Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?. (98)

Mar 30, 2014 4:36 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
PASADENA, Calif. — Our universe didn't need any divine help to burst into being, famed cosmologist Stephen Hawking told a packed house here at the California Institute of Technology Tuesday night (April 16).

Many people had begun queuing up for free tickets to Hawking's 8:00 p.m lecture, titled "The Origin of the Universe," 12 hours earlier. By 6:00 p.m. local time, the line was about a quarter-mile long.

A second auditorium and a Jumbotron-equipped lawn, which itself was jammed with an estimated 1,000 viewers, were needed to handle the overflow crowd. At least one person was observed offering $1,000 for a ticket, with no success. [Big Bang to Now in 10 Easy Steps]

Stephen Hawking began the event by reciting an African creation myth, and rapidly moved on to big questions such as, Why are we here?

He noted that many people still seek a divine solution to counter the theories of curious physicists, and at one point, he quipped, “What was God doing before the divine creation? Was he preparing hell for people who asked such questions?”

After outlining the historical theological debate about how the universe was created, Hawking gave a quick review of more scientific cosmological explanations, including Fred Hoyle and Thomas Gold’s steady-state theory. This idea hypothesizes that there is no beginning and no end and that galaxies continue to form from spontaneously created matter.

Hawking said this theory and several other ideas don't hold up, citing recent observations by space telescopes and other instruments.

Long Line for Stephen Hawking Talk at CaltchPin It Enthusiastic attendees started lining up 12 hours early for Hawking's 8:00 p.m. lecture at Caltech on April 16, 2013. The overflow crowd stretched for more than a quarter mile.

After giving a brief historical background on relativistic physics and cosmology, Hawking discussed the idea of a repeating Big Bang. He noted that in the 1980s, he and physicist Roger Penrose proved the universe could not “bounce” when it contracted, as had been theorized.

Therefore, time began at the moment of singularity, and this has likely occurred only once, Hawking said. The age of the universe — now believed to be about 13.8 billion years — fits that model, as the number and maturity of observed galaxies seem to fit in the general scheme.

In another observation of modern religion, Hawking noted that in the 1980s, around the time he released a paper discussing the moment the universe was born, Pope John Paul II admonished the scientific establishment against studying the moment of creation, as it was holy.

“I was glad not to be thrown into an inquisition,” Hawking joked.

He closed by outlining "M-theory," which is based partly on ideas put forward years ago by another famed physicist, Caltech’s Richard Feynman. Hawking sees that theory as the only big idea that really explains what he has observed.

M-theory posits that multiple universes are created out of nothing, Hawking explained, with many possible histories and many possible states of existence. In only a few of these states would life be possible, and in fewer still could something like humanity exist. Hawking mentioned that he felt fortunate to be living in this state of existence.

Hawking closed the event with a familiar plea for continued exploration of the cosmos: “We must continue to go into space for the future of humanity,” he said, adding, “I don’t think we will survive another thousand years without escaping our fragile planet.”

Hawking has been battling the debilitating neurological disorder amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also known as Lou Gehrig's disase, for 50 years.

The physicist has been spending a month or so at Caltech, as he does each year, sequestered with colleagues, such as fellow theoretical physicist Kip Thorne, to discuss many great mysteries of the cosmos.
Mar 30, 2014 4:43 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
tomcatwarne: Says who???
the standard model.
Mar 30, 2014 5:03 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax: the standard model.
can you exsplain nothing.......??????
Mar 30, 2014 5:30 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Look uo big bang theory standard model.
truheart1941: can you exsplain nothing.......??????
Mar 30, 2014 5:35 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax: Look uo big bang theory standard model.
no need,...nothing is formed by having somethink around it....(eg) a doughnut with a hole..inthe middle.....grin
Mar 30, 2014 5:41 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax: that is correct no sound or light only heat.

Isn't heat Light of the Infrared Persuasion?grin
Mar 30, 2014 5:44 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
truheart1941: no need,...nothing is formed by having somethink around it....(eg) a doughnut with a hole..inthe middle.....

well,you can have the Hole,I'll eat the Donut!
Go well with a Cup of Java!laugh
Mar 30, 2014 6:43 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Conrad73: Isn't heat Light of the Infrared Persuasion?
according to the stand model it took around 13 million years after the big bang for molecules to form that made up nitrogen and hydrogen atom to cause a chemical reactions to form light,prior there was only heat.
Mar 30, 2014 6:50 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
theD0CT0R
theD0CT0RtheD0CT0RLaunceston, Tasmania Australia22 Threads 936 Posts
As the Doctor said, it's a wibbly wobbly timey wimey thing.

Here's a theory that I've just thought of....Most of us have heard of Black Holes right? Black Holes is where nothing can escape, including light? Well.... With all that energy and light going into the Black Hole, it's gotta go somewhere. What if all the lumps of rock, light and energy, is in itself, the start of another Big Bang? Sort of like, loading a cartridge shell will pellets and gunpowder. In the end BANG. thumbs up
Mar 30, 2014 7:00 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
theD0CT0R: As the Doctor said, it's a wibbly wobbly timey wimey thing.

