Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism (204)

Jan 1, 2014 3:27 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland42 Threads 1 Polls 2,921 Posts
BenG2011: were all equal


If you mean under the law, then yes we are all equal due to equality legislation that has been in place for many decades. Feminism isn't about equality though. It's about 'equality for women'. "Equality for women" is the slogan of a perpetual advocacy group that has no end point. In other words there will never come a point where Feminists will say, "ok, that's fine, we have 'equality' now". It's a continual push to get more and more privilege for their gender, which is in fact, as this poll states, privilege and superior treatment for one gender. They don't care how many men they crush in the crusade, in fact many gloat, the more the merrier.

As for us all being equal in a general sense; no we are not. Neither you nor I are equal to Albert Einstein, Ussaim Bolt or Charles Manson. We are all different, with different capabilities and talents. If more black men than white men win the 100m sprint in the Olympics I do not cry that they are oppressing me, that there is an invisible 'negrocracy' in society and demand legislation to make sure half the winners of the 100m sprint be white men. And yet that is the endless campaign Feminism has embarked upon. They will only be stopped when people recognise them for the vile gender supremacists they are and cease to believe they in any way represent the slogans they hold.

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Jan 1, 2014 7:14 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
ChiefOhara
ChiefOharaChiefOharaMallow, Cork Ireland6 Threads 36 Posts
MADDOG69: The argument against women on front line, gun-in-hand duty is sound though. You don't have to be a soldier to understand it:

Walk down the street on a Saturday night and see a man staggering around the palce and lurch over on the side of the street for a snooze. Ya might just laugh it off and walk on.

See a woman do the same, on her own, and there's very different switch's goes off inside a man's head. The natural response to protect the vulnerable young dame kicks off. Very different emotions. The type of emotions that gets people killed in a firefight. Anyway, that's how it was explained to me.

So in these Major-Minor wars that we see since the last war women can be afforded to be put on the front line..... the Major is going to win anyway. But in the next Major-Major war, it won't work out very well.

As for the Soviet women.... there was a few remarkable cases. But overall they faired very poorly. 25% survival ratio among the sniper units speaks volumes. Some women can be very good in aviation however. As I explained a few times before, their big arses/thighs and small brains are perfect for G-Force tolerances.


I've heard some of the arguments for and against and to be honest they are pretty varied. There are a lot of problems to be ironed out but personally I'm optimistic.

This was an interesting read i came across a while back on a Canadian female platoon leader who served in Afghanistan



Not that it provides closure in anyway to the discussion but the article is interesting because she was the platoon leader.
Jan 2, 2014 10:29 AM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
tinyfangs
tinyfangstinyfangsunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland26 Threads 4 Polls 1,034 Posts
Vote - option 1

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You know what - screw this. I didn't vote before as I did not like the second option, but was asking myself how can I justify the first?

Well pfft - I can. I want males to have special privileges. In my view they need them. I want to see male pride, strength and will restored. They are the ones by nature created to stand between us females and the lions, and we have lions on the prowl in my view all over again.. but a different sort of lion, far more dangerous creatures moving behind the scenes of our concrete jungles, slowly leading us to the ultimate oppressed society...

What is see is that our strong, our protectors and providers are being ground down slowly but persistently. They are told to be ashamed of being 'violent', instead of being taught to take pride in their ability to act with any and all force if need arises. I heard once too often a male tell me 'oh I am all none violent, none conflict'. For heavens sake - what if we need our males to rise to defend themselves and us?

No, we don't want males 'oppressing' females, that's not what humanity was about when humanity was still healthy. Males and females worked together, but males did have privileges because we needed our males in practical terms more than what they needed us, and we developed ways of binding them to us, wonderful beautiful ways which needed no laws and lawyers, but needed from us to understand what made our males feel good and made them want to return to us.

A man should not be bound to a female via fear of losing almost all of his existence if he decides to leave her. He should be bound to her by love, a love she needs to instil in him through her natural ability to be warm, caring, able to sooth his aches and his wounds. In return, a healthy stable male will do everyhing a male can to keep that female safe and wanting to be his female. That's love.

Instable individuals can sometimes be spewn out by mutation, and nature tribes will deal with them, but what we see now is instable individuals cleverly being created on the factory floor of this new world on mass, so we need laws of course.. to protect their victims... all monopolised, decided by those who run our society, when it is our lifes, OUR society.

I don't fear oppression from males at all. I made some pretty bad experiences, but I made them because the ones I made them with had been broken and twisted by this brave new world. I don't fear oppression as I have confidence in my feminity, in my ability to be a warm, caring and ache soothing female that can bind a male with love alone, but I believe many females have lost that confidence, and I see that all part of the bigger plan behind the scenes.

