Should adults be permitted to carry concealed weapons? (149)
I believe people have the right to carry a concealed weapon for their protection especially if they live somewhere that has a high crime rate.
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Or if they work in the mountains like I do.
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People in general are too emotional (quick to get angry or scared) to be trusted with a deadly weapon.
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In societies which are non-threatening, it is not required. In my country (not Qatar) the police don't even carry guns.
If you have a problem with the level of violence and fear in your society, then address the root causes of that first before adding to the problem by arming everyone.
Its not really rocket science.
If you have a problem with the level of violence and fear in your society, then address the root causes of that first before adding to the problem by arming everyone.
Its not really rocket science.
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Rubicon76: In societies which are non-threatening, it is not required. In my country (not Qatar) the police don't even carry guns.
What country is that Rubicon?
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Concealed carry, when done LEGALLY, is a very good thing. It allows people to defend themselves from a would-be criminal. In my neighborhood, there has been multiple violent crimes and it has made me consider the idea of getting a permit more seriously.
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Albertaghost: What country is that Rubicon?
New Zealand.
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Rubicon76: New Zealand.
""Number of Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in New Zealand is 925,0001 to 1,200,0002. In the absence of registration for most firearms, only an approximation is possible
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Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in New Zealand is estimated to be 22.63 firearms per 100 people
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Number of Privately Owned Firearms - World Ranking
In a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, New Zealand ranked at No. 541
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Rate of Privately Owned Firearms per 100 Population - World Ranking
In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, New Zealand ranked at No. 223
Routine Arming of Police
In New Zealand, police officers on routine patrol do not carry a firearm8
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Number of Law Enforcement Firearms
Police in New Zealand are reported to have 1,8009 to 2,00010 firearms""
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Rubicon76: In societies which are non-threatening, it is not required. In my country (not Qatar) the police don't even carry guns.
If you have a problem with the level of violence and fear in your society, then address the root causes of that first before adding to the problem by arming everyone.
Its not really rocket science.
Ever held a conversation to address the root causes with a black bear, coyote or wolf that roams freely about? If you have a problem with the level of violence and fear in your society, then address the root causes of that first before adding to the problem by arming everyone.
Its not really rocket science.
I live in a society where crime is quite low, non-threatening by man-kind. I pack iron not out of fear of man, but for protection against the wild.
It is a proven fact that disarming law-abiding citizens generates more crimes. The bad guys will be the only ones carrying guns. And that's not rocket science.
To the OP, most states allow carrying a concealed weapon through permits. It's not easy to obtain one and anyone with a criminal record cannot own a gun. Though we know many of them do anyway.
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It seems every fifth person in NZ is armed and needs to address their problems with society. In Canada it is same and in the US four out of five.
Then again, it seems you guys are well on par doing each other with bashing each other to death with laptops and butter knives as the following figures attest.
""In New Zealand, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 0.265
In Canada, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 0.5314
In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 2.985
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In New Zealand, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2009: 3.185
In Canada, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2008: 1.8311
In the United States, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2009: 4.965""
Then again, it seems you guys are well on par doing each other with bashing each other to death with laptops and butter knives as the following figures attest.
""In New Zealand, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 0.265
In Canada, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 0.5314
In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 2.985
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In New Zealand, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2009: 3.185
In Canada, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2008: 1.8311
In the United States, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2009: 4.965""
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The question in the poll was asking about 'concealed weapons'. To defend yourself against wild animals your weapon does not need to be, and should not be, concealed. I am not talking about hunting weaponry. The differentiation between weapons for hunting and concealed weapons is quite explicit in the law (what are you worried the bear might see your gun?).
Anyway, wouldn't it be more sensible just to stay out of the dangerous animals habitat? Not that there are many left in the US since most have been hunted to extinction.
Anyway, wouldn't it be more sensible just to stay out of the dangerous animals habitat? Not that there are many left in the US since most have been hunted to extinction.
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Rubicon76: The question in the poll was asking about 'concealed weapons'. To defend yourself against wild animals your weapon does not need to be, and should not be, concealed. I am not talking about hunting weaponry. The differentiation between weapons for hunting and concealed weapons is quite explicit in the law (what are you worried the bear might see your gun?).
