Maybe- Different things, work for different people
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Than you loved them? I am well aware we all love differently, for different reasons and have different definitions of what love should be.
I mean, I have been in two serious Long Term Relationships. I loved them both. Scenario number one: he loved the ground I walked on. I did love him too, but I knew that I could easily live without him, he didn't make my world stop but I still nonetheless loved him. Scenario number two: Last serious relationship, I fell hard and think it left a dent! I would have a physical reaction when I saw him, butterflies would dance in my stomach, my breath would momentarily stop. Although he wasn't my first "love" he was my first love in terms of the fantastical type you read about, that poets have dittied about, singers have sung about.... But alas, he didn't feel even halfway the same as I did but I know in some ways he loved me. Thinking back, I would have been a lot better treated by guy in Scenario One, but I would never have loved him as he deserved.
Will it ever work, if you stay with someone that you don't love to the same level as they love you? It seems like a double edged sword.
I have been in this sort of situation a couple of times and always chose the wrong person I don't believe in "soul mates." I think scenario number is more likely to succeed in the long run. If you have stable love, you can often figure out the little details. Sometimes, though, that just isn't enough either and you have to just love yourself. Never mistake lust for love.
avecaim: I have been in this sort of situation a couple of times and always chose the wrong person I don't believe in "soul mates." I think scenario number is more likely to succeed in the long run. If you have stable love, you can often figure out the little details. Sometimes, though, that just isn't enough either and you have to just love yourself. Never mistake lust for love.
This thread deserves a wider audience, it is a wonderful thread...
I could not be with a person who lacked the emotional investment that I put into a relationship.
I would not want to be, as I would tell a person that I did not feel as much for as I knew they felt for me. When I became ready for a relationship, I wanted to have a person that would be able to handle all aspects of a relationship that I can. With a balance of being able to support me in my weaker moments, I was and still am very honest about that. While I am self sufficient alone, and do not need propping up emotionally, I have those times when I need to lean on a person.
As I am a great source of support in my other half's life, I want to love and support him because I am damn good at that. I knew I would make a good partner, but it had to be with someone who ignited that fire in me.
It would not work for me, I can only say that. If he loved me less that I him, I would leave and the same if he had greater depth for me. You cannot force what is not there.
mbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA16,449 posts
Sommerauer71: This thread deserves a wider audience, it is a wonderful thread...
I could not be with a person who lacked the emotional investment that I put into a relationship.
I would not want to be, as I would tell a person that I did not feel as much for as I knew they felt for me. When I became ready for a relationship, I wanted to have a person that would be able to handle all aspects of a relationship that I can. With a balance of being able to support me in my weaker moments, I was and still am very honest about that. While I am self sufficient alone, and do not need propping up emotionally, I have those times when I need to lean on a person.
As I am a great source of support in my other half's life, I want to love and support him because I am damn good at that. I knew I would make a good partner, but it had to be with someone who ignited that fire in me.
It would not work for me, I can only say that. If he loved me less that I him, I would leave and the same if he had greater depth for me. You cannot force what is not there.
It depends... When I love someone it because of the way I feel towards them without expectations... As long as they love me in their own way I'm ok with it... Nuff said... Or is there???
I fell hook line n sinker for my last fella totally adored him he loved me but not as much,this hurt me alot but i stuck with it cos i couldnt bare to be without him,,,it went on for 7 n half yrs i decided enuf was enuf through out that time my feelings was beginning to change towards him n when i finished it it was him that couldnt bare to be without me,,seems he grew to love me when i had outgrown him
If someone loves you less then in time you will find yourself wanting more, that will create a crack in the relationship that can only deepen If you love someone less, then chance will be that either the above will cause a split or you will seek someone who would deserve all your love Sommer is correct in my view, love should be balanced and equal.
rizlared: If someone loves you less then in time you will find yourself wanting more, that will create a crack in the relationship that can only deepen If you love someone less, then chance will be that either the above will cause a split or you will seek someone who would deserve all your love Sommer is correct in my view, love should be balanced and equal.
I cannot see any relationship working in this manner Riz.
Loving to me means feeling fulfilled, I want to fulfil and I want to be fulfilled, I will not be in one where I am not. I cannot set myself up for pain and hurt if I was loved less and I cannot be with a person who I would ultimately hurt badly. Just not in me.
