Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president! (813)

Feb 23, 2011 8:41 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
ttom500: Who is saying it? I listened to the Rueter reports. There word of
US Apache being used. There are many attack helo made in the world.
France several models of attack helo...UK makes them.....Germany has model. Not to mention Russian Hinds.

All of our weapons sales are made public at the time.

Libyan military assets are mostly Soviet made.
MIGs, T-72 and T-82 tanks.....so I am not saying that he is not using attack helos. But I don't think that they are American made Apaches.

I checked the Wiki on the Libyan Airforce assets.

It doesnot list any Apaches as being part of their helo inventory.

It does list some old Huey...Vet Nam era. And Chinook C-47 again vet Nam area. And some Jet Rangers. And it list M-8 Russian helo.

All those can be modified to carry rockets and machine guns. And they are all avialable on the international market place from many sources.
Interesting,the Site mentions the Russian HIND as the attack HELO of the Libyan Air Force!











OP is off-Beam as usual!
Wonder which way he will Tack now,to get some wind back in his Sail again?!laugh
Feb 23, 2011 8:43 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Oh ok... then time to move to Arizona behind fences and never coming back to America


There you go venturing off topic again and to one that you have completely worn out!laugh

grin

dancing dancing dancing

cool

But what else is new?
Feb 23, 2011 8:45 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Conrad73: Filzläuse,Dude,Filzläuse!


Ohne die so genannte öffentliche "Läuse" jemand wie würde man nicht einmal in der Lage sein Wasser halten Conrad
rolling on the floor laughing tongue
Feb 23, 2011 8:46 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Conrad73: Oh,that's how you're tacking!
WATCH OUT for that Reef!
TOO LATE!


A day late and a dollar short....damn the luck!!rolling on the floor laughing
Feb 23, 2011 8:47 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
The 30mm chain cannon that is on the American Apache....it is lot different than the machine guns that can be mounted on the Helos. It was designed for destroying armor vehicles. If Kadaffi is using 30mm chain cannons on his people.....he really has gone nuts.

You can have 30mm cannons mounted on vehicles. The Sweden's Bolfors make a 30mm cannon that has wide spread sales around the globe.

When GWB and Condi Rice took them off the terrorist list.....and return diplomatic recognition from the US.....they did not say any about US weapons sales to him. I am pretty sure they were on the sanction list even after the recognition. I can check.

Here is list of users of the Apache

US Amry
Isreal
UK
Suadi
Netherland

Future sales to
UAE
Kuwait
Egypt
Greece
Signapore
Indian
Japan
South Korea

No listed sale to Libya or a merc party that might fly one in.
Feb 23, 2011 8:47 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
Good morning Leigh and Conrad...have a great day, you two. wave

-John-
cheers
Feb 23, 2011 8:51 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
TheresMyFriend: Good morning Leigh and Conrad...have a great day, you two.

-John-


wave Hi Friend...you too!!!wine

dancing dancing dancing
Feb 23, 2011 8:53 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
ttom500: The 30mm chain cannon that is on the American Apache....it is lot different than the machine guns that can be mounted on the Helos. It was designed for destroying armor vehicles. If Kadaffi is using 30mm chain cannons on his people.....he really has gone nuts.

You can have 30mm cannons mounted on vehicles. The Sweden's Bolfors make a 30mm cannon that has wide spread sales around the globe.

When GWB and Condi Rice took them off the terrorist list.....and return diplomatic recognition from the US.....they did not say any about US weapons sales to him. I am pretty sure they were on the sanction list even after the recognition. I can check.

Here is list of users of the Apache

US Amry
Isreal
UK
Suadi
Netherland

Future sales to
UAE
Kuwait
Egypt
Greece
Signapore
Indian
Japan
South Korea

No listed sale to Libya or a merc party that might fly one in.


wave banana banana Hi TT!!!thumbs up

One dance?

dancing banana dancing
Feb 23, 2011 8:56 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
Hot_Single_Dude: The french did Grumpy... still GWB THE head of all stoopidoes of America and else where sold Apache helicopters to THAT Gaddafi?? Freaking oil gives a lot possibilities of sure... Really scarey
There are no Apaches in Libya,Smartiepants,only Russian HIND ATTACk-HELO!

They look like this,in case you forgot!

Embedded image from another site
uh oh
Feb 23, 2011 8:57 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
TheresMyFriend: Good morning Leigh and Conrad...have a great day, you two.

-John-
Hey Fellow!
What's up?
Still waiting for an answer I see!laugh cheers
Feb 23, 2011 9:00 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154: A day late and a dollar short....damn the luck!!
At least he doesn't have to guess where that Reef is!rolling on the floor laughing
Feb 23, 2011 9:01 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
leigh2154: Hi TT!!!

One dance?


Hi Liegh....you are to good for me. I would stepping all over your toes.laugh rolling on the floor laughing

We might try some line dancing....were I can get totally out of step....but would be safer for your toes.