No gender is 'better', we were created as parts of units, that is our equality, but males need and deserve to be cherished for their ability to protect and provide, and it should not have us cringe or object, but make us long to cherish them and give them all our warmth and care for it in return, make us wish to show them our appreciation, because we need them, today just as much as our foremother needed our forefathers to keep them protected from the prowling beats...


There, now slaughter me if you wish, I don't really care *shrugs and puts middle finger up to those modern lions in the shadows*
Jan 2, 2014 11:47 AM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
Well said Tiny.thumbs up

Men are supposed to be men, and women are supposed to be women.

Men behaving like girls goes against nature, and women behaving like men is just plain wrong.thumbs up
Jan 2, 2014 12:12 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
martini100
martini100martini100wexford, Wexford Ireland19 Threads 2,158 Posts
modermen: quote]Gender equality can never be acheived or will ever, who ever is the most capable of doing the job should get the job.



thumbs up I agree
Jan 2, 2014 4:37 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
tinyfangs
tinyfangstinyfangsunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland26 Threads 4 Polls 1,034 Posts
facetowardsfront: <-- someone who should be listened to, and those like him

Yes, people aren't freely coosing what they want to be at all, but are manipulated into choosing without even noticing it. And many males noawdays have even grown afraid of the challenges of being male. They are beginning to enjoy being soft of body and weakened of mind, through that creating a new gender in my view, for I can not call them male, even though I know this sounds harsh, I can not help that.

All the while females believe they have 'gained freedom' from some 'oppression', when in truth all of us are more shackled and tied then ever, and we females are now forced to grow stronger, due to the lack of males about still able or willing to protect and shelter a female, and none of this makes us happier. The system tells males as well as us what a 'good male' is all about, and I hear males everywhere proclaiming how 'nice and kind and considerate' they are - and then they wonder why females do not activate to them, and females wonder why hearing such doesn't get them all excited either.

The forefathers once ruled this world, supported by the foremothers, leaders once led from the front, not from the shadows, and love wasn't just something performed on TV screens by perfect faces and bodies, but had its place among real males and females, who still knew how to combine their evolutionary differences to the best benefit for their unions.

I just hope humanity will wake before it is too late, and that at least those of the future will be able to live again in natural freedom, instead of just existing as pawns used by the ones truly oppressing them.

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Jan 2, 2014 5:04 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
tinyfangs
tinyfangstinyfangsunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland26 Threads 4 Polls 1,034 Posts
facetowardsfront: My childhood hero was Sir Richard Francis Burton. Todays young men admire that idiot girlie boy David Beckham

And I believe we need to put an end to mixed schools. Growing up males should not be pitched against growing up females in a competing system in my view, but of course many will think me crazy for that and won't even understand where I am coming from -.-
Jan 2, 2014 5:11 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
tinyfangs: Yes, people aren't freely coosing what they want to be at all, but are manipulated into choosing without even noticing it. And many males noawdays have even grown afraid of the challenges of being male. They are beginning to enjoy being soft of body and weakened of mind, through that creating a new gender in my view, for I can not call them male, even though I know this sounds harsh, I can not help that.

All the while females believe they have 'gained freedom' from some 'oppression', when in truth all of us are more shackled and tied then ever, and we females are now forced to grow stronger, due to the lack of males about still able or willing to protect and shelter a female, and none of this makes us happier. The system tells males as well as us what a 'good male' is all about, and I hear males everywhere proclaiming how 'nice and kind and considerate' they are - and then they wonder why females do not activate to them, and females wonder why hearing such doesn't get them all excited either.

The forefathers once ruled this world, supported by the foremothers, leaders once led from the front, not from the shadows, and love wasn't just something performed on TV screens by perfect faces and bodies, but had its place among real males and females, who still knew how to combine their evolutionary differences to the best benefit for their unions.

I just hope humanity will wake before it is too late, and that at least those of the future will be able to live again in natural freedom, instead of just existing as pawns used by the ones truly oppressing them.



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Jan 2, 2014 5:24 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
Jan 2, 2014 6:41 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
tinyfangs
tinyfangstinyfangsunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland26 Threads 4 Polls 1,034 Posts
modermen: I just have to ask you this, are you in favour of mens rights or feminism??? or are you just sitting on the fence to see which way the political mood swings.

I could be wrong, but I think I recall she said she'd preferably would like a male smarter than her.

If that is the case, I'd say she'd have to be anti-feminism, as she is clearly aiming for a male 'superior' to her. And any female wanting a male taller than her, physically stronger than her, also aims for the same thing.

