tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
jac379: Its also suppressed affection.
Certainly in British culture, its not the done thing to gush with compliments...the recipient gets plain embarrassed. Sarcasm is a way of expressing affection without being intrusive.
Its a good way of flirting because if the recipient isn't interested in taking things further, it can be brushed off as a joke with no loss of face to either party.
If I were to respond to June by saying, "Bloody hell, she'll be drinking tea at 4 o'clock with her pinky finger sticking out before you know it!" I'm not meaning, "You can't be one of us because you come from a different country and culture", I'm meaning, "I really like you, we understand each other and have a lot of similarities, despite our different nationalities and culture".
I tend to think that those who view sarcasm as something negative maybe are the ones full of negativity. I don't mean that to be an insult, just that it perplexes that sarcasm is viewed negatively.
Even if somebody has annoyed me, I kind of think of it as a diffuser - getting my point across, but with humour.
Comes in useful when you dan't think of anything to say,
Certainly in British culture, its not the done thing to gush with compliments...the recipient gets plain embarrassed. Sarcasm is a way of expressing affection without being intrusive.
Its a good way of flirting because if the recipient isn't interested in taking things further, it can be brushed off as a joke with no loss of face to either party.
If I were to respond to June by saying, "Bloody hell, she'll be drinking tea at 4 o'clock with her pinky finger sticking out before you know it!" I'm not meaning, "You can't be one of us because you come from a different country and culture", I'm meaning, "I really like you, we understand each other and have a lot of similarities, despite our different nationalities and culture".
I tend to think that those who view sarcasm as something negative maybe are the ones full of negativity. I don't mean that to be an insult, just that it perplexes that sarcasm is viewed negatively.
Even if somebody has annoyed me, I kind of think of it as a diffuser - getting my point across, but with humour.
annie_nswCoffs Harbour, New South Wales Australia528 posts
Hi Jac,I didn't take your comment as an insult as I have no reason to. The following I say in general terms to anyone wanting to read them... I am aware of how some Brits use sarcasm as a form of affection as I was married to an Englishman for many years and he and his best mate also British have a dialogue exchange of "affectionate sarcasm" as you call it and that is fine, maybe because I know them both personally,however sarcasm is what it is. I think it is sad that you wouldn't be able to just say to your friend what you really mean in the first place. Saying that compliments cause the other person embarassment is just another excuse. Maybe the person giving the compliment is embarrassed as it requires them to be less guarded. From my perspective and life experience sarcasm apart from coming from a negative source is also used as a defense mechanism that keeps others at a distance and it is basically saying to the other person "I am hurting so dont get to close as I dont want to hurt you." Am I a negative person because I see the negativity in others ? no, it just means I am someone who has an understanding of how the human mind works and the excuses the ego uses to keep others at a safe distance.If anything I tend to take matters a tad to serious though as stated before I do have a lighter side of me that comes out to play from time to time but not at the expense of others.
Although I have read blatant examples of all the things you mention in your poll, sometimes people confuse humour with sarcasm. It is an International forum so only to be expected I suppose.
I love sarcasm. My best friend (whom I have known for 28 years and I love her dearly) and I, when we get together, lord look out, crack each other up so bad. I have been known to be literally rolling on the floor, tears, can't talk...laughter. Omg, so much fun. And yes it is at the expense of others but they are not there and I would never say anything so caustic to their faces. I use sarcasm on this site, but it is mild to what I am capable of saying. Someone posted an article on this thread that said that people that can't understand sarcasm have a disfunctional brain. I laughed. What someone else finds funny, I usually find boring. Slapstick...I don't laugh...I feel sorry for the person and people that do laugh are cruel.
Christmas1: I love sarcasm. My best friend (whom I have known for 28 years and I love her dearly) and I, when we get together, lord look out, crack each other up so bad. I have been known to be literally rolling on the floor, tears, can't talk...laughter. Omg, so much fun. And yes it is at the expense of others but they are not there and I would never say anything so caustic to their faces. I use sarcasm on this site, but it is mild to what I am capable of saying. Someone posted an article on this thread that said that people that can't understand sarcasm have a disfunctional brain. I laughed. What someone else finds funny, I usually find boring. Slapstick...I don't laugh...I feel sorry for the person and people that do laugh are cruel.
I'm with you!, the British are well known for their sarcastic wit, along with very dry humour, Churhill during the War was an artist at it,however when you live in differing countries you learn to modify the sarcasm,on a Forum, you cant see the facial expressions which tell you that the person being "funny" really is being just that and not unkind or serious. When you add in the whole issue of having to be "politically correct", it kills spontanaity.
Chrisys: I'm with you!, the British are well known for their sarcastic wit, along with very dry humour, Churhill during the War was an artist at it,however when you live in differing countries you learn to modify the sarcasm,on a Forum, you cant see the facial expressions which tell you that the person being "funny" really is being just that and not unkind or serious. When you add in the whole issue of having to be "politically correct", it kills spontanaity.
Yes there are many famous Churchil sarcasti quotes:
Nancy Astor: “Sir, if you were my husband, I would give you poison.” Churchill: “If I were your husband I would take it.”
Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.” Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”
Nothing to do with ego or self defence or fear of hurting others....just sheer quick witted brilliance.
Oscar Wilde was an expert at it too so perhaps our Australian member thinks we should burn his books a second time.
thewall2: If I'm not mistaken..I think sarcastic comes from the latin word which means to ..'TEAR FLESH.'It's root...is probably..like anything nefative ..probably fear.
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Certainly in British culture, its not the done thing to gush with compliments...the recipient gets plain embarrassed. Sarcasm is a way of expressing affection without being intrusive.
Its a good way of flirting because if the recipient isn't interested in taking things further, it can be brushed off as a joke with no loss of face to either party.
If I were to respond to June by saying, "Bloody hell, she'll be drinking tea at 4 o'clock with her pinky finger sticking out before you know it!" I'm not meaning, "You can't be one of us because you come from a different country and culture", I'm meaning, "I really like you, we understand each other and have a lot of similarities, despite our different nationalities and culture".
I tend to think that those who view sarcasm as something negative maybe are the ones full of negativity. I don't mean that to be an insult, just that it perplexes that sarcasm is viewed negatively.
Even if somebody has annoyed me, I kind of think of it as a diffuser - getting my point across, but with humour.
Comes in useful when you dan't think of anything to say,