Anyway, wouldn't it be more sensible just to stay out of the dangerous animals habitat? Not that there are many left in the US since most have been hunted to extinction.
Anyway, wouldn't it be more sensible just to stay out of the dangerous animals habitat? Not that there are many left in the US since most have been hunted to extinction.
Actually in my part of the world some need them. Bear spray is ineffective when being charged by a surprised bear or one with a hate on if the wind is going the other way. That goes for trappers, guides, oilfield contractors etc. To advertise you have a gun when you go to town doesn't help the crackheads lower their temptation to somehow break into your hotel room when you go to eat and grab it nor does it aid in the public relations department when you go to the briefing room with a gun holstered on your hip. Either concealed or in a lock box in your car is a nice way to go.
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AlbertGhost : yours is a perfect example of misuse of the misinformation superhighway. Whoever compiled that information is way, way wrong. There is no way in hell that more than 20% of the population of NZ own firearms. It is completely and entirely incorrect and you MUST have a permit to own one. The country is so small that it is extremely difficult to get one with a permit. The majority of guns in NZ are rifles owned by farmers for shooting pesky opossums. I believe it is still not legal for private citizens to own handguns or semi or fully automatic weapons. I've never even seen one.
I think the rest of your stats bear out the paradigm in my thread.
Less guns, less deaths from shootings.
I think the rest of your stats bear out the paradigm in my thread.
Less guns, less deaths from shootings.
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Albertaghost: Actually in my part of the world some need them. Bear spray is ineffective when being charged by a surprised bear or one with a hate on if the wind is going the other way. That goes for trappers, guides, oilfield contractors etc. To advertise you have a gun when you go to town doesn't help the crackheads lower their temptation to somehow break into your hotel room when you go to eat and grab it nor does it aid in the public relations department when you go to the briefing room with a gun holstered on your hip. Either concealed or in a lock box in your car is a nice way to go.
I agree Canada is a different kettle of fish. You are many times more likely to be 'owned' by a Grisly up there. But you don't require a 'concealed' weapon to rectify that problem. I am not sure if a hand-gun in your glove box is classed as 'concealed' in a legal context but seems like a better idea if you really are under threat from nature.
As for the crackheads, clean up the drug problem first...no?
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Rubicon76: AlbertGhost : yours is a perfect example of misuse of the misinformation superhighway. Whoever compiled that information is way, way wrong. There is no way in hell that more than 20% of the population of NZ own firearms. It is completely and entirely incorrect and you MUST have a permit to own one. The country is so small that it is extremely difficult to get one with a permit. The majority of guns in NZ are rifles owned by farmers for shooting pesky opossums. I believe it is still not legal for private citizens to own handguns or semi or fully automatic weapons. I've never even seen one.
I think the rest of your stats bear out the paradigm in my thread.
Less guns, less deaths from shootings.
I think the rest of your stats bear out the paradigm in my thread.
Less guns, less deaths from shootings.
Well if you have stats lets see them but I also have nationmaster which states the same as does wiki and a NZ site to boot. As per the rest of it it seems that if you have one quarter the guns per capita the US has you have only slightly less murder which means guns have little to do with crime.
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Rubicon76: I agree Canada is a different kettle of fish. You are many times more likely to be 'owned' by a Grisly up there. But you don't require a 'concealed' weapon to rectify that problem. I am not sure if a hand-gun in your glove box is classed as 'concealed' in a legal context but seems like a better idea if you really are under threat from nature.
As for the crackheads, clean up the drug problem first...no?
As for the crackheads, clean up the drug problem first...no?
In a glove box? You're fifty miles in the hills for crying out loud on snowshoes or on a quad. As for crackheads, when there is money there is crime be it oilfield theft or as I stated crack. And there is money in the fringe areas and, as for cleaning it up, wait until it's built as this area is still developing so, until we can find enough people to get here and make a society, we have what we have.