I can not grasp how then we same time as we WANT our males to be superior to us, can possibly complain if they get paid more, have priviliges flagging them as superior. How we can possibly support a system that makes males afraid to be males, tells them they shan't rise in their defense or defense of others, unless told/ordered to do so. It makes no sense if it appears quite clear that most females want males who outrank them in everything that is masculine, if same time females do not wish to aid males in being such. Can't have it both ways. Can't want strong proud males if same time we allow for them to be intimidated, kept down and shackled by laws that can hardly make them even look at us anymore. It is illogical, in my view at least.
Jan 2, 2014 6:55 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
modermen
modermenmodermencork, Cork Ireland66 Threads 1,108 Posts
tinyfangs: I could be wrong, but I think I recall she said she'd preferably would like a male smarter than her.

If that is the case, I'd say she'd have to be anti-feminism, as she is clearly aiming for a male 'superior' to her. And any female wanting a male taller than her, physically stronger than her, also aims for the same thing.

I can not grasp how then we same time as we WANT our males to be superior to us, can possibly complain if they get paid more, have priviliges flagging them as superior. How we can possibly support a system that makes males afraid to be males, tells them they shan't rise in their defense or defense of others, unless told/ordered to do so. It makes no sense if it appears quite clear that most females want males who outrank them in everything that is masculine, if same time females do not wish to aid males in being such. Can't have it both ways. Can't want strong proud males if same time we allow for them to be intimidated, kept down and shackled by laws that can hardly make them even look at us anymore. It is illogical, in my view at least.
Since the 1970s when the state sponserd and encouraged feminism there has been an entire generation of men made to feel inadequate or ashamed for being male, by going back in history when this has been the case when societies where male become soft or effete the country either falls apart or gets taken over.A lot of the time when I am out doing business I am hearing horror stories from men who either themselves or family or friends have have had their lives destroyed by these crazy anti male opressive laws and certain women though not all are taking advantage of that and other men are watching this. Some people might say on here oh no the feminist thread again well I say to that just turn on the national radio station for an hour or two and you will hear almost everyday feminists screaming anti male catch phrases and opression.Yep if men are continued to be treated like this for much longer their will be a back lash or over correction .
Jan 2, 2014 7:06 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland24 Threads 2,355 Posts
tinyfangs: I could be wrong, but I think I recall she said she'd preferably would like a male smarter than her.

If that is the case, I'd say she'd have to be anti-feminism, as she is clearly aiming for a male 'superior' to her. And any female wanting a male taller than her, physically stronger than her, also aims for the same thing.

I can not grasp how then we same time as we WANT our males to be superior to us, can possibly complain if they get paid more, have priviliges flagging them as superior. How we can possibly support a system that makes males afraid to be males, tells them they shan't rise in their defense or defense of others, unless told/ordered to do so. It makes no sense if it appears quite clear that most females want males who outrank them in everything that is masculine, if same time females do not wish to aid males in being such. Can't have it both ways. Can't want strong proud males if same time we allow for them to be intimidated, kept down and shackled by laws that can hardly make them even look at us anymore. It is illogical, in my view at least.
I am not anti-feminist but I am more pro femininism if you note the difference. I would like a man who is more intelligent than I, much as I delight in finding females friends who are so also. If it is my choice to be a feminine woman, I do not wish to presume that all women would choose to be feminine also. I think that there is space enough in this world for women who want to be the bread winners and men who want to be house husbands, for women who want to be soldiers and men who want to be carers. If one career is considered feminine only and the other masculine only it limits both genders.
Jan 2, 2014 7:14 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
tinyfangs
tinyfangstinyfangsunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland26 Threads 4 Polls 1,034 Posts
LadyBlackAdder: If one career is considered feminine only and the other masculine only it limits both genders.

Nature 'limited' us? Shall we aim for men growing wombs as well?

I overall understand what you are saying though, and I am all for free choice - the problem I am having is that I believe 'free choice' might not be as free as we wish to believe it is. We ARE being manipulated, there can be no doubt about it, on many many fronts, so I can not help but am a bit suspicious, all the more as what I believe to witness seems to be quite beneficial as in that it hands the younger sooner and sooner to the system.. among various other things...
Jan 2, 2014 7:28 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
sexydivabella
sexydivabellasexydivabellaDrogheda, Dublin Ireland44 Threads 4 Polls 5,978 Posts
LadyBlackAdder: I feel that you don't quite get what I am saying, Moder. I am neither anti-feminist nor anti-men's rights. While I, personally, believe that, for me, being a feminine woman suits me and my personality best, I do not compare feminism and femininity in the least. Lastly, I am, indeed, a humanist. Humanity comes first for me, being male or female is not important.