Here's a theory that I've just thought of....Most of us have heard of Black Holes right? Black Holes is where nothing can escape, including light? Well.... With all that energy and light going into the Black Hole, it's gotta go somewhere. What if all the lumps of rock, light and energy, is in itself, the start of another Big Bang? Sort of like, loading a cartridge shell will pellets and gunpowder. In the end BANG.
sorry you are too late the idea is already floating amongst physicists laugh
Mar 30, 2014 7:02 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
truheart1941: no need,...nothing is formed by having somethink around it....(eg) a doughnut with a hole..inthe middle.....
you better stick with the with Kirk Cameron and the banana theory rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 30, 2014 7:04 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
theD0CT0R
theD0CT0RtheD0CT0RLaunceston, Tasmania Australia22 Threads 936 Posts
doh Damnit. You must admit though, it's a pretty good theory, even if I wasn't the first to come up with it? giggle
Mar 30, 2014 8:12 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
Dedovix
DedovixDedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia12 Threads 1 Polls 5,492 Posts
what exactly is the big bang theory
(According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics )
well, it sounds like the Emperor's New Groove ,to me
Mar 30, 2014 9:19 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
itsimpossible
itsimpossibleitsimpossibleBrisbane, Queensland Australia4 Threads 777 Posts
No one knows...just people who think they do
Mar 30, 2014 9:25 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
rider4u
rider4urider4uDunchurch, Ontario Canada8 Threads 1,361 Posts
In the beginning there was nothing...
And the Lord said "let there be light"
And there was still nothing,,,
But youse could see it...BANG dunno
Mar 30, 2014 9:26 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
rider4u
rider4urider4uDunchurch, Ontario Canada8 Threads 1,361 Posts
rider4u: In the beginning there was nothing...
And the Lord said "let there be light"
And there was still nothing,,,
But youse could see it...BANG


OOOOPs I repeated myself doh doh
Mar 30, 2014 11:19 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
Honestguy2013
Honestguy2013Honestguy2013Bournemouth, Dorset, England UK8 Posts
God created the universe and mankind personaly I find it takes more faith to believe in the big bang theory and the theory of evouluton ( like we evolved from monkeys I don't think so ) than it does to believe in a God creation making caretaker of the world/mankind
Mar 30, 2014 11:29 AM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
Everyone's got a theory.

I notice this thread was created last year.
Mar 30, 2014 12:05 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
sher7
sher7sher7rochester, Indiana USA6 Threads 19 Posts
The answer is in the very first few verses of The Bible...In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.the earth was without form and void:and darkness was upon the face of the deep,and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,He created our universe in 7 days and on the 7th day He rested,which is the sabbath day !
Mar 30, 2014 12:07 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
sher7: The answer is in the very first few verses of The Bible...In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.the earth was without form and void:and darkness was upon the face of the deep,and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,He created our universe in 7 days and on the 7th day He rested,which is the sabbath day !


Fiction.
Mar 30, 2014 2:37 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Honestguy2013: God created the universe and mankind personaly I find it takes more faith to believe in the big bang theory and the theory of evouluton ( like we evolved from monkeys I don't think so ) than it does to believe in a God creation making caretaker of the world/mankind
no science says humans evolved from monkeys. Those are religious ideas, so religious people will feel like they know what they are talking aboutlaugh
Mar 30, 2014 2:41 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Dedovix: Battle seems to be the right word . I will question every official "date,fact,hypothesis" at some point ...most discoveries have been made cause we are curious ,have doubts and question established knowledge and norms
I've been questioning few things lately too, like how did Cocaine and tobacco get into Egypt 4000 years ago. As far as we know there was no sea trade pre Columbus.
Mar 30, 2014 2:44 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
sher7: The answer is in the very first few verses of The Bible...In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.the earth was without form and void:and darkness was upon the face of the deep,and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,He created our universe in 7 days and on the 7th day He rested,which is the sabbath day !
Here is the evidence that religious people do not evolve.laugh
Mar 30, 2014 2:46 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
we are here, because the environment suited our kind as we know it.....could we live on the planets we know about....without aid...????? no.
Mar 30, 2014 2:52 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
uptall
uptalluptallQuiet village..., Durham, England UK57 Threads 1 Polls 12,860 Posts
truheart1941: we are here, because the environment suited our kind as we know it.....could we live on the planets we know about....without aid...????? no.




I'm surprised you can live on this planet without aid...rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 30, 2014 2:56 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
truheart1941: we are here, because the environment suited our kind as we know it.....could we live on the planets we know about....without aid...????? no.
not us because we have evolved to suit this environment and you said it. It takes millions of years for that to occur. Even today conception has to take place in fluid, whether it be the egg or in the body.
Mar 30, 2014 3:58 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
sher7: The answer is in the very first few verses of The Bible...In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.the earth was without form and void:and darkness was upon the face of the deep,and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,He created our universe in 7 days and on the 7th day He rested,which is the sabbath day !


The original author of those words many 1,000's of years ago, didn't even know what a day was, didn't know that the earth was a sphere, didn't know that the Sun was a star, didn't know that the earth revolved on its axis which was tilted roughly 23 degrees which produced our seasons, didn't know that the earth revolved around the Sun, didn't even know what light was, yet he said let there be light and there was light.
I guess that explains everything.
Mar 30, 2014 4:08 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
cliff1434
cliff1434cliff1434chicago, Illinois USA2 Posts
I believe in Jesus. I don't see why people have a problem with that.
Mar 30, 2014 4:17 PM CST Did God create the universe or did the Big Bang?.
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