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I doubt that NZ's want to kill each other less than other countries so I guess our homocide rate is lower because its much harder to get your hands on a gun!...and if someone wated to kill me I would prefer to have him armed with the aformentioned butter knife rather than a Smith and Wesson.
There are other geo-societal factors also. It should not be surprising that Canada rate appears lower. Population density has a significant impact on homocide rates. Spread-em out and they are noticeably less likely to kill each other via any method.
There are other geo-societal factors also. It should not be surprising that Canada rate appears lower. Population density has a significant impact on homocide rates. Spread-em out and they are noticeably less likely to kill each other via any method.
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Albertaghost: In a glove box? You're fifty miles in the hills for crying out loud on snowshoes or on a quad. As for crackheads, when there is money there is crime be it oilfield theft or as I stated crack. And there is money in the fringe areas and, as for cleaning it up, wait until it's built as this area is still developing so, until we can find enough people to get here and make a society, we have what we have.
So if you're fifty miles in the hills or on a quad bike then there are no embarrasing questions about wearing it on your hip and it is not 'concealed'.
I agree that the proximity of big money will attract undesirable criminal attention. Maybe its best to attempt to build your new society without it?
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Rubicon76: I doubt that NZ's want to kill each other less than other countries so I guess our homocide rate is lower because its much harder to get your hands on a gun!...and if someone wated to kill me I would prefer to have him armed with the aformentioned butter knife rather than a Smith and Wesson.
Actually look at the figures. Given that Canada has slightly more guns per capita our murder rate is lower and, given that the US has four times the number of guns it's homicide rate is only thirty percent more than yours so it seems guns have squat to do with it.
Rubicon76: There are other geo-societal factors also. It should not be surprising that Canada rate appears lower. Population density has a significant impact on homocide rates. Spread-em out and they are noticeably less likely to kill each other via any method.
I can agree with that however, Canadians are more condensed than people in the US as the bulk of our population lives within a narrow band along the US border with only a sprinkling in remote areas.
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Rubicon76: So if you're fifty miles in the hills or on a quad bike then there are no embarrasing questions about wearing it on your hip and it is not 'concealed'.
True till you report back to camp or to the boardroom to give a briefing. If it has to be shown you wear it on your hip and it looks like the wild west and shows all the thieves where to find a gun. Hardly conductive to trade and, totally unnecessary when if you can cover it with a coat you eliminate all sorts of problems.
Rubicon76: I agree that the proximity of big money will attract undesirable criminal attention. Maybe its best to attempt to build your new society without it?
Try it. We have to pay laborers forty bucks an hour to show up for ten days at a time in the middle of nowhere and, millions of dollars to provide for their survival to do the job. And you now want to build an opera house?
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Albertaghost: True till you report back to camp or to the boardroom to give a briefing. If it has to be shown you wear it on your hip and it looks like the wild west and shows all the thieves where to find a gun. Hardly conductive to trade and, totally unnecessary when if you can cover it with a coat you eliminate all sorts of problems.
Try it. We have to pay laborers forty bucks an hour to show up for ten days at a time in the middle of nowhere and, millions of dollars to provide for their survival to do the job. And you now want to build an opera house?
Try it. We have to pay laborers forty bucks an hour to show up for ten days at a time in the middle of nowhere and, millions of dollars to provide for their survival to do the job. And you now want to build an opera house?
Nothing worthwhile was ever easy.
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Rubicon76: Nothing worthwhile was ever easy.
Well nobody is going to come to the opera until there is a house which means there has to be something there to begin with and that takes money. And in the natural resource business there has to be development first which means people have to go into the natural world with all it's perils and work alone or in small groups with all sorts of dangerous beasts looking at them as food.
In the meantime, I suggest you make your own nation in the middle of the pacific as there will be no guns concealed or open. I mean, it won't be easy but, nothing worthwhile was ever easy right?
You still didn't answer my question why without so many firearms your homicide rate is nearly as high as the US and, is twice as much as Canada's.
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trisher69: If a person is not a convicted felon, she he/she be permitted to carry a concealed weapon?
I carry one and have for years,of course in my state it is the wild west out here. I had a permit before they passed a law that lets people carry without a permit.