He has labelled you a FEMINIST now so you are banging your head off a wall debating with him!
Jan 2, 2014 7:30 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
Ana13
Ana13Ana13Winchester, Hampshire, England UK3 Threads 147 Posts
sirLarryIII: Great post Miss Mariannette,best wishes for 2014


laugh For a man with your profile photo freely and widely used by a multitude of people on a number of sites for comedic reasons, and your constant posts referring to big breasts, I had to laugh at this response of yours. laugh

Perhaps you should show your more serious side.
Jan 2, 2014 7:30 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
sexydivabella
sexydivabellasexydivabellaDrogheda, Dublin Ireland44 Threads 4 Polls 5,978 Posts
modermen: Well going by Japan and the male grass eaters is going to cause some serious problems for that country and the pot is simmering here.Acording to the stats on google mens right got more hits than the female rights, men are starting to look at their standing in society and are starting to go on strike. All it takes is just a few strong men and women to stand up to them and it will fall apart. I know wealthy men with big farms and business and there is absolutly no way they are getting married they have to much to loose. The people of the marxist faith have been pushing for all these issues we have today and they have them and the folk of the oposite side have been silent but now they will have their say and push will come to shove .


so are Men's Rights against marriage???? How will they pass their genes and money on then????? This is fascinating!!!!!!!
Jan 2, 2014 7:32 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland24 Threads 2,355 Posts
tinyfangs: Nature 'limited' us? Shall we aim for men growing wombs as well?

Nature might indeed have limited us to a certain degree as men cannot bear children and women are generally not as strong as men physically. However, we need not limit the options of the man who wishes to nurture and care for his children to the exclusion of a career or the woman who is fit and strong and wishes to pursue a physically demanding career. There may be few who make these choices but they should be open to them.
Jan 2, 2014 7:35 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
modermen
modermenmodermencork, Cork Ireland66 Threads 1,108 Posts
LadyBlackAdder: I am not anti-feminist but I am more pro femininism if you note the difference. I would like a man who is more intelligent than I, much as I delight in finding females friends who are so also. If it is my choice to be a feminine woman, I do not wish to presume that all women would choose to be feminine also. I think that there is space enough in this world for women who want to be the bread winners and men who want to be house husbands, for women who want to be soldiers and men who want to be carers. If one career is considered feminine only and the other masculine only it limits both genders.
Your getting me very confused there as you just said your pro feminist???? I mean what is it? if your a humanist fair enough, you can't be pro feminist and then all of a sudden a humanist, come off the fence.
Jan 2, 2014 7:36 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
sirLarryIII
sirLarryIIIsirLarryIIIClump, Kildare Ireland72 Threads 9 Polls 2,016 Posts
Ana13: For a man with your profile photo freely and widely used by a multitude of people on a number of sites for comedic reasons, and your constant posts referring to big breasts, I had to laugh at this response of yours.

Perhaps you should show your more serious side.


People are using my photo for comedic reasons?crying
And by the way big breasts is not an issue i take lightlyscold
Jan 2, 2014 7:38 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland24 Threads 2,355 Posts
modermen: Your getting me very confused there as you just said your pro feminist???? I mean what is it? if your a humanist fair enough, you can't be pro feminist and then all of a sudden a humanist, come off the fence.
Please, please note the extra syllable in pro femininism.
Jan 2, 2014 7:42 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland24 Threads 2,355 Posts
modermen: Well going by Japan and the male grass eaters is going to cause some serious problems for that country and the pot is simmering here.Acording to the stats on google mens right got more hits than the female rights, men are starting to look at their standing in society and are starting to go on strike. All it takes is just a few strong men and women to stand up to them and it will fall apart. I know wealthy men with big farms and business and there is absolutly no way they are getting married they have to much to loose. The people of the marxist faith have been pushing for all these issues we have today and they have them and the folk of the oposite side have been silent but now they will have their say and push will come to shove .
Chatting to a lot of young women I know, most of them say they have no interest in getting married either. Marriage is just not fashionable any more with men or women
Jan 2, 2014 7:43 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
sexydivabella
sexydivabellasexydivabellaDrogheda, Dublin Ireland44 Threads 4 Polls 5,978 Posts
LadyBlackAdder: Please, please note the extra syllable in pro femininism.


