The hope is that science and intellect steps in to save Humanity from its lack of wisdom.
Call it deeply unethical, but we could one day genetically engineer decadence and laziness out of the gene pool and put reason, civility and order into the gene pool - a harrowing prospect, but one that may happen.. and it goes to show that wisdom is in fact far preferable to intellect.[/quote]
Is this why the British willingly worship their Royalty and depress their own to support their Royal life styles while living the subject life?
Rumple4skin: Decadence is the habit formed from prosperity.
The hope is that science and intellect steps in to save Humanity from its lack of wisdom.
Call it deeply unethical, but we could one day genetically engineer decadence and laziness out of the gene pool and put reason, civility and order into the gene pool - a harrowing prospect, but one that may happen.. and it goes to show that wisdom is in fact far preferable to intellect.
I wouldn't mind..... if we could get that option it might be wonderful.. maybe. IF we could trust the parameters of the 'wisdoms' in charge of the project, historically they do have a tendency to go awry. Although I'm not as fond of 'order' as you are, a certain amount of healthy disagreement on the direction of solutions is stimulating.
But you know, it could happen even without genetic rearranging... there have been ethical waves of solidarity from time to time through history... couldn't we make an effort before major catastrophe hits?
gininitaly: ... there have been ethical waves of solidarity from time to time through history... couldn't we make an effort before major catastrophe hits?
The recession wasn't "engineered" but it was "man made". It was basically a result of un-regulated financial institutions runaway risky behavior, fraud, and greed. Whole books have been written on the causes of this last great, yes great, recession. The thing that makes this recession so enduring is the fact that the world doesn't work these days like it did say 50 years ago. As machines get more efficient, faster, smaller, smarter, there is far less need for human involvement. I think the only way that employment will be anything like it used to be is if the population growth begins to decline. Just look at how the Internet has destroyed so many thriving business's of the past. Mail has largely been replaced by email, newspapers which used to employ a lot of people are going out of business left & right replaced by Google & wikipedia and online news. Even education is going online eliminating the need for teachers and brick & mortar schools. Think about this, for over 100 years humans have been designing machines to take the work out of everyday tasks, in other words, humans have been working to put themselves out of a job, so how come everybody is so fixated on creating jobs when we have been eliminating jobs at a feverish pace? During the presidential campaigns I had to laugh at how so many pundits kept shouting "Where are the jobs we need jobs, jobs, jobs." All I could think of was "Well, you're getting what you asked for, less work for mother (and poppa). This whole "jobs" issue was a red herring. A gruesome example of progress is it used to take 2 men with a shovel a back breaking day to dig a grave, today a backhoe can dig a grave in about 10 minutes.
More efficient manufacturing? Try Keyword "Outsorcing".
"If America does not manufacture and sell goods, then money only leaves the country. The U.S. now imports twice as much as it exports. This has resulted in a trade deficit that has ballooned to an unprecedented $800 billion on an annualized basis. Unfortunately, this trend shows no signs of abating. U.S. exports are declining versus imports all across the board. Even agriculture posted a deficit this past year for the first time in living memory.
Every time an American manufacturer closes and then reopens elsewhere, the foreign country gains American technology. Not having to spend resources developing technology, foreigners can focus on improving or beating it." 2005
More efficient manufacturing? Try Keyword "Outsorcing".
"If America does not manufacture and sell goods, then money only leaves the country. The U.S. now imports twice as much as it exports. This has resulted in a trade deficit that has ballooned to an unprecedented $800 billion on an annualized basis. Unfortunately, this trend shows no signs of abating. U.S. exports are declining versus imports all across the board. Even agriculture posted a deficit this past year for the first time in living memory.
Every time an American manufacturer closes and then reopens elsewhere, the foreign country gains American technology. Not having to spend resources developing technology, foreigners can focus on improving or beating it." 2005
That's why they have quantative easing. The US has been printing money for years to overcome its problems.
It's a WORLD WIDE RECESSION and someone did it on purpose? This thread topic is a perfect example of why people who believe in conspiracy theories are complete idiots.
Most of our elected officials couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery so if it was engineered I doubt they had anything to do with it. Don't read this as me having any confidence in them, I don't!
L_B76Italy,Germany ,Switzerland, Greater London, England UK1,117 posts
Glatlol: So is greed, and we are all guilty when things were going well, so we should take the blame as much as any politician or banker.
things never was going well... now more then ever... in europe since Euro is became the only currency things got way more worse... another reason... who build weapons is the one in a need of power... who can give power to them???? government... how to get the government on ur side? corruption.... am i wrong?
L_B76: things never was going well... now more then ever... in europe since Euro is became the only currency things got way more worse... another reason... who build weapons is the one in a need of power... who can give power to them???? government... how to get the government on ur side? corruption.... am i wrong?
They certainly were going very well here for some time. And yes the euro was the worst thing to happen here.
Sorry but I dont understand the rest of your post.
L_B76Italy,Germany ,Switzerland, Greater London, England UK1,117 posts
Glatlol: They certainly were going very well here for some time. And yes the euro was the worst thing to happen here.
Sorry but I dont understand the rest of your post.
who build weapons... need the government to keep business running if the government is not corrupted it means no weapons will be sold\used for a war.. no weapons sold no money incomes for who sell weapons...
in order to sell weapons u need people in the government help u to sell weapons.. which means corruption..
if a government get corrupted.. it will be way more easy to handle in ur favor\help
behind the recession there is a group of few people have been planning that for their own business..
while we citizens watching the TV "figure of speech" drive our attention away from the real fact all have been planned ahead even before the recession was that tough...
