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chococherrie78samarinda, East Kalimantan Indonesia542 posts
Alfalfa: I have no idea how this rambling relates to the poll..Anyway..real Christians, as opposed to philandering politicians claiming to be men of faith, and not about MAKING YOU become LIKE THEM. Real Christian's love their fellow man. They believe that their path is the only one to a beautiful eternal life. They believe people off that path have an eternal life of pain and anguish. They don't want you to BE LIKE THEM, but they want you tell you about the path in the hopes you get on, saving you from eternal pain. For some reason this drives secular people nuts.
SuzyJThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands214 posts
Yes - history is proof of that. Christianity is responsible for more murders and tortures of innocent people than all world wars put together in my book. Just look at the witch hunts that occured in europe and the spanish retake of the 1400's. The forcing of most of the worlds civilisations to come under their belief system - europe, africa, south america. Only fairly recently in history have their methods become less violent.
Christians are not suppose to do to certain things, one of them is try and force fee religion to somebody. Another is fight about wether there is a God or not.
Yes they do it, but it is wrong. That is the way I was raised.
SuzyJ: Yes - history is proof of that. Christianity is responsible for more murders and tortures of innocent people than all world wars put together in my book. Just look at the witch hunts that occured in europe and the spanish retake of the 1400's. The forcing of most of the worlds civilisations to come under their belief system - europe, africa, south america. Only fairly recently in history have their methods become less violent.
Yes, anybody who reads history will agree with you, dear. BUT please bear in mind that nowhere in CHRISTIAN religion( the way christian religion was written at that time) asked christian to act in such violent manner. There were many good decent christians at that time who vehemently opposed thsoe curelties. I just had to mention about those good, decent christian people because it would be disservice to their great souls if i didn't.
SuzyJThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands214 posts
mnowsa: Yes, anybody who reads history will agree with you, dear. BUT please bear in mind that nowhere in CHRISTIAN religion( the way christian religion was written at that time) asked christian to act in such violent manner. There were many good decent christians at that time who vehemently opposed thsoe curelties. I just had to mention about those good, decent christian people because it would be disservice to their great souls if i didn't.
Yes, there are good people everywhere and although Im not a christian, I have another faith, I happen to believe in Jesus as a generally good guy who lived a long time ago so I dont necessarily knock his principles but the bible as far as Im aware was written by other men who I dont know and the things which have been done in the name of the christian God and Jesus are, I think, a total violation of everything he stood for. I think Jesus would be appauled at many of the applications of his beliefs.
The original question was not asking if all christians are good or bad, because they contain both types of people same as any other group, but was would they try to force their belief on others? My answer is they already have.
oh...if you ladies are already convinced that they already have indeed forced christianity, i don't dare to conclude otherwise...how can i despute two pretty ladies, after all? But my question is that don't you think if they already have "forced" christianity upon others, they can always denounce their beliefs in christianity. don't you think?
SuzyJThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands214 posts
mnowsa: oh...if you ladies are already convinced that they already have indeed forced christianity, i don't dare to conclude otherwise...how can i despute two pretty ladies, after all? But my question is that don't you think if they already have "forced" christianity upon others, they can always denounce their beliefs in christianity. don't you think?
Millions did and lost their lives as a result - don't know about you but if I have a choice to live and wear a mask of a religion just to survive I will choose that cos life is the most precious thing I possess so I guess many were simply forced into accepting the faith. And now that most people are free to denounce their fiath or not practice it as rigidly they are slowly leaving - church stats will show you that christianity is rapidly on the decline.
Alfalfa: I have no idea how this rambling relates to the poll..Anyway..real Christians, as opposed to philandering politicians claiming to be men of faith, and not about MAKING YOU become LIKE THEM. Real Christian's love their fellow man. They believe that their path is the only one to a beautiful eternal life. They believe people off that path have an eternal life of pain and anguish. They don't want you to BE LIKE THEM, but they want you tell you about the path in the hopes you get on, saving you from eternal pain. For some reason this drives secular people nuts.
Are not Protestants and Catholics both of the christian faith? Why are they at war with each other? maybe the members from Ireland can answer this one.
SuzyJ: Millions did and lost their lives as a result - don't know about you but if I have a choice to live and wear a mask of a religion just to survive I will choose that cos life is the most precious thing I possess so I guess many were simply forced into accepting the faith. And now that most people are free to denounce their fiath or not practice it as rigidly they are slowly leaving - church stats will show you that christianity is rapidly on the decline.
I think you have a point when you say that christians are slowly leaving the churches, and it is not really a good sign as far as overall welfare of this whole world is concerned, because practice of christianity, generally speaking, like other organized/monoethiest religions teaches us to live in peace and harmony more often than not. By the way, i am not really a christian...i am a muslim.
The Enlightened Ones called CHRISTIANS - Will Not . . . They don't need to because their lives & achievements are the proofs & testimonies that made a good number of people changed & become like them.
