Swiss voters rejected proposals which would have:
given some long resident Swiss-born persons aged between 14 and 24 the right to apply for facilitated naturalisation (which bypasses canton and community requirements); and
granted automatic Swiss citizenship to persons born in Switzerland with a parent also born in SwitzerlandSo it does sort of fit with that program that I saw and all the polish people were disheartened... see, you guys dont allow all and sundry in... not like we do in Aus...
I wasn't too far off the mark was I...?
Conrad I like you a lot... but as I have said to you in the past... I am happy to agree to disagree...
Conrad73: I don't know what you read!
The yearly rate of naturalization has quintupled over the 1990s and 2000s, from roughly 9,000 to 45,000 naturalizations per year. Relative to the population of resident foreigners, this amounts to an increase from 8‰ in 1990 to 27‰ in 2007, or relative to the number of Swiss citizens from 1.6‰ in 1990 to 7.3‰ in 2007.
same article
BTW,what Polish People?
You want to tell me with a straight Face that a Country ought to make Citizens during Wartime?
I wonder Conrad if the American colonies at the time of the declaration of independence would have met your supposed "legal" definition of statehood. The declaration of independence doesn't search for recognition by some self-appointed authority.
It just "declares" independence.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
The right to be independent are derived from nature and from God. Not some self-appointed, self-serving political clique.
As for the "causes which impel them to the separation", I think that is already pretty self-evident to everyone except terminally deluded ziophiles.
It just "declares" independence.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
The right to be independent are derived from nature and from God. Not some self-appointed, self-serving political clique.
As for the "causes which impel them to the separation", I think that is already pretty self-evident to everyone except terminally deluded ziophiles.
Gosh no Conrad... of course not...
About the Polish People, well I reckon now that I think about it... perhaps they were Slavic people.. seriously I cannot remember, but its just that the theme of becoming a Swiss stuck in my mind... ( re that doco I was watching) and it was saying that it was not free and easy to become a citizen... that much I do remember.. and people were complaining that even tho they had lived in a particular town for a while, they still couldnt become citizens.
and your article, the link where it took me.. more or less says the same... Its very restrictive... and yeah sorry, I am way off topic re Isreal..
Just picking your brains more or less...
Cheers Conrad...
Enjoy your day, tis my
time...
About the Polish People, well I reckon now that I think about it... perhaps they were Slavic people.. seriously I cannot remember, but its just that the theme of becoming a Swiss stuck in my mind... ( re that doco I was watching) and it was saying that it was not free and easy to become a citizen... that much I do remember.. and people were complaining that even tho they had lived in a particular town for a while, they still couldnt become citizens.
and your article, the link where it took me.. more or less says the same... Its very restrictive... and yeah sorry, I am way off topic re Isreal..
Just picking your brains more or less...
Cheers Conrad...
Enjoy your day, tis my
time...Merriweather: Gosh no Conrad... Just picking your brains more or less...
Better bring your tweezers.
springnight: If you want to discuss lands stolen by others than Israel, i suggest you start a new thread with that title, beside did you hear Palestinians complain about that if it would really exist. FACT is Israel occupied and stolen land belongs to others, that why we see conflict still exist between Palestinians and Israelians.
You are trying again to divert others from the main FACT which is very simple and clear to all "Jews came mainly from Europe and America and occupied Land thousands of mile far away which doesn't belong to them" You always debating consequences and you never admit this fact.
and please don't bring UN resolutions as an evidence, you know clearly, Israel accepts only what suit her and reject that doesn't ...for Israel, those resolutions are more or less a food menu, take what you feel to take...
You are trying again to divert others from the main FACT which is very simple and clear to all "Jews came mainly from Europe and America and occupied Land thousands of mile far away which doesn't belong to them" You always debating consequences and you never admit this fact.
and please don't bring UN resolutions as an evidence, you know clearly, Israel accepts only what suit her and reject that doesn't ...for Israel, those resolutions are more or less a food menu, take what you feel to take...
Here is a few other facts.
In the two wars were Isreal took those laws..they were facing massing Moslem armies on all sides. The had all the intent to crush Isreal between them. Isreal acted preemptively to keep her self alive.
Returning Israel to her 1967 borders. Brings the Syrian army to with 26 miles of curing the country in half. Gives the Syrian army the Golden Height over looking all of Isreal.
With today advance weapons systems, Syrian rocket and artillery unit can sit on the Golden Heights and control most Isreal with rocket and artillery fire.
But this matter not to the liberals....that see such a vast injustice being done to the Palstines. Give the land back it was not Isreals. It was not the Palestines either. Because when the Jewish Nation walked across the River Jordan, the Palistine Liberal Organzation was not even a twickle in Yasser Arafat's eyes.
Today Isreal deals with two principle groups....Hamas and elFatah that came directly from PLO. The PLO was not around till 1965. Not the historic Palestines of the region.
Jeez,
Who is clicking the plus and minus button... What a childish thing to do...
This is a really stoopid idea having dumb buttons to see who liked or no a post...
If this is an adult site... should we not be tolerant and agree to disagree without petty button pushing...
Who is clicking the plus and minus button... What a childish thing to do...
This is a really stoopid idea having dumb buttons to see who liked or no a post...
If this is an adult site... should we not be tolerant and agree to disagree without petty button pushing...
RayfromUSA: I wonder Conrad if the American colonies at the time of the declaration of independence would have met your supposed "legal" definition of statehood. The declaration of independence doesn't search for recognition by some self-appointed authority.