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mustbnutz: I carry one and have for years,of course in my state it is the wild west out here. I had a permit before they passed a law that lets people carry without a permit.
Rubicon wants you to kill all the wildlife first by open weapons so you won't need to carry one in the wild and then have to stow it away when you get back to town and scare all the pansies and let the crooks know where to get a free fun.
IOWs, take an area, any area, kill all wildlife with guns, fire, poison and then build an entire civilization around it and then see if there is a reason for it such as a convergence of rivers, scenery, minerals, lumber, oil or gas.
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You clearly have no clue what I want.
I don't need to carry a gun to attempt to bolster my masculinity or self esteem. To do so is a truly manifest of psychological immaturity.
The only concealed weapon I need has been in my trousers all along. Except for the odd occasions when it was necessary to take it out and use it.
I don't need to carry a gun to attempt to bolster my masculinity or self esteem. To do so is a truly manifest of psychological immaturity.
The only concealed weapon I need has been in my trousers all along. Except for the odd occasions when it was necessary to take it out and use it.
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Take an example of Switzerland,even though that Idiot-Schengen-Treaty has partially killed our Rights already!
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Rubicon76: You clearly have no clue what I want.
I don't need to carry a gun to attempt to bolster my masculinity or self esteem. To do so is a truly manifest of psychological immaturity.
The only concealed weapon I need has been in my trousers all along. Except for the odd occasions when it was necessary to take it out and use it.
I don't need to carry a gun to attempt to bolster my masculinity or self esteem. To do so is a truly manifest of psychological immaturity.
The only concealed weapon I need has been in my trousers all along. Except for the odd occasions when it was necessary to take it out and use it.
Well you and yours seem to kill people quite nicely with whatever it is you have on hand and, given you only have the odd coyote to deal with your butter knives will suffice to defend yourselves.
In the meantime, prior to building a city in the middle of nowhere our of rock, ice and nothing in some of the most formidable conditions on earth you might want to actually have a clue. When working alone or even in pairs or threes, people are at risk from wildlife even when precautions are strictly followed.
When moving from wilds to society common sense prevails and while carrying a sidearm outside a parka in negative fifty makes sense, it makes stupid when in a suit on an escalator in a mall to provide a report on your work.
Think about it and then post something redeeming as you come off as a closed minded sort who has little understanding of anything other than mild temperatures and civilized worlds.
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Rubicon76: The question in the poll was asking about 'concealed weapons'. To defend yourself against wild animals your weapon does not need to be, and should not be, concealed. I am not talking about hunting weaponry. The differentiation between weapons for hunting and concealed weapons is quite explicit in the law (what are you worried the bear might see your gun?).
Anyway, wouldn't it be more sensible just to stay out of the dangerous animals habitat? Not that there are many left in the US since most have been hunted to extinction.
In my state you don't need a permit in order to carry a hand gun, if it's exposed. If I were to get pulled over for speeding I would set my hand gun in clear view for the officer to see that I am packing one. What would happen if you did that in your country?Anyway, wouldn't it be more sensible just to stay out of the dangerous animals habitat? Not that there are many left in the US since most have been hunted to extinction.
You forgot to mention that the poll also stated 'adults', in which those of legal age are considered as such.
And by all means do show some proof to back your claim that most wildlife here in the states have been hunted into extinction.
Fact: Many areas in the states are over-run/over-populated with wildlife to the point of having to relocate them. My state happens to be one of the recipients for many them.
So I should cower within my fenced in yard because wildlife happens to live here as well? Seriously?
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arapaho: in australia, if you get pulled over by the cops and they see a gun,
bang ! bang ! you could be dead,
toy gun bang ! bang ! you could be dead,
bang ! bang ! you could be dead,
toy gun bang ! bang ! you could be dead,
Same here so leave the replicas in the trunk.
arapaho: is it true americans use anti aircraft guns to shoot ducks
Nope. Store bought turkeys have a lot better taste.
I might ad that you guys must be doing something wrong as a lot of Aussie gals seem to like us western guys. Not sure what it is but better get on it as they don't seem to like it at home.
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