bodleing: The laws are there to protect us from stupid people doing stupid things, it's nothing to do with rights.
You got that right.. they couldn't care less what rights they take away from all of us in the name of protecting the few. As i said before.. we can't legislate stupidity. Stupid people will always exist.
bodleing: The laws are there to protect us from stupid people doing stupid things, it's nothing to do with rights.
Absolutely. I'd like to think that the guy driving the car that's coming towards me at a closing speed of 140 mph is looking out of the windscreen and not at his phone!
Godsgift: Absolutely. I'd like to think that the guy driving the car that's coming towards me at a closing speed of 140 mph is looking out of the windscreen and not at his phone!
Then outlaw cell phones entirely. Problem solved. No cell phones.. no drivers with cell phones either.
Simple logic. We ban all kinds of products that are unsafe to use. We ban car seats that are unsafe. We can ban cell phones too. Or for that matter we can ban the cars that allow stupid people to drive. Make it a law that all cars must have stupidity censors in them. All others are illegal.
Godsgift: Oh grow up and stop throwing your rattle out of the pram.
Grow up yourself. Just because you have no common sense dosen't mean you have the right to determine who can post their opinions on here. Godsgift of what? Stupidity?
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
bodleing: I'm not sure I follow that logic.
It's called the logic of anarchy.
While we are about it, take all the laws of life away, so that we ar not infringing the "basic rights" of individuals to be as irresponsible as they want.
So long as in doing so, the irresponsible ones do not infringe on AmericanG's rights to live the way he wants......
AmericanGardener: Simple logic. We ban all kinds of products that are unsafe to use. We ban car seats that are unsafe. We can ban cell phones too. Or for that matter we can ban the cars that allow stupid people to drive. Make it a law that all cars must have stupidity censors in them. All others are illegal. Grow up yourself. Just because you have no common sense dosen't mean you have the right to determine who can post their opinions on here. Godsgift of what? Stupidity?
Oh it's apparent to anyone reading this post just which of us lacks common sense.
While we are about it, take all the laws of life away, so that we ar not infringing the "basic rights" of individuals to be as irresponsible as they want.
So long as in doing so, the irresponsible ones do not infringe on AmericanG's rights to live the way he wants......
It's illegal here,but still they do it. Someone actually pulled right out in front of me yesterday and he had his phone in one hand,steering wheel in the other.I was none too happy as I was carrying elderly passengers.
While we are about it, take all the laws of life away, so that we ar not infringing the "basic rights" of individuals to be as irresponsible as they want.
So long as in doing so, the irresponsible ones do not infringe on AmericanG's rights to live the way he wants......
That'll be a tough one to call.
Yes.. logic of anarchy might be a good description. So would the logic of totalatarianism... and just like you i am only pointing out the absurdity of the laws. Not saying i agree with them. As if you haven't been able to read my earlier posts. I'm not in favor of driving while texting. So this has nothing to do with my rights.. i would never drive while talking on the cell phone or texting. I don't do either now. It's about the rights of everyone else in america. It's about taking away our constitutional rights in order to protect us from ourselfs.
Falkirkguy: It's illegal here,but still they do it. Someone actually pulled right out in front of me yesterday and he had his phone in one hand,steering wheel in the other.I was none too happy as I was carrying elderly passengers.
Well, surely carrying passengers is as bad a texting...... you should have put them in the back seat at least!!
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
AmericanGardener: Simple logic. We ban all kinds of products that are unsafe to use. We ban car seats that are unsafe. We can ban cell phones too. Or for that matter we can ban the cars that allow stupid people to drive. Make it a law that all cars must have stupidity censors in them. All others are illegal.
That's just ridiculous.
Look...using a hand held mobile phone whilst driving is unnecessarily adding to the risk of driving, particularly for the inexperienced or 'poor' driver. That is why it is now an offence to use one whilst driving.
AmericanGardener: Yes.. logic of anarchy might be a good description. So would the logic of totalatarianism... and just like you i am only pointing out the absurdity of the laws. Not saying i agree with them. As if you haven't been able to read my earlier posts. I'm not in favor of driving while texting. So this has nothing to do with my rights.. i would never drive while talking on the cell phone or texting. I don't do either now. It's about the rights of everyone else in america. It's about taking away our constitutional rights in order to protect us from ourselfs.
Look...using a hand held mobile phone whilst driving is unnecessarily adding to the risk of driving, particularly for the inexperienced or 'poor' driver. That is why it is now an offence to use one whilst driving.
No disagreement on that point at all. Even talking on a hands free phone in the car while driving has been proven to cause drivers to become distracted to the point of causing accidents. Brushing your hair or tuning in the radio station has been the cause of accidents. There are a million things that can distract a person from the task of paying attention to the road. Can we make them all illegal?
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
AmericanGardener: No disagreement on that point at all. Even talking on a hands free phone in the car while driving has been proven to cause drivers to become distracted to the point of causing accidents. Brushing your hair or tuning in the radio station has been the cause of accidents. There are a million things that can distract a person from the task of paying attention to the road. Can we make them all illegal?
Yep.... in the UK, it's called "driving without due care and attention" and people have been prosecuted for using electric razors, or putting on make-up while driving etc.
It really does NOT have anything to do with human rights !
dcj22: You know, we all aren't American on this site.
Yes dcj.. i'm aware of that. Also aware the original poster is in america. And since i'm an american i will speak to the american portion of the laws. You can speak to the rest.
Englishman55: Yep.... in the UK, it's called "driving without due care and attention" and people have been prosecuted for using electric razors, or putting on make-up while driving etc.
It really does NOT have anything to do with human rights !
Well there you go. I like that law. All encompassing and it covers all stupid acts. I like it alot. It makes much more sense than singling out just one stupid thing at a time.
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
AmericanGardener: No disagreement on that point at all. Even talking on a hands free phone in the car while driving has been proven to cause drivers to become distracted to the point of causing accidents. Brushing your hair or tuning in the radio station has been the cause of accidents. There are a million things that can distract a person from the task of paying attention to the road. Can we make them all illegal?
Well in the uk those things are illegal under the offence of failing to be in full control of a vehicle. Of course it's just a matter of common sense. Using mobile phones whislt driving is a fairly new practice comparatively speaking, but I have no doubt in my mind it is unecessary and dangerous.
bodleing: Well in the uk those things are illegal under the offence of failing to be in full control of a vehicle. Of course it's just a matter of common sense. Using mobile phones whislt driving is a fairly new practice comparatively speaking, but I have no doubt in my mind it is unecessary and dangerous.
I think your law is all that would be required then. As i said it's a very sensible way to go about it. And then everyone is responsible for themselfs and the way they drive a vehicle. There would be no need for any other laws if this one is in place. It's all inclusive and it covers all stupid actions whether specifically spelled out ahead of time or not.
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