Actually, your inability to use any logical reasoning skills and your apparently limited intelligence have disabled you and you are unable to see reality and have sunk into paranoid delusions. Your own ignorance is monumental.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
CHOLENA: Actually, your inability to use any logical reasoning skills and your apparently limited intelligence have disabled you and you are unable to see reality and have sunk into paranoid delusions. Your own ignorance is monumental.
tomcatwarne: You admit that you can't prove there is no attempt to regulate world affairs. So the people who do believe this are just as likely to be right as you.
Actually, logically, that's a fallacious argument.
In response to: There have been other theories in history which have been proved right when narrow minded people like yourself refused to look at any alternatives. I mean, who now thinks the world is flat.
I am not being narrow minded; I am being logical. The belief that the world was flat is not a conspiracy and it is not a logical analogy for this situation; i.e., it is not a reasonable comparison.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
CHOLENA: Actually, logically, that's a fallacious argument. I am not being narrow minded; I am being logical. The belief that the world was flat is not a conspiracy and it is not a logical analogy for this situation; i.e., it is not a reasonable comparison.
Not at all, you don't have all the facts, whereas I might think it unlikely there is a concerted effort to take over the world, I do not discount the possibility that there could be.
Whereas by discounting the possibility you bend the argument to favour your point of view, and you have shown by your repeated attacks on individual members of CS, and members in general with unreasonable accusations of low intelligence have shown a complete lack of reasonable judgement.
CHOLENA: Actually, logically, that's a fallacious argument. I am not being narrow minded; I am being logical. The belief that the world was flat is not a conspiracy and it is not a logical analogy for this situation; i.e., it is not a reasonable comparison.
He wasn`t talking about a flat word, I was your logic is actually not a very well one, its a well rehearsed scheme ,trowing sand ,twisting and using many words to distract and you try to discredit any one by pointing out how well educated you are and that you have traveled
youretheboss: Why would this nebulous 'New World Order' want a global recession?
B/cos they want a total control upon u n the rest of the worl ! The N.W.O. is full of psychophates n corruptive individuals in high positions,they know how to strike n where to strike ! They hit u hard in all aspects of u'rlife.Yet u'r not even aware of it.
justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia2,592 posts
vodla3: B/cos they want a total control upon u n the rest of the worl ! The N.W.O. is full of psychophates n corruptive individuals in high positions,they know how to strike n where to strike ! They hit u hard in all aspects of u'rlife.Yet u'r not even aware of it.
It's a WORLD WIDE RECESSION and someone did it on purpose? This thread topic is a perfect example of why people who believe in conspiracy theories are complete idiots.
Boban1: He wasn`t talking about a flat word, I was your logic is actually not a very well one, its a well rehearsed scheme ,trowing sand ,twisting and using many words to distract and you try to discredit any one by pointing out how well educated you are and that you have traveled
Let me try to help you with an analogy that is actually appropriate. If you have been reading your witch hunt thread, that would be helpful.
Conspiracy theories are like witch hunts. People were accused of witchcraft because something happened that people didn't understand, didn't understand how or why it happened. The cultures of that time (and some present day ones apparently) believing in the devil, people being naturally prone to paranoia and fear, and believing that witches existed as cohorts of the devil, when something happened people didn't understand, something bad and possibly frightening, witchcraft was seen as the culprit. It would be the explanation for occurences that were otherwise unexplainable. So people were accused of witchcraft and of engineering the bad, frightening event.
People who were accused of witchcraft could not prove they weren't witches. There was no way to prove they weren't witches because you cannot prove a negative. They couldn't prove they weren't practicing witchcraft; they were guilty until proven innocent and could not prove their innocence because there wasn't any way to prove it. Witches don't exist, we know now, but then they were believed to be real; but how can you prove you are not something that doesn't even exist if people want to believe it exists? So thousands of people were executed for being something we now know never existed.
In a conspiracy theory situation, something happens that people don't understand, something bad, harmful, and frightening. For example, people cannot understand how three buildings collapsed as they did during the 9/11 event. If you look at any conspiracy, it is a situation where people cannot understnd how it could have happened unless there was some sort of covert activity causing it to happen. People do not understand how this world wide recession could have happened,so, as people did ascribing bad events to witchcraft, people today ascribe this type of thing to a conspiracy of individuals with evil intentions. There is no way to prove there is no conspiracy because you cannot prove a negative. However, the people who choose to believe it was a conspiracy don't need proof to believe in the conspiracy because, simply, they believe in conspiracies in the same way people believed in witchcraft: if something bad happens that we don't understand,and we feel helpless in the face of these events and like victims, it must be a conspiracy by some bad, evil entity.
Sure, there were probably old women and even men who were unsavory, back in the days of witchcraft, and maybe they did harmful things to others, but they weren't performing witchcraft. And there weren't covens of witches conspiring against all the good and decent people.
Sure there are people today who conspire to do certain things, but small potatoes in reality. The problem is that people who believe in conspiracy theories today believe in large, complex organizations putting together a conspiracy that is wide ranging and includes many people, and yet all of these people never let on about the conspiracy and there is never any tangible, empirical proof found. It's all spectulation and pointing fingers, just as it was during the witch hunts in the old times.
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The hope is that science and intellect steps in to save Humanity from its lack of wisdom.
Call it deeply unethical, but we could one day genetically engineer decadence and laziness out of the gene pool and put reason, civility and order into the gene pool - a harrowing prospect, but one that may happen.. and it goes to show that wisdom is in fact far preferable to intellect.[/quote]
Is this why the British willingly worship their Royalty and depress their own to support their Royal life styles while living the subject life?