While there are times that our feelings adjust, I work with them as opposed to against them and I out myself, so if I am not feeling so good, I am learning to stick my hand up and say 'Hey, let's talk about this'
If one is feeling less loved, I believe that this is a toxis situation that breeds resentment and anger and I cannot be in such a place. Even though, we, Captain and I are apart for some periods of time, we have that balance, healthy and remain as close as we are, I still feel fulfilled and happy with my relationship and I hate the partings, but I can cope.
I can as can he still maintain a life apart, we have the contact, we have the feelings...
If I felt as though I was not loved, I would be walking.
Sommerauer71: I cannot see any relationship working in this manner Riz.
Loving to me means feeling fulfilled, I want to fulfil and I want to be fulfilled, I will not be in one where I am not. I cannot set myself up for pain and hurt if I was loved less and I cannot be with a person who I would ultimately hurt badly. Just not in me.
While there are times that our feelings adjust, I work with them as opposed to against them and I out myself, so if I am not feeling so good, I am learning to stick my hand up and say 'Hey, let's talk about this'
If one is feeling less loved, I believe that this is a toxis situation that breeds resentment and anger and I cannot be in such a place. Even though, we, Captain and I are apart for some periods of time, we have that balance, healthy and remain as close as we are, I still feel fulfilled and happy with my relationship and I hate the partings, but I can cope.
I can as can he still maintain a life apart, we have the contact, we have the feelings...
If I felt as though I was not loved, I would be walking.
Exactly, that is what I was trying to say, but you did a better job, I am just tired was a long day teaching 4:30 to 10:30
I firmly believe all relationships have someone loving more than the other from time-to-time. In my case, I know Liz loved me far more than I loved her in the early years. I am slow to love!
Somewhere around the 20 year mark the love equalized.
During the early 30's years of us being together she again loved me more; however, for the last 10 years I finally figured out what love was and it was great, fantastic and wonderful.
My point is that relationships and love change over time and does not alway stay equal. I believe there is nothing wrong with this. Relationship requires compromise and adjustments. Each party has to make them for it to work.
Big_John: I firmly believe all relationships have someone loving more than the other from time-to-time. In my case, I know Liz loved me far more than I loved her in the early years. I am slow to love!
Somewhere around the 20 year mark the love equalized.
During the early 30's years of us being together she again loved me more; however, for the last 10 years I finally figured out what love was and it was great, fantastic and wonderful.
My point is that relationships and love change over time and does not alway stay equal. I believe there is nothing wrong with this. Relationship requires compromise and adjustments. Each party has to make them for it to work.
See, this is why this a good thread, because of the input of thoughts...
I now have to rethink my words Big guy, because while I say I could not be in a relationship with a person if they loved me less, or I loved them less, I can relate to that. I don't believe love can be measured.
Love grows, it evolves, feelings change for each other, how we adjust our feelings to that particular situation and how we feel and I mentioned embracing my feelings as opposed to fighting them.
But, and I say this loosely, if I felt I was not loved then I would have to leave it...
Sommerauer71: See, this is why this a good thread, because of the input of thoughts...
I now have to rethink my words Big guy, because while I say I could not be in a relationship with a person if they loved me less, or I loved them less, I can relate to that. I don't believe love can be measured.
Love grows, it evolves, feelings change for each other, how we adjust our feelings to that particular situation and how we feel and I mentioned embracing my feelings as opposed to fighting them.
But, and I say this loosely, if I felt I was not loved then I would have to leave it... Good post there, Sir. Definitely thinking fodder.
I feel the same way you do; if I don't feel I am being loved I would leave.
tgwstw: Than you loved them? I am well aware we all love differently, for different reasons and have different definitions of what love should be.
I mean, I have been in two serious Long Term Relationships. I loved them both. Scenario number one: he loved the ground I walked on. I did love him too, but I knew that I could easily live without him, he didn't make my world stop but I still nonetheless loved him. Scenario number two: Last serious relationship, I fell hard and think it left a dent! I would have a physical reaction when I saw him, butterflies would dance in my stomach, my breath would momentarily stop. Although he wasn't my first "love" he was my first love in terms of the fantastical type you read about, that poets have dittied about, singers have sung about.... But alas, he didn't feel even halfway the same as I did but I know in some ways he loved me. Thinking back, I would have been a lot better treated by guy in Scenario One, but I would never have loved him as he deserved.
