Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer) (69)

May 26, 2013 8:24 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379: Do you think a professional with no practical insight will be adept at perceiving and empathising with others?

Do you think that psychological health is static, or that once experienced it means someone can only become more unhealthy and/or destructive to themselves and others?

Is this a logical train of thought you've proposed here?


You ask good questions - it is a complex situation and I was really responding to a portion of your comments regarding the mental health treatment profession.

I do not think that mental health is static and it is fascinating now that the USA is working on gene mapping the brain - we are coming more to an understanding about ourselves and others.

As to the original poll question - emotionally I would respond - no I would not date someone that suffers from an serious mental illness - if I can make a choice before the emotions become involved - just as I would prefer to date someone who is financially independent -

since I do not know the man or have not yet fallen in love with this man, why not create some rules now to ensure that I don't meet heartache later when my emotions are involved.

Although the heart wants what the heart wants.
May 26, 2013 8:31 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
JeanKimberley: You ask good questions - it is a complex situation and I was really responding to a portion of your comments regarding the mental health treatment profession.

I do not think that mental health is static and it is fascinating now that the USA is working on gene mapping the brain - we are coming more to an understanding about ourselves and others.

As to the original poll question - emotionally I would respond - no I would not date someone that suffers from an serious mental illness - if I can make a choice before the emotions become involved - just as I would prefer to date someone who is financially independent -

since I do not know the man or have not yet fallen in love with this man, why not create some rules now to ensure that I don't meet heartache later when my emotions are involved.

Although the heart wants what the heart wants.

Yeah, I get you.

But isn't there a difference between a potential relationship rule which says, "I can't afford to emotionally give more than I emotionally receive" and "a mentally ill person will emotionally drain me and a mentally well person won't", before knowing about someone's needs, or capabilities?

It strikes me the former is good sense, the latter foolish.
May 26, 2013 8:31 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
Poet727: I just wondered if anyone would date a person with a mental illness? Be honest.


Yes! In some degree, we all have mental illness.
May 26, 2013 8:32 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
What is Mental Illness: Mental Illness Facts

"Mental illnesses are medical conditions that disrupt a person's thinking, feeling, mood, ability to relate to others and daily functioning. Just as diabetes is a disorder of the pancreas, mental illnesses are medical conditions that often result in a diminished capacity for coping with the ordinary demands of life.

Serious mental illnesses include major depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD), panic disorder, post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and borderline personality disorder. The good news about mental illness is that recovery is possible..... "



Would you date someone with a mental illness?





No.






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May 26, 2013 8:42 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
The Concept of Terminal Mental Illness

According to U.S. Legal, a terminal illness is defined as "an active and progressive illness for which there is no cure and the prognosis is fatal."

Think back to Elena for a moment: Her illness was certainly active; it haunted her almost every day of her life. It was also progressive and each episode of clinical depression was worse than the one preceding it. Her illness was impervious to multiple modes of treatment from faith healing to traditional Western psychiatry. And several physicians predicted Elena's mental illness would end in death by suicide. Eventually, it did. Elena's depression seems to meet all the criteria for a terminal illness.

Just like a cancer patient can take every recommended treatment and still not achieve remission, some people with severe mental illness can try a host of remedies and still not achieve relief from their symptoms, symptoms so painful their ultimate result is predictably self-destruction.

For People with Mental Illness

This article looks at severe mental illnesses that do not respond to treatment – fortunately, this type of mental illness is the exception rather than the rule.

Estimates suggest that depression is 80% to 90% treatable with a combination of medication and talk therapy, though symptoms may reoccur and the patient may need to undergo another round of treatment.

Bipolar disorder, too, can usually be well managed with education, mood stabilizers, and therapy.

It's a sad fact that many mentally ill people who commit suicide never seek any type of treatment at all due to their fear of being stigmatized – the equivalent of women dying of breast cancer years ago because they were too embarrassed to go to a doctor.

If you are considering suicide, talk to a counselor, social worker, psychologist or psychiatrist. If you think you can't afford to seek psychiatric treatment, go to your community mental health center and see if they will treat you on a sliding scale, or call the National Suicide Hotline, 1-800-273-8255 for the location of a crisis center near you.

Don't make the assumption that your symptoms can't be managed just because they haven't been managed yet.