It just "declares" independence.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
The right to be independent are derived from nature and from God. Not some self-appointed, self-serving political clique.
As for the "causes which impel them to the separation", I think that is already pretty self-evident to everyone except terminally deluded ziophiles.
were operating under the Montevideo Conventions these days,in case no one mentioned it to you?It just "declares" independence.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
The right to be independent are derived from nature and from God. Not some self-appointed, self-serving political clique.
As for the "causes which impel them to the separation", I think that is already pretty self-evident to everyone except terminally deluded ziophiles.
Merriweather: Jeez,
Who is clicking the plus and minus button... What a childish thing to do... This is a really stoopid idea having dumb buttons to see who liked or no a post...
If this is an adult site... should we not be tolerant and agree to disagree without petty button pushing...
here ,let me give you a Thumbs-Up and a Green Thumb!Who is clicking the plus and minus button... What a childish thing to do... This is a really stoopid idea having dumb buttons to see who liked or no a post...
If this is an adult site... should we not be tolerant and agree to disagree without petty button pushing...
RayfromUSA: Better bring your tweezers.
that how small yours are,Ray?WhoddaThunkIt?
Conrad73: So?
How many did you take?
You have an easy blab,since you don't consider that Switzerland had accepted already 30'000 Jewish Refugees up to that Time,in addition to thousands of other Refugees
Great-Britain accepted even less,and was under less threat of Invasion!!
Switzerland was totally dependent on Fuel and many other things from Germany!
It's easy to blab sitting on on Island Down Under in the Middle of the Pacific!
So keep your Lies!
How many did you take?
You have an easy blab,since you don't consider that Switzerland had accepted already 30'000 Jewish Refugees up to that Time,in addition to thousands of other Refugees
Great-Britain accepted even less,and was under less threat of Invasion!!
Switzerland was totally dependent on Fuel and many other things from Germany!
It's easy to blab sitting on on Island Down Under in the Middle of the Pacific!
So keep your Lies!
Conrad73: So?
How many did you take?
You have an easy blab,since you don't consider that Switzerland had accepted already 30'000 Jewish Refugees up to that Time,in addition to thousands of other Refugees
Great-Britain accepted even less,and was under less threat of Invasion!!
Switzerland was totally dependent on Fuel and many other things from Germany!
It's easy to blab sitting on on Island Down Under in the Middle of the Pacific!
So keep your Lies!
How many did you take?
You have an easy blab,since you don't consider that Switzerland had accepted already 30'000 Jewish Refugees up to that Time,in addition to thousands of other Refugees
Great-Britain accepted even less,and was under less threat of Invasion!!
Switzerland was totally dependent on Fuel and many other things from Germany!
It's easy to blab sitting on on Island Down Under in the Middle of the Pacific!
So keep your Lies!
Making sweeping assumptions again there Conrad ...not sitting in a land down under ... and the statement is not a lie. Switzerland also took an awful lot of gold from the Germans, some from the murdered Jews and some plundered from countries they invaded, in exchange for Swiss francs.
Lerie2010: Making sweeping assumptions again there Conrad ...not sitting in a land down under ... and the statement is not a lie. Switzerland also took an awful lot of gold from the Germans, some from the murdered Jews and some plundered from countries they invaded, in exchange for Swiss francs.
Glad you're listening to or Revisionists to apportion blame,while you Allies fell down on the Job!Conrad73: Glad you're listening to our Revisionists to apportion blame,while you Allies fell down on the Job!
Conrad73: Glad you're listening to or Revisionists to apportion blame,while you Allies fell down on the Job!
Now you are sounding a little stupid .. who is apportioning blame? I just stated a couple of facts. The 'you Allies' part is even more pathetic since I wasn't born until after the war.
Lerie2010: Now you are sounding a little stupid .. who is apportioning blame? I just stated a couple of facts. The 'you Allies' part is even more pathetic since I wasn't born until after the war.
yet you think you know what it was like in Europe during that war?Conrad73: yet you think you know what it was like in Europe during that war?
Conrad you constantly put words into other people's mouths or assume you know what they are thinking ... read what is written and stop putting your own interpretation onto it. I know what I know about life during the war from family and friends who lived through it and fought in it. My family was all in Europe during both wars. I have family who are Jewish and friends who are Israeli and I have never been anti-Semitic in my life. I do however object to the Israeli Government treatment of the Palestinian people, I have never advocated terrorism and I feel diplomacy is the only answer to the problems in the Middle East .. or anywhere else. Stop telling me what I think and read what I write.
Lerie2010: Conrad you constantly put words into other people's mouths or assume you know what they are thinking ... read what is written and stop putting your own interpretation onto it. I know what I know about life during the war from family and friends who lived through it and fought in it. My family was all in Europe during both wars. I have family who are Jewish and friends who are Israeli and I have never been anti-Semitic in my life. I do however object to the Israeli Government treatment of the Palestinian people, I have never advocated terrorism and I feel diplomacy is the only answer to the problems in the Middle East .. or anywhere else. Stop telling me what I think and read what I write.
Nope,that's actually your specialty!Yep,I read what you write!
Also read who your Heroes are!
Conrad73: Nope,that's actually your specialty!
Yep,I read what you write!
Also read who your Heroes are!
Yep,I read what you write!
Also read who your Heroes are!
men who actually do something to try to help the people they support.
Lerie2010: men who actually do something to try to help the people they support.
Two Pieces of Rare Crud!Conrad73: Two Pieces of Rare Crud!
you'd be the expert on that too
Lerie2010: you'd be the expert on that too
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