Will it ever work, if you stay with someone that you don't love to the same level as they love you? It seems like a double edged sword.
It could work, but I wouldn't advise it. If love isn't (roughly) equal, you shouldn't be together, imo.
tgwstw: Than you loved them? I am well aware we all love differently, for different reasons and have different definitions of what love should be.
I mean, I have been in two serious Long Term Relationships. I loved them both. Scenario number one: he loved the ground I walked on. I did love him too, but I knew that I could easily live without him, he didn't make my world stop but I still nonetheless loved him. Scenario number two: Last serious relationship, I fell hard and think it left a dent! I would have a physical reaction when I saw him, butterflies would dance in my stomach, my breath would momentarily stop. Although he wasn't my first "love" he was my first love in terms of the fantastical type you read about, that poets have dittied about, singers have sung about.... But alas, he didn't feel even halfway the same as I did but I know in some ways he loved me. Thinking back, I would have been a lot better treated by guy in Scenario One, but I would never have loved him as he deserved.
Will it ever work, if you stay with someone that you don't love to the same level as they love you? It seems like a double edged sword.
It also depends what you're looking for. People afraid of commitment, for instance, might find either a relationship where they aren't into their partner or one where their partner isn't that into him safe, because it spares the person committing to a serious relationship.
Ambrose2007: It could work, but I wouldn't advise it. If love isn't (roughly) equal, you shouldn't be together, imo.
Hum...
I'm thinking Ambrose. Roughly equal???
See, I want to explore this further, how can one stop the love at a point? So in essence, is that when one person feels that they are loved equally, that love then stops? Because it is equal?
My love never stops growing, the relationship is growing, deeper. So when we are par, if we both feel that we love each other the same and we are satisfied with that, then what happens?
But I do not expect that he is at the same level as me. I know that with each day, each conversation, time spent together, then it deepens?
I think John has given us excellent words here, and it has made me rethink.
About equal and balanced love, I do not feel that love is a fluid that we can pop in measuring jug to see what level it is at...
And I cannot see myself ever saying the words to him, 'I love you more or less than you love me' And if he said the words to me, I think I might laugh...
Because then he or I would be questioning the love we have for each other and if it has to be questioned, then it is in doubt.
See, I want to explore this further, how can one stop the love at a point? So in essence, is that when one person feels that they are loved equally, that love then stops? Because it is equal?
My love never stops growing, the relationship is growing, deeper. So when we are par, if we both feel that we love each other the same and we are satisfied with that, then what happens?
But I do not expect that he is at the same level as me. I know that with each day, each conversation, time spent together, then it deepens?
I think John has given us excellent words here, and it has made me rethink.
About equal and balanced love, I do not feel that love is a fluid that we can pop in measuring jug to see what level it is at...
And I cannot see myself ever saying the words to him, 'I love you more or less than you love me' And if he said the words to me, I think I might laugh...
Because then he or I would be questioning the love we have for each other and if it has to be questioned, then it is in doubt.
That's why I said "roughly equal" - to allow for all that growing, ebbing, and flowing.
I have a feeling if you love each other very deeply, then exact measurements would be irrelevant (if they were even possible).
LethalLove: I so enjoy those that like to peel back the layers and look at things a little more deeply...In my experiences....no love is equal..
Love in an internal feeling, an emotional experience...we all experience things on different levels.
Some are incredibly intense...profoundly affected by something that may appear to another, to be quite mediocre.
There are moments where the love i am feeling for my partner is exquisitely excrutiating, it almost hurts to breathe I am so affected by it.
Do I expect him to be feeling that profound depth, for me , in that exact moment? Goodness no!Love is deeply personal...how we express it is when it becomes 'public'.
Am I aware on some level, that he feels love for me? yes....by the demonstrable behaviours.
How intense is that love he feels for me? only he knows in any given moment.
