YouMeUs: Perhaps you can answer your own question, since you've placed it in hypothetical terms; If a country just pushed the buttons of a nuke aimed at your country, would you do the same in retaliation? Is that justifiable by any standards? Because IF nukes were ever to be used on another country again, I am certain that retaliation will ensue, and I'm not talking just the USA here.
My answer is simple. Learning from the history where nukes were used, NUKES alongwith all other genocidal weapons should banned altogether and no country should possess them. NO discrimination.
Wally1940: I voted no to concealed weapons as I believe we should be permitted to wear them like Roy Rogers and Hopalong Cassidy did, like on the hip in holsters.
maxmate1: My answer is simple. Learning from the history where nukes were used, NUKES alongwith all other genocidal weapons should banned altogether and no country should possess them. NO discrimination.
What is your answer?
Now we're getting somewhere! I totally agree 100%!
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
maxmate1: My answer is simple. Learning from the history where nukes were used, NUKES alongwith all other genocidal weapons should banned altogether and no country should possess them. NO discrimination.
What is your answer?
"In 1914 a war began, a million soldiers lent a hand, Weren't many planes to give support, hand to hand was the way they fought."
Bronze33: People in general are too emotional (quick to get angry or scared) to be trusted with a deadly weapon.
How many times have you read about a person, with a concealed carry permit, using his/her weapon illegally? I don't know of any, there probably are some but I don't know of them myself. How many times has a person used a gun to defend themselves or someone else, it's not unusual at all.
In Norway, you'll need special license for firearms, and usually only given if you're into hunting moose, grouse etc, or belong to a club, shooting for the sport of it.
Our police officers does not carry weapons either, they need paperwork done for each situation requiring weapons.
I still think carrying a weapon is a right, for own protection, as well as your property. That some people get easily upset, short fuse, poor behavior, is just a thing that will get cured, once realizing how dangerous it suddenly has become to be a troublemaker. The initial bloodshed would probably teach humans a otherwise difficult thing to learn.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
olaix: In Norway, you'll need special license for firearms, and usually only given if you're into hunting moose, grouse etc, or belong to a club, shooting for the sport of it.
Our police officers does not carry weapons either, they need paperwork done for each situation requiring weapons.
I still think carrying a weapon is a right, for own protection, as well as your property. That some people get easily upset, short fuse, poor behavior, is just a thing that will get cured, once realizing how dangerous it suddenly has become to be a troublemaker. The initial bloodshed would probably teach humans a otherwise difficult thing to learn.
I believe the laws are the same in Finland. Personally I can see no justification for an ordinary citizen carrying a weapon, concealed or not. Of course in the real world it is necessary for some agencies to employ weapons, but the strictess control should be exercised on these agencies. I realise it is an integral part of some cultures (US) to maintain their freedom to bear arms. This is a matter for them to decide.
YouMeUs: And to clarify, the nukes played a key role in ending World War 2. Nukes have never been used on another country since, and I hope they never get used again.
That is simply not true. I have just completed wading my way through the very comprehensive biography of J. Robert Oppenheimer and it is clear that Japan was an already beaten enemy. The use of the atomic bomb and the subsequent development of thermonuclear weapons were entirely unjustifiable.
Mind you, so was rescinding his security clearance and basically sacking him for old associations with communists and all the other ignorant and paranoid stupidity of the McCarthy era.
Absolutely NOT! For those NRA people-optimum word being CONCEALED & the constitution for the right to bear arms fit the society at the time but should be changed for it does not fit this society..JMO & I will stand on ceremony...
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Sorry my answer got mixed up with your question.
I don't dispute your facts, but I think the issue in America goes beyond statistics, and in a question of culture. The American belief in their right to bear arms, as I said, they should resolve this issue themselves.
Rubicon76: That is simply not true. I have just completed wading my way through the very comprehensive biography of J. Robert Oppenheimer and it is clear that Japan was an already beaten enemy. The use of the atomic bomb and the subsequent development of thermonuclear weapons were entirely unjustifiable.
Mind you, so was rescinding his security clearance and basically sacking him for old associations with communists and all the other ignorant and paranoid stupidity of the McCarthy era.