The Loud Prophesing "christians" - Will do and you'd better watch out.
Read these books and you'll get a general History lesson, a religious lesson and so on.
Ohapse History of the world.By H.G.Wells. The Bible.Schofield's Reference/study bible. Buy and use a Greek/Hebrew Lexicon. For translation purposes.
Many of the original writings on scrolls found deteriorated over the centuries,and often due ti this or wrong interpretation by ancient scholars,(remember 'Chinese whispers' and how that works?)no word was found to befit so they added what they assumed the closest words/meanings to be.I.e; When Jesus said "Repent" he was saying turn away,turn your back on(sins),in a sense, but the word comes from the Greek,'Mentoia' which actually means transform,convert.'Transform your Soul'.That's the difference between what was said way back then,and the misconception,that churches pass off as the 'truth' today.Also he spoke in Aramaic,so his mindset was Aramaic,often Jewish,an eastern mindset.Not as we think.In a Western mindset. As the stories in the Bible were from God through angels,or messengers,to Prophets like Isaiah,Ezekiel etc to men who wrote it down, sometimes years after it occurred. But, the latter Church fathers in translation,were ordered to deliberately edit,destroy,hide,certain books and scriptures as they were in false Churches introducing false doctrines, as there whole motive was money,corruption and greed.They had established certain dogmas, and anyone who opposed it and revealed their sinister plans, were killed,and all their religious material was burned.All record of their existence was destroyed.
In the Old testament of the Bible, from Genesis to Moses, to the death of Joseph,the Pharaoh,Christianity was MONOTHEISTIC.Moses has been claimed as the father of Monotheism - the belief in one all powerful God. He warned the Egyptians,as they were POLYTHEISTIC- believed in one or more Gods.Ra,Ashatar,etc.
Todays modern Christianity claims or rather,professes to be MONOTHEISTIC,but they are in fact POLYTHEISTIC -believe in more than one GOD - as they have the Trinity concept-that GOD is the Supreme,the Father,the Almighty,JESUS is GOD the Father,the Almighty,and also the Holy Spirit. A doctrine created by Tertillian,presented and accepted by the Nicence council, as the Nicene Creed.Then readily accepted by the congregations. Yet Jesus often states the father sent him, the father is greater,and they are one - in the same cause.
PatchAdams: In the Old testament of the Bible, from Genesis to Moses, to the death of Joseph,the Pharaoh,Christianity was MONOTHEISTIC.Moses has been claimed as the father of Monotheism - the belief in one all powerful God. He warned the Egyptians,as they were POLYTHEISTIC- believed in one or more Gods.Ra,Ashatar,etc.
Todays modern Christianity claims or rather,professes to be MONOTHEISTIC,but they are in fact POLYTHEISTIC -believe in more than one GOD - as they have the Trinity concept-that GOD is the Supreme,the Father,the Almighty,JESUS is GOD the Father,the Almighty,and also the Holy Spirit. A doctrine created by Tertillian,presented and accepted by the Nicence council, as the Nicene Creed.Then readily accepted by the congregations. Yet Jesus often states the father sent him, the father is greater,and they are one - in the same cause.
The Father is Almighty God. The word Elohim is plural. The God of the Old Testament was the Logos/Word/Rock/to be Christ part of the God family. Only by The Logos was the Father ever known to us. There is one Almighty God....the Father. But Christ was part of the Elohim and was God of old as far as man understood. The Holy Spirit is not a third personage. With study you will find that the trinity concept has pagan roots and was added to the way. There is the Father and the Son, of the Holy Spirit.
RillyNiceGuy: The Father is Almighty God. The word Elohim is plural. The God of the Old Testament was the Logos/Word/Rock/to be Christ part of the God family. Only by The Logos was the Father ever known to us. There is one Almighty God....the Father. But Christ was part of the Elohim and was God of old as far as man understood. The Holy Spirit is not a third personage. With study you will find that the trinity concept has pagan roots and was added to the way. There is the Father and the Son, of the Holy Spirit.
That's of course if you believe any of this stuff.
BClady: Are not Protestants and Catholics both of the christian faith? Why are they at war with each other? maybe the members from Ireland can answer this one.
I was born in N. Ireland. It wasn't and isn't about religion. It has always been about one group dominating another who had been backed into a corner.
mnowsa: o crap...the father v/s son is really spinning my head. I am pretty sure neither "the father" nor "the son" would be very thrilled about this debate
Study will make things clear only if you seek the truth.....otherwise confusion remains.
scon1916: I was born in N. Ireland. It wasn't and isn't about religion. It has always been about one group dominating another who had been backed into a corner.
They both think they are of God. But both speak with their lips of God with false teachings.......their hearts are far far from God. You have two false belief systems both claiming Christ doing ungodly things. They speak of Christ....but he does not know them.
I am sorry you and your country has to indure such things for the sake of power, greed and survival.
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