For Suicide Survivors

Those who have lost a loved one to suicide are frequently haunted by questions about why their loved one chose to leave them. If you are able to accept the view of some mental illnesses as terminal, you may find some comfort in realizing that often there was no "choice" – only unbearable, intractable pain that could have had no other reasonable outcome.

For additional support and information, check out the Alliance of Hope for Suicide Survivors.
May 26, 2013 8:43 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379: Yeah, I get you.

But isn't there a difference between a potential relationship rule which says, "I can't afford to emotionally give more than I emotionally receive" and "a mentally ill person will emotionally drain me and a mentally well person won't", before knowing about someone's needs, or capabilities?

It strikes me the former is good sense, the latter foolish.


I don't buy the premise that "I can't afford to emotionally give more than I emotionally receive" - we all have emotional capacities as we have mental capacities.

I am suggesting that the rules I make about dating are like some of the rules I use in life - I don't use a knife in an electric toaster when it is plugged in, a pay my bills and my taxes, a follow the rules of the road while driving, I don't drive distracted.... each of these "rules" are about living a long, happy, healthy life....

Does this mean that I am ensured a long, safe, happy life? NO. Things happen that are out of our control - however, I am comfortable following some basic rules and my dating rule is to avoid dating someone who is seriously mentally ill.
May 26, 2013 8:57 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
JeanKimberley: I don't buy the premise that "I can't afford to emotionally give more than I emotionally receive" - we all have emotional capacities as we have mental capacities.

I am suggesting that the rules I make about dating are like some of the rules I use in life - I don't use a knife in an electric toaster when it is plugged in, a pay my bills and my taxes, a follow the rules of the road while driving, I don't drive distracted.... each of these "rules" are about living a long, happy, healthy life....

Does this mean that I am ensured a long, safe, happy life? NO. Things happen that are out of our control - however, I am comfortable following some basic rules and my dating rule is to avoid dating someone who is seriously mentally ill.

what do you categorise as a serious mental illness?
May 26, 2013 9:06 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379: what do you categorise as a serious mental illness?


Anything extreme and untreated or untreatable - paranoid schizophrenia, sociopaths, someone experiencing destructive delusions, compulsive liars.....

there are enough crazy people in the world that are my friends and we share the same illusions about life, however, I don't like to hang around with peeps who might want to set me on fire because voices in their head told them to.
May 26, 2013 9:14 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Psychopathy, along with borderline personality disorder and malignant narcissism, is an incurable personality disorder. Personality disorders are character deficiencies that are so deeply ingrained in one’s personality that they are, for all practical purposes, unchangeable.


Most websites and books on romantic relationships tell readers what steps to take to get them or improve them. By way of contrast, I tell you bluntly and in detail why and how to disengage for good from the psychopathic bond. If there’s one kind of relationship that’s not worth saving, it’s one with a psychopath. You can’t change a psychopath. Consequently, you also can’t improve your relationship with him.
Psychologists call psychopathy “pathological.” They state that psychopaths suffer from a severe “personality disorder,” not just normal human flaws that can be worked on and ameliorated. Sandra L. Brown, M.A. underscores in How to spot a dangerous man before you get involved that “Pathology is forever.” (23) It’s the result of a faulty brain wiring, sometimes coupled with emotional trauma that occurs during childhood development, which can’t be altered in any significant way once the psychopath reaches adulthood.

Brown doesn’t mince words when she describes a psychopath as “an emotional predator” who represents “the pinnacle of poisonous and pathological dating choices.” (179) When involved with such an individual, she cautions, “You will never change his physiology or his bad wiring. You will never love him into safety, sanity, or sanctity.” (21)
Women involved with psychopaths have been conditioned by their partners to assume most of the blame for the problems that occur in the relationship. They’re often deeply in love. They hope that the psychopath will magically improve and grow to love them more meaningfully. Often, they seek therapy, counseling or support groups. They grasp at any straw that can help them salvage the pathological relationship. As time goes on, they focus on the increasingly fewer positive aspects of the relationship. They cherish the memories of how well they were treated in the beginning. They go into denial so that they don’t have to face the deliberate malice of the person they love, to whom they may have devoted their entire lives.