he won't understand that word at all.....he will just see the word FEMINIST
doesn't matter all the wonderful posts you have put on this thread about believing in the same rights for everyone or people being free to choose....it is like pissing in the wind!
Jan 2, 2014 7:50 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
modermen
modermenmodermencork, Cork Ireland66 Threads 1,108 Posts
LadyBlackAdder: Chatting to a lot of young women I know, most of them say they have no interest in getting married either. Marriage is just not fashionable any more with men or women
Young women don't want to get married??? why are there so many bridal shops selling all those white dresses, the thing is young women do want to get married but men increasingly don't because it isent a contract that favours men but favours women, did you get married?
Jan 2, 2014 7:56 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
sexydivabella
sexydivabellasexydivabellaDrogheda, Dublin Ireland44 Threads 4 Polls 5,978 Posts
modermen: Young women don't want to get married??? why are there so many bridal shops selling all those white dresses, the thing is young women do want to get married but men increasingly don't because it isent a contract that favours men but favours women, did you get married?


oh now that is really funny rolling on the floor laughing are all these young women marrying themselves! rolling on the floor laughing

cheers for that good laugh!
Jan 2, 2014 7:56 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland24 Threads 2,355 Posts
modermen: Young women don't want to get married??? why are there so many bridal shops selling all those white dresses, the thing is young women do want to get married but men increasingly don't because it isent a contract that favours men but favours women, did you get married?
Perhaps you haven't noticed but a lot of bridal shops have gone out of business recently.

I did get married, not in a white dress nor in a church, by the way, but I am not talking about my generation. There is a new generation now and they have little interest in marriage.
Jan 2, 2014 8:05 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
tinyfangs
tinyfangstinyfangsunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland26 Threads 4 Polls 1,034 Posts
I would really just like to put forward the question to women - if you want a taller male - why?

Is it because we like to look up to our males? Because we wish to have them towering over us as it makes us feel all warm inside and ready to submit to them? What other reason could it be? And I hear this specific requirement of the male being taller a lot from women.

But if we do wish to look up to our males physically, does this not entale that we overall wish to look up to them? That we want to know they are strong, capable, ready to protect us...

How can we want that if same time we want to be all 'equal'? Should that not mean we want males just same height as us? Or maybe shouldn't care what height they have compared to us, as we are all so equal.. how can something as silly as taller or shorter even cross our minds? o.O

It just puzzles me somehow.. uh oh blues
Jan 2, 2014 8:08 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
modermen
modermenmodermencork, Cork Ireland66 Threads 1,108 Posts
LadyBlackAdder: Perhaps you haven't noticed but a lot of bridal shops have gone out of business recently.

I did get married, not in a white dress nor in a church, by the way, but I am not talking about my generation. There is a new generation now and they have little interest in marriage.
So do you think thats a good thing? do you see that as the way forward, are you happy with the best thing for families we ever had has been destroyed by feminism or smashing the patriarchy, I'm not buying that I know women who want to get married.
Jan 2, 2014 8:14 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland24 Threads 2,355 Posts
tinyfangs: I would really just like to put forward the question to women - if you want a taller male - why?

Is it because we like to look up to our males? Because we wish to have them towering over us as it makes us feel all warm inside and ready to submit to them? What other reason could it be? And I hear this specific requirement of the male being taller a lot from women.

But if we do wish to look up to our males physically, does this not entale that we overall wish to look up to them? That we want to know they are strong, capable, ready to protect us...

How can we want that if same time we want to be all 'equal'? Should that not mean we want males just same height as us? Or maybe shouldn't care what height they have compared to us, as we are all so equal.. how can something as silly as taller or shorter even cross our minds? o.O

It just puzzles me somehow..
Personally, I don't care what height a man is. I had a wonderful time with a man the very same height as myself. I have also dated one man who was shorter but an absolute darling. However, I have found that most men who ask me out are actually taller than me but that isn't strange since I am the average height for a woman in Ireland at 5'4" and the average height for a man is 5'7".
Jan 2, 2014 8:16 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
LadyBlackAdder: Personally, I don't care what height a man is. I had a wonderful time with a man the very same height as myself. I have also dated one man who was shorter but an absolute darling. However, I have found that most men who ask me out are actually taller than me but that isn't strange since I am the average height for a woman in Ireland at 5'4" and the average height for a man is 5'7".

5'9" for men my age is about average in this country.
Jan 2, 2014 8:17 PM CST Are you in favour of men's rights or Feminism
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland24 Threads 2,355 Posts
modermen: So do you think thats a good thing? do you see that as the way forward, are you happy with the best thing for families we ever had has been destroyed by feminism or smashing the patriarchy, I'm not buying that I know women who want to get married.
Not marrying isn't destroying families. Those who want to create a family are still creating a family. They just aren't buying into the need to formalise things. Getting married doesn't stop families splitting up and being dissolved in some way or the other. Love is love whether it is solemnised by the "state" or not.

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