Maybe a little two step......

dancing dancing dancing dancing dancing dancing
dancing dancing dancing dancing dancing dancing
dancing dancing dancing dancing dancing dancing

grin
Feb 23, 2011 9:01 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Conrad73: There are no Apaches in Libya,Smartiepants,only Russian HIND ATTACk-HELO!

They look like this,in case you forgot!


Wow!!!!! Modern tech at your service!!! I need one of those!
Feb 23, 2011 9:02 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
ttom500: Hi Liegh....you are to good for me. I would stepping all over your toes.

We might try some line dancing....were I can get totally out of step....but would be safer for your toes.

Maybe a little two step......


Perfect TT!! I love the two step...let me grab my boots and cow "girl" hat!!!!

And twirl me please!!!

dancing dancing dancing
Feb 23, 2011 9:04 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
leigh2154: Perfect TT!! I love the two step...let me grab my boots and cow "girl" hat!!!!

And twirl me please!!!


Duty Calls! See you later ! super
Feb 23, 2011 9:06 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Conrad73: At least he doesn't have to guess where that Reef is!


No, but he is very good at guessing Con!!!!rolling on the floor laughing
Feb 23, 2011 9:07 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Duty Calls! See you later !


See ya Dude!!!wave Have a great day and as always....peace
Feb 23, 2011 9:11 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
I don't think Kdaffi has the Hind 16 either. That is the bad boy of Rambo movies. What was on list was the Russian M-8....which is lot like our Huey.It is a transport helo that can modified with machine guns.

But the real deal is... Kdaffi is bring in mercs....and who knows what they bring into the country.

If the Russian weapon seller Bout....now in US custody and facing US criminal prosecution had anything to say to it....these AFrican mercs are all going to be well equiped with the latest and the most lethal stuff that mother Russia can make.
Feb 23, 2011 9:15 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
popcorn very happy
Feb 23, 2011 9:17 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
ttom500: The 30mm chain cannon that is on the American Apache....it is lot different than the machine guns that can be mounted on the Helos. It was designed for destroying armor vehicles. If Kadaffi is using 30mm chain cannons on his people.....he really has gone nuts.

You can have 30mm cannons mounted on vehicles. The Sweden's Bolfors make a 30mm cannon that has wide spread sales around the globe.

When GWB and Condi Rice took them off the terrorist list.....and return diplomatic recognition from the US.....they did not say any about US weapons sales to him. I am pretty sure they were on the sanction list even after the recognition. I can check.

Here is list of users of the Apache

US Amry
Isreal
UK
Suadi
Netherland

Future sales to
UAE
Kuwait
Egypt
Greece
Signapore
Indian
Japan
South Korea

No listed sale to Libya or a merc party that might fly one in.
French DEFA 30 mm Revolver-Cannon in the Dassault Mirage!
Does quite good mounted in other Craft as well!
Feb 23, 2011 9:19 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154: No, but he is very good at guessing Con!!!!
Mis-Guessing,I'd guess!rolling on the floor laughing
Feb 23, 2011 9:20 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
Frankinstien
FrankinstienFrankinstienSan Juan, Puerto Rico1 Threads 1,521 Posts
leigh2154: Call em like you see them Katt!!
Dear Leigh, Interesting comment, and you seem like an intelegent Woman . The reason for this reply is to ask you to go to the net and look up the history of these people . You might be surprised to find that they are not as bad as popular media has portrayed them .
Feb 23, 2011 9:33 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
No Way! What change ? Are you freaking Nuts?
Yes Way! No Change??!! Are you freaking blind?
24
votes


Dude, I'm having trouble with your choices here today.....laugh
Feb 23, 2011 9:33 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
Frankinstien
FrankinstienFrankinstienSan Juan, Puerto Rico1 Threads 1,521 Posts
Conrad73: Actually it was in Munich 1938!Less than a Year before the outbreak of WWII !
Whoops ! Sorry on that one, but he did get a raw deal on that one . . . . doh
Feb 23, 2011 9:35 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
ttom500: I don't think Kdaffi has the Hind 16 either. That is the bad boy of Rambo movies. What was on list was the Russian M-8....which is lot like our Huey.It is a transport helo that can modified with machine guns.

But the real deal is... Kdaffi is bring in mercs....and who knows what they bring into the country.

If the Russian weapon seller Bout....now in US custody and facing US criminal prosecution had anything to say to it....these AFrican mercs are all going to be well equiped with the latest and the most lethal stuff that mother Russia can make.


Mil Mi-24 Hind Russia
Heavy attack helicopter
43

according to WIKI!

43 of them


The PIC I posted is a Mil Mi-24 Hind
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Chadian-Libyan conflict (1978–1987)

The Libyan air force actively used Mi-24As and Mi-25s during their numerous interventions in Chad's civil war. The Mi-24s were first used in October 1980 in the battle of N'Djamena where they helped the People's Armed Forces seize the capital.

In March 1987 the Armed Forces of the North, which were backed by the USA and France, managed to seize a Libyan air force base at Ouadi-Doum in Northern Chad. Among the aircraft