When faced with the vast discrepancy between the psychopath’s nice words and his malicious actions, they feel lost, disoriented and alone. They stubbornly cling to the psychopath and to the fantasy of romantic love he initially created. They believe the psychopath has a good side, which reflects his real positive qualities, and a bad side, which they often take the blame for. Psychopaths don’t have a good side. That supposedly good side—made up mostly of fake charm, manipulation and lies–is only a mask they put on in order to establish dominance over other human beings and use them for their selfish purposes. Because we want to believe there’s some good in every human being, it’s difficult to accept that

psychopaths are, at core, evil. Unfortunately, that’s the case. As Liane Leedom puts it, psychopaths are “driven to do evil”. Their compulsion to harm others and their predatory desires are physiologically rooted in their personality structure.
May 26, 2013 9:41 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
tomcatwarne: You can’t change a psychopath. Consequently, you also can’t improve your relationship with him or her


thumbs up you would really like the book by Dr. Martha Stout - the Psychopath Next Door.

She outlines in her book that about 1 in 25 are psychopaths - that is incapable of having empathy for another human - incapable of feeling love therefore having any guilty feelings over their behavior to others - not all of them commit murder, and some are very successful in jobs and social standing in the communities which makes them more dangerous than the ones that act out violently and criminally.
May 26, 2013 10:07 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Why are borderline personality disorder and malignant narcissism lumped in with psycopathy at the beginning of your text, but not discussed in the main body of your text?

How do you define incurable?
May 26, 2013 10:12 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Jillll: Relax Jac.

Compliance is a term used in the medical community to denote someone who follows their treatment regimen. It does not mean that someone unquestioningly follows their doctors orders as if he was some sort of god. Most doctors accept and even encourage the patient to take an active role in his/ her healthcare. This includes regular communication about how well the medication is working and any side effects. Psychiatric drugs in particular may require adjustment of dosages or trying many different medications or combinations of medications to find what works for that particular patient.

Thank you, Jill.

I am aware that the medical community needs to have a radical change in the language they portray themselves with, in order to progress and provide a more effective, ethical service.

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May 26, 2013 10:13 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
jac379: Why are borderline personality disorder and malignant narcissism lumped in with psycopathy at the beginning of your text, but not discussed in the main body of your text?

How do you define incurable?

Sorry, this was meant for Tomcatswarne.
May 26, 2013 10:36 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
liorlaramie
liorlaramieliorlaramieCape Town, Western Cape South Africa4 Posts
My husband I had to part from was and is mentally ill. He is an irrational angry person. I would not recommend a normal person to take this on unless...they are prepared to seek help and take medication and keep it under control. Only then...contemplate it. It can ruin your life if they do not stick to their word.
May 26, 2013 10:44 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
I have twice been in a relationship with women with depression and no, I wont do it again.
Cant cope with that. sigh
May 26, 2013 10:47 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
Poet727: I just wondered if anyone would date a person with a mental illness? Be honest.

I`d like to take a Woman with Tourette syndrome on a few dates, church,museum, theater ... to the opera
May 26, 2013 10:56 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
Cyn_Real
Cyn_RealCyn_RealHappily Taken,, New Territories Hong Kong3 Threads 515 Posts
Poet727: I just wondered if anyone would date a person with a mental illness? Be honest.


If mental illness is considered as pshychotic behavior combined with rudeness and anti social manners, I think only somebody who has no choice would go for that...

if I can get the greater, why should I settle to the lesser ??? even only for a date, my answer is NO... there is no point at all...
May 26, 2013 4:38 PM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
Poet727
Poet727Poet727Bath, Pennsylvania USA4 Threads 2 Polls 17 Posts
Poet727: I just wondered if anyone would date a person with a mental illness? Be honest.
. I'm not a psychopath. I have history of depression and hearing voices. But I take my medication every day and go to all my appointments. I'm not as bad as I was. I didn't do this to scare people away. I did it to see if there were still decent people left. But apparently most people think that if you have a mental illness, you must be crazy. That's not true with everybody. People like me have no control over this except for medications. I've had this disease for 16 years. That doesn't make me a bad person. I have any other right to be happy with a woman as anyone else does. I'll be honest. I've never had a girlfriend. But that's because I'm very shy. I just don't want to spend the rest of my life alone. I want to have a family. But no woman here will give me a chance. I have many friends on another site. It's not a dating site though. And I refuse to pay money online just to find my eventful soulmate. Everybody is meant for someone. And that's my motivation.
May 26, 2013 8:37 PM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
langleygirl
langleygirllangleygirlWestlock, Alberta Canada70 Threads 8,202 Posts
Poet727: . I'm not a psychopath. I have history of depression and hearing voices. But I take my medication every day and go to all my appointments. I'm not as bad as I was. I didn't do this to scare people away. I did it to see if there were still decent people left. But apparently most people think that if you have a mental illness, you must be crazy. That's not true with everybody. People like me have no control over this except for medications. I've had this disease for 16 years. That doesn't make me a bad person. I have any other right to be happy with a woman as anyone else does. I'll be honest. I've never had a girlfriend. But that's because I'm very shy. I just don't want to spend the rest of my life alone. I want to have a family. But no woman here will give me a chance. I have many friends on another site. It's not a dating site though. And I refuse to pay money online just to find my eventful soulmate. Everybody is meant for someone. And that's my motivation.


