GingerBe: It is the same in every walk of life though. Someone once told me in business that if you do a good job the recipient/customer will tell 10 people, and if you do a bad job, they will tell 100.
GingerBe: So you feel indimitaded by the cameras? They serve to keep you safe too, and to bring those who might harm you to justice by being able to identify them. Depends on how you look at it of course.
Well, why not expand the nanny state out to its logical conclusion, and put us all under complete surveillance? After all, that would keep us all safe (and only criminals should object to being watched 24/7), no?
George Orwell knew better. Amazing to me that his lesson, so graphically illustrated in 1984, falls on deaf ears now.
Ambrose2007: Well, why not expand the nanny state out to its logical conclusion, and put us all under complete surveillance? After all, that would keep us all safe (and only criminals should object to being watched 24/7), no?
George Orwell knew better. Amazing to me that his lesson, so graphically illustrated in 1984, falls on deaf ears now.
Sometimes I wonder if we already are Ambrose...and I agree 1984 should be required reading in school
Ambrose2007: Well, why not expand the nanny state out to its logical conclusion, and put us all under complete surveillance? After all, that would keep us all safe (and only criminals should object to being watched 24/7), no?
George Orwell knew better. Amazing to me that his lesson, so graphically illustrated in 1984, falls on deaf ears now.
Everyone on the planet is under surveillance by satellite......... There isn't a place on the surface of this planet that can't be seen, any time the powers-that-be wish it.
Criminals are too stupid to know, or care, that they are being watched.
GingerBe: Everyone on the planet is under surveillance by satellite......... There isn't a place on the surface of this planet that can't be seen, any time the powers-that-be wish it.
Criminals are too stupid to know, or care, that they are being watched.
Makes me wonder why they havent found Bin-Laden eh...although I believe hes driving a taxi in Toronto
Ambrose2007: Well, why not expand the nanny state out to its logical conclusion, and put us all under complete surveillance? After all, that would keep us all safe (and only criminals should object to being watched 24/7), no?
George Orwell knew better. Amazing to me that his lesson, so graphically illustrated in 1984, falls on deaf ears now.
and written in 1948...
reading it was like a love at first sight for me...that sweet feeling of recognizing...
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
venusenvy: Sometimes I wonder if we already are Ambrose...and I agree 1984 should be required reading in school
The lemmings push their pens and rush In hoards of crashing stupor Towards the farms of Babylon To scramble mother nature Where unrelenting drudgery Is all there is to nurture And life and death are by consent And love is for oppression Welcome to my nightmare It's the one in which I always press the button In nineteen eighty-four Nineteen eighty-four Nineteen eighty-four The one we've all been longing for Nineteen eighty-four
Nineteen Forty-Eightish - Jimmy Page & Roy Harper - Jugula
venusenvy: Makes me wonder why they havent found Bin-Laden eh...although I believe hes driving a taxi in Toronto
They have always known where he is......... They have not been stupid enough to arrest him so far, for fear of pissing off the Arab princes he is related to........Bang goes oil if that happens.
GingerBe: They have always known where he is......... They have not been stupid enough to arrest him so far, for fear of pissing off the Arab princes he is related to........Bang goes oil if that happens.
It's all about game playing and we are all pawns.
Sad but true... People have forgotten the simple power in questioning things _flower:
bodleing: The lemmings push their pens and rush In hoards of crashing stupor Towards the farms of Babylon To scramble mother nature Where unrelenting drudgery Is all there is to nurture And life and death are by consent And love is for oppression Welcome to my nightmare It's the one in which I always press the button In nineteen eighty-four Nineteen eighty-four Nineteen eighty-four The one we've all been longing for Nineteen eighty-four
Nineteen Forty-Eightish - Jimmy Page & Roy Harper - Jugula
cherrybrandycambridge, Cambridgeshire, England UK7,473 posts
not the only read on the subject.. hello to Ambrose.. always nice to see you.. Bradburry and Huxley -"Brave New World" and "Farenheit451"... things have been spoken and will be.. but,in reality what alternatives do we have..instead of being policed?
pierrot_le_fouRiyadh, Ar Riyad Saudi Arabia582 posts
GingerBe: They have always known where he is......... They have not been stupid enough to arrest him so far, for fear of pissing off the Arab princes he is related to........Bang goes oil if that happens.
It's all about game playing and we are all pawns.
Saudi Arabia's royal family are in better terms with US than with Bin Laden. That's what we know here.
bodleing: The lemmings push their pens and rush In hoards of crashing stupor Towards the farms of Babylon To scramble mother nature Where unrelenting drudgery Is all there is to nurture And life and death are by consent And love is for oppression Welcome to my nightmare It's the one in which I always press the button In nineteen eighty-four Nineteen eighty-four Nineteen eighty-four The one we've all been longing for Nineteen eighty-four
Nineteen Forty-Eightish - Jimmy Page & Roy Harper - Jugula
cherrybrandy: not the only read on the subject.. hello to Ambrose.. always nice to see you.. Bradburry and Huxley -"Brave New World" and "Farenheit451"... things have been spoken and will be.. but,in reality what alternatives do we have..instead of being policed?
Take back the things that we had as a right before the P C brigade, elements of the heath and safety took over, give kids back the right to be kids in school with all the rough and tumble it involves.
Admit accidents do happen and blame is not always attributable to anyone.
Restrict the over use of powers given to cover extreme incidents.
And bring back the common sense approach to life ....As always JMO
JeanMarlowMiddle of Nowhere, California USA815 posts
[quote=Jamess1974Are women turned off by men who have done time in prison?For me: absolutely, positively without a doubt yes, it is a total turn off. I don't expect a man to be any better than I am. I have managed to avoid prison all of my life, and it wasn't hard at all, avoiding prison, so I expect to have in my life someone who was able to avoid prison as well.
cherrybrandycambridge, Cambridgeshire, England UK7,473 posts
patmac: Take back the things that we had as a right before the P C brigade, elements of the heath and safety took over, give kids back the right to be kids in school with all the rough and tumble it involves.
Admit accidents do happen and blame is not always attributable to anyone.
Restrict the over use of powers given to cover extreme incidents.
And bring back the common sense approach to life ....As always JMO
true,things get OTT,but,they like all public services aim to respond to public demand..
jahzah: See you'd say serve the public, i'd say control the public
Police serve the public as well as control the public based on the given circumstance at the time.
I'd say the police are pretty good at getting speeders, drunks and reckless drivers on the roads. There are legal road laws made for a reason. Ask any parent who has lost a child(grown or still young)to drunk drivers or reckless drivers. To get the drivers off the road before someone dies, be it themselves or others is a service to the public as well as a control to the driver himself.
Another example is the college kids on certain traditional "college holiday" traditions. They party, set couches and tires on fire, drink to excess, fall on the sidewalks and streets and many even attack other students in the drunkedness. And lots of underage drinking. The police have to keep them under control.
The police are called after home invasions, nuisance situations like neighbor problems, crime scenes of various types, fires, domestic violence situations and even go into the schools and talk to the kids early on about staying away from drugs and making good choices. Although in drug cases, it is obvious that they can't reach all because many of these kids are so deeply influenced by their environments and will do what they have to to survive in them.
So yes, police do serve and control. They have a tough job to do and I'm glad that communities have them. I do not like to see their pays slashed or any of them laid off due to budget cuts. Imagine our world without them there. There would be more mayhem for sure.
Imagine everyone taking the law into their own hands with no police. Here is an outlandish scenario if we were to take the law into our own hands with no police authority:
You go into the grocery store. Some little old lady bought the last bag of your favorite Dunkin Donuts coffee and Starkbucks java chip ice cream and won't give them up to you when you ask politely. So you just take out your Glock handgun and take the matter into your own hands. You administer the rule of law as you feel is the right way to deal with a most uncooperative and defiant lady. You shoot her between the eyes, step over her body and proceed to the checkout cashier, pay for your items and leave the store. Now this is what could happen if we didn't have any police to keep people under control and serve in the public's interst.
But police are like anyone else. You have those who are honest and uphold themselves and their occupation in high esteem and then you have others who are as crooked a dog's hindleg and hide behind their authority and use it in a dishonorable way that brings dishonor to themselves and the profession.
cherrybrandy: true,things get OTT,but,they like all public services aim to respond to public demand..
I honestly do not think it is public demand, it may have been initially but the folk in charge of these bodies have gone beyond their remit.
Case in point. Kids prevented from playing conkers under health and safety laws. The Idea of health and safety was fine it helped control the industrial problems and the like but now they are overstepping the bounds of sanity and as as for the PC mob ...
I will always say Baa Baa Black sheep and call it Christmas...
The powers we gave to the police under the Terrorist Act have been totally abused. I mean go back to 2009 Labour conferance and the used that power to arrest an OAP at the request of the Labour Party ???
Raynew1959Barrington, New Hampshire USA2,218 posts
GingerBe: Police everywhere are not the same. They are a group like any other, made up of individuals who, in this case, here in Ireland, serve the public, unless you are on the wrong side of the law.
I can understand that in some countries the police may be corrupt and to be feared, but that has never been my experience here.
I am sorry if your experience was different, but you can't just generalise and lump all police together.
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Very true