What a total bunch of dickheads they were.
Well,Stalin might have forgotten to tell Trumann that the Japanese were putting out Peace-Feelers,on account that he wanted Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
But despite that it states that the US is the highest in the industrialised world which is probably right. Columbia and Thailand are both 'developing' nations not industrialised and as for South Africa...well....its a wasteland. Pretty sure it can't be classed as industrialsed and definitely not civilised for that matter.
Conrad73: Well,Stalin might have forgotten to tell Trumann that the Japanese were putting out Peace-Feelers,on account that he wanted Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
That's almost certainly true but the administration at the time was just itching to try out their new toy since it took four + years to develop.
tomcatwarne: Sorry my answer got mixed up with your question.I don't dispute your facts, but I think the issue in America goes beyond statistics, and in a question of culture. The American belief in their right to bear arms, as I said, they should resolve this issue themselves.
I agree with you. It is a societal and cultural problem. People in America identify with the gun. It forms part of their national psyche. The gun lobby is too politically powerful that few senators and no presidents will ever consider backing legislation rescinding the second amendment. It will be with them forever.
At heart, most of them still consider themselves either cowboys or gangsters.
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
Rubicon76: That is simply not true. I have just completed wading my way through the very comprehensive biography of J. Robert Oppenheimer and it is clear that Japan was an already beaten enemy. The use of the atomic bomb and the subsequent development of thermonuclear weapons were entirely unjustifiable.
Beaten but not down. They would have continued for years costing millions of lives on both sides had they not been forced to surrender unconditionally.
drbombay: Absolutely NOT! For those NRA people-optimum word being CONCEALED & the constitution for the right to bear arms fit the society at the time but should be changed for it does not fit this society..JMO & I will stand on ceremony...
Finally....so glad to hear a voice of reason from within the States....
Rubicon76: I agree with you. It is a societal and cultural problem. People in America identify with the gun. It forms part of their national psyche. The gun lobby is too politically powerful that few senators and no presidents will ever consider backing legislation rescinding the second amendment. It will be with them forever.
At heart, most of them still consider themselves either cowboys or gangsters.
Legislation to rescind? Seems you haven't a Clue of the Procedure to Change the US-Constitution!
I do not know exact statistics but I can tell you from experience that the majority of the time(95% & that maybe conservative) that you would never get to your weapon in time(concealed or otherwise) for the bad guys know who & what they want & YOU good citizens DO NOT.
I would also like to point out that anyone who can tell you what they would do in a pressure situation with a gun is blowing hot air(easier said than done)
The constitution may be amended by the "votes" of three fourths of the legislatures or conventions of the individual states. Congress decides whether the states adopt amendments by their legislatures or state conventions. It is not as simple as "how many votes to amend the Constitution", since, individual voters do not vote to amend the constitution.
mustbnutz: The constitution may be amended by the "votes" of three fourths of the legislatures or conventions of the individual states. Congress decides whether the states adopt amendments by their legislatures or state conventions. It is not as simple as "how many votes to amend the Constitution", since, individual voters do not vote to amend the constitution.
Fine. So it could be changed. Just not very likely in our lifetimes.
venusenvy: Yabut anything can be a weapon especially for a chick...I have a purse-full...Perfume, keys, high heels, worse case scenario I would beat you to death with my school bag...God knows its heavy enough
venusenvy: Yabut anything can be a weapon especially for a chick...I have a purse-full...Perfume, keys, high heels, worse case scenario I would beat you to death with my school bag...God knows its heavy enough
After the School Prom;We went parking with your purse full of weapons;perfume;keys;high heels and your school bag to beat me to death and we sat in the front seat petting and French Kissing and we got in the back seat for more comfort and your purse full of weapons are useless now because you cant beat me to death with your heavy school bag because I separated your weapon;Venusenvy says Remember as Teen-agers how it went down at the drive-in; "NO MEANS MAYBE;MAYBE MEANS "YES"
Report threads that break rules, are offensive, or contain fighting. Staff may not be aware of the forum abuse, and cannot do anything about it unless you tell us about it. click to report forum abuse »
And your point is?