Yes. As obviously, the object of your affection may do something that tickles you without even realizing. We cannot expect love to be a non stop game of ping pong. I don't think that love should always be perfectly balanced between both parties. I do however know that there are those out there, who might as well be having a relationship with a work of art. They look at it, see it for all it's beauty, it affects them, it moves them, can make them cry...... But fundamentally, the piece of art does not hold feeling for you, although you do for it. That is the kind of relationship I was referring to. That was a terrible analogy! Best I can think of on 4 hours sleep! I was more referring to an unbalanced love gauge over a period of time. I mean, personally speaking and this is awful... I could never go through being completely in love with someone and them loving me, but more of a fondness than a deep kind of love. I could definitely have someone love me fiercely right now. Very selfish, but I don't see the point in being dishonest.
Sommerauer71: Wonderful insight there, Miss. Especially the highlighted statement, I like this very much.
I think you running close to the curb there, very close. It is something that I often say to myself and other people say to me, how is it to be loved? Not asking me how it is that I love, how it is that he loves me so much???
I translate that to mean, 'how do you feel knowing that he feels so much about you?' Is this not asking me how I feel about the way he makes me feel? As opposed to asking me who I feel about loving him?
This is why I thought your question was fantastic, initially I thought I would not enter the thread, then I saw you were the author and let's face it you're not daft, so I came to have a nose.
It had me thinking, rethinking and more thinking. Super thread.
Thanks a million! Bold Text above is exactly what has been running through my head today! Over and Over! It all came about when my Dad asked if I heard from ex from scenario number one. The good guy, that I loved, but not to the same extent as he loved me. I don't often reminisce, but I know that if I had stayed with him, he would have given me a good life. I just wanted to feel something intense, something to blow the head clean off my shoulders... They guy I dated afterward, did all that and more. But it was awfully painful to be the tormented for a change. Possibly Karma, for a breaking a heart that had never intentionally broken mine. We often get so caught up in what love should be, ideally, that we dismiss what love is, realistically.
LethalLove: I so enjoy those that like to peel back the layers and look at things a little more deeply
Me too.
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Love in an internal feeling, an emotional experience...we all experience things on different levels.
I am thinking more and more on this one Madam, because it cannot be equal, I feel differently for him than he does for me, because we cannot possibly feel the same, we are people and we think differently, but we can find an equal path to walk along and build on those feelings.
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Some are incredibly intense...profoundly affected by something that may appear to another, to be quite mediocre.
There are moments where the love i am feeling for my partner is exquisitely excrutiating, it almost hurts to breathe I am so affected by it.
Yep, this I understand and relate to.
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Do I expect him to be feeling that profound depth, for me , in that exact moment? Goodness no!Love is deeply personal...how we express it is when it becomes 'public'.
True and again I agree, I think that it is personal. I do not expect him to be thinking the same depth as I am. And I do think, Lethal you have hit the nail on the head, 'expect' Because many people when they love, and I have done it, I wish I could say I have not, I have, that I expected my ex husband to think as I did, that because I loved him, why he could not love me as I did him... Fact was, he was loving someone else, but that's another story! So my hurt kicked in, the feeling of being let down and hurt, because of those expectations.
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Am I aware on some level, that he feels love for me? yes....by the demonstrable behaviours.
Yes, good one.
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How intense is that love he feels for me? only he knows in any given moment.
Indeed!
And when he chooses to tell me what he is feeling in those given moments, then I feel it too...
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Would you stay with someone ,that loved you more, or loved you less......(Vote Below)
I am well aware we all love differently, for different reasons and have different definitions of what love should be.
I mean, I have been in two serious Long Term Relationships.
I loved them both.
Scenario number one: he loved the ground I walked on. I did love him too, but I knew that I could easily live without him, he didn't make my world stop but I still nonetheless loved him.
Scenario number two: Last serious relationship, I fell hard and think it left a dent! I would have a physical reaction when I saw him, butterflies would dance in my stomach, my breath would momentarily stop. Although he wasn't my first "love" he was my first love in terms of the fantastical type you read about, that poets have dittied about, singers have sung about.... But alas, he didn't feel even halfway the same as I did but I know in some ways he loved me.
Thinking back, I would have been a lot better treated by guy in Scenario One, but I would never have loved him as he deserved.
Will it ever work, if you stay with someone that you don't love to the same level as they love you? It seems like a double edged sword.