So how about making the effort to be "less shy" instead of using the defence of being unable to find someone because you suffer from depression/voices etc.?

Lets face it, everyone has issues to overcome ... some more extreme then others, but one also has to come to the point that we can't hide behind these things either.

I think sometimes it also comes down to believing in ourselves that we are worthy, and despite our flaws we can have relationships with people. Sometimes we need to take the focus off the elephant, and focus on the positives otherwise we can be consumed by the darkness.
May 26, 2013 9:46 PM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
rider4u
rider4urider4uDunchurch, Ontario Canada8 Threads 1,361 Posts
hoolet: I married one


I married two (and a half) comfort doh
May 26, 2013 10:08 PM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
lalasierra
lalasierralalasierralos angeles, California USA147 Threads 67 Polls 935 Posts
Poet727: I just wondered if anyone would date a person with a mental illness? Be honest.


I believe I've dated a couple of men with mental illnesses.

My best friend of over years, has bipolar and sometimes it's takes a lot of energy to deal with her but other times not. No matter what, I still love her and she is a great person.

I also have friends and family who suffer from depression. It's a horrible thing but I do my best to try to help them and I still love them too.
May 27, 2013 4:38 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
emerald888
emerald888emerald888wicklow, Wicklow Ireland2 Threads 1,054 Posts
Poet727, I think it is very brave of you to post such a thread. Its clear nobody can define normal. And very apparent that many people in the past have dated people that could indeed have mental illness although have not yet been labelled with a mental illness.

So this my advice to you don't let mental illness define you. OK it part of you, there is no reason why you can not live a fulfilling life with all the same wants and needs as everyone else. Build on friendships, people that care for you will see past the illness. Im sure there is much more to you than just this.

I wish you all the best for the future. bouquet
May 27, 2013 4:49 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
epicure
epicureepicureAlanya/Antalya, Mediterranean Turkey401 Threads 10 Polls 5,224 Posts
I am a bipolar, taking lithuim pills.Anyone to date me here? tongue
May 27, 2013 4:55 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
emerald888
emerald888emerald888wicklow, Wicklow Ireland2 Threads 1,054 Posts
tongue tongue your too far away
May 27, 2013 5:04 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
damshoppin
damshoppindamshoppinmansfield, Nottinghamshire, England UK30 Threads 693 Posts
Nearly all the women I've dated were nuts, happily I've found one that isn't.. I knew there was one out there somewhere.
May 27, 2013 5:06 AM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
twinself
twinselftwinself..., Majjistral Malta36 Threads 1,347 Posts
rjrock: A lot of pointless heartache if you're not careful.


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May 27, 2013 4:27 PM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
pea24chy
pea24chypea24chyFan Ling Wai, Hong Kong2 Threads 57 Posts
For me,it depends.. not to smite and needs to calm down first by medications.
May 27, 2013 4:53 PM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
StillOfTheNight
StillOfTheNightStillOfTheNightClarenville Area, Newfoundland Canada11 Threads 2,832 Posts
innocent roll eyes wave
May 27, 2013 5:04 PM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Okay, I click on your post Still and you're on a page on your own waving, rolling your eyes and thinking you're one of god's angels.

Its not a good look given the context, hun.

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May 27, 2013 5:06 PM CST Would you date someone with a mental illness? (Please answer)
StillOfTheNight
StillOfTheNightStillOfTheNightClarenville Area, Newfoundland Canada11 Threads 2,832 Posts
jac379: Okay, I click on your post Still and you're on a page on your own waving, rolling your eyes and thinking you're one of god's angels.

Its not a good look given the context, hun.


Hey, it could be worst :)

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