ttom500: Who is saying it? I listened to the Rueter reports. There word of US Apache being used. There are many attack helo made in the world. France several models of attack helo...UK makes them.....Germany has model. Not to mention Russian Hinds.
All of our weapons sales are made public at the time.
Libyan military assets are mostly Soviet made. MIGs, T-72 and T-82 tanks.....so I am not saying that he is not using attack helos. But I don't think that they are American made Apaches.
I checked the Wiki on the Libyan Airforce assets.
It doesnot list any Apaches as being part of their helo inventory.
It does list some old Huey...Vet Nam era. And Chinook C-47 again vet Nam area. And some Jet Rangers. And it list M-8 Russian helo.
All those can be modified to carry rockets and machine guns. And they are all avialable on the international market place from many sources.
Interesting,the Site mentions the Russian HIND as the attack HELO of the Libyan Air Force!
The 30mm chain cannon that is on the American Apache....it is lot different than the machine guns that can be mounted on the Helos. It was designed for destroying armor vehicles. If Kadaffi is using 30mm chain cannons on his people.....he really has gone nuts.
You can have 30mm cannons mounted on vehicles. The Sweden's Bolfors make a 30mm cannon that has wide spread sales around the globe.
When GWB and Condi Rice took them off the terrorist list.....and return diplomatic recognition from the US.....they did not say any about US weapons sales to him. I am pretty sure they were on the sanction list even after the recognition. I can check.
Here is list of users of the Apache
US Amry Isreal UK Suadi Netherland
Future sales to UAE Kuwait Egypt Greece Signapore Indian Japan South Korea
No listed sale to Libya or a merc party that might fly one in.
ttom500: The 30mm chain cannon that is on the American Apache....it is lot different than the machine guns that can be mounted on the Helos. It was designed for destroying armor vehicles. If Kadaffi is using 30mm chain cannons on his people.....he really has gone nuts.
You can have 30mm cannons mounted on vehicles. The Sweden's Bolfors make a 30mm cannon that has wide spread sales around the globe.
When GWB and Condi Rice took them off the terrorist list.....and return diplomatic recognition from the US.....they did not say any about US weapons sales to him. I am pretty sure they were on the sanction list even after the recognition. I can check.
Here is list of users of the Apache
US Amry Isreal UK Suadi Netherland
Future sales to UAE Kuwait Egypt Greece Signapore Indian Japan South Korea
No listed sale to Libya or a merc party that might fly one in.
Hot_Single_Dude: The french did Grumpy... still GWB THE head of all stoopidoes of America and else where sold Apache helicopters to THAT Gaddafi?? Freaking oil gives a lot possibilities of sure... Really scarey
There are no Apaches in Libya,Smartiepants,only Russian HIND ATTACk-HELO!
I don't think Kdaffi has the Hind 16 either. That is the bad boy of Rambo movies. What was on list was the Russian M-8....which is lot like our Huey.It is a transport helo that can modified with machine guns.
But the real deal is... Kdaffi is bring in mercs....and who knows what they bring into the country.
If the Russian weapon seller Bout....now in US custody and facing US criminal prosecution had anything to say to it....these AFrican mercs are all going to be well equiped with the latest and the most lethal stuff that mother Russia can make.
ttom500: The 30mm chain cannon that is on the American Apache....it is lot different than the machine guns that can be mounted on the Helos. It was designed for destroying armor vehicles. If Kadaffi is using 30mm chain cannons on his people.....he really has gone nuts.
You can have 30mm cannons mounted on vehicles. The Sweden's Bolfors make a 30mm cannon that has wide spread sales around the globe.
When GWB and Condi Rice took them off the terrorist list.....and return diplomatic recognition from the US.....they did not say any about US weapons sales to him. I am pretty sure they were on the sanction list even after the recognition. I can check.
Here is list of users of the Apache
US Amry Isreal UK Suadi Netherland
Future sales to UAE Kuwait Egypt Greece Signapore Indian Japan South Korea
No listed sale to Libya or a merc party that might fly one in.
French DEFA 30 mm Revolver-Cannon in the Dassault Mirage! Does quite good mounted in other Craft as well!
Dear Leigh, Interesting comment, and you seem like an intelegent Woman . The reason for this reply is to ask you to go to the net and look up the history of these people . You might be surprised to find that they are not as bad as popular media has portrayed them .
ttom500: I don't think Kdaffi has the Hind 16 either. That is the bad boy of Rambo movies. What was on list was the Russian M-8....which is lot like our Huey.It is a transport helo that can modified with machine guns.
But the real deal is... Kdaffi is bring in mercs....and who knows what they bring into the country.
If the Russian weapon seller Bout....now in US custody and facing US criminal prosecution had anything to say to it....these AFrican mercs are all going to be well equiped with the latest and the most lethal stuff that mother Russia can make.
Mil Mi-24 Hind Russia Heavy attack helicopter 43
according to WIKI!
43 of them
The PIC I posted is a Mil Mi-24 Hind _________________ Chadian-Libyan conflict (1978–1987)
The Libyan air force actively used Mi-24As and Mi-25s during their numerous interventions in Chad's civil war. The Mi-24s were first used in October 1980 in the battle of N'Djamena where they helped the People's Armed Forces seize the capital.
In March 1987 the Armed Forces of the North, which were backed by the USA and France, managed to seize a Libyan air force base at Ouadi-Doum in Northern Chad. Among the aircraft captured during this raid were three Mi-25s. These were turned over to France, which in turn sent one to the United Kingdom and one to the USA.
Conrad73: Mil Mi-24 Hind Russia Heavy attack helicopter 43
according to WIKI!
43 of themThe PIC I posted is a Mil Mi-24 Hind _________________ Chadian-Libyan conflict (1978–1987)
The Libyan air force actively used Mi-24As and Mi-25s during their numerous interventions in Chad's civil war. The Mi-24s were first used in October 1980 in the battle of N'Djamena where they helped the People's Armed Forces seize the capital.
In March 1987 the Armed Forces of the North, which were backed by the USA and France, managed to seize a Libyan air force base at Ouadi-Doum in Northern Chad. Among the aircraft captured during this raid were three Mi-25s. These were turned over to France, which in turn sent one to the United Kingdom and one to the USA.
Actually one nasty Thing,as the Afghans had to find out!
I could not see all photo just the rotors. I though the bad boy nasty Hind was the M-18. Btu most of Kdaffi military equipment is Russian....and the Russian friends of Bout are looking at allot of new business...with the ME revolutions.
ttom500: I could not see all photo just the rotors. I though the bad boy nasty Hind was the M-18. Btu most of Kdaffi military equipment is Russian....and the Russian friends of Bout are looking at allot of new business...with the ME revolutions.
Just click on the PIC,and you'll see the While Thing! Also Pics in my latest Link!
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US Apache being used. There are many attack helo made in the world.
France several models of attack helo...UK makes them.....Germany has model. Not to mention Russian Hinds.
All of our weapons sales are made public at the time.
Libyan military assets are mostly Soviet made.
MIGs, T-72 and T-82 tanks.....so I am not saying that he is not using attack helos. But I don't think that they are American made Apaches.
I checked the Wiki on the Libyan Airforce assets.
It doesnot list any Apaches as being part of their helo inventory.
It does list some old Huey...Vet Nam era. And Chinook C-47 again vet Nam area. And some Jet Rangers. And it list M-8 Russian helo.
All those can be modified to carry rockets and machine guns. And they are all avialable on the international market place from many sources.
OP is off-Beam as usual!
Wonder which way he will Tack now,to get some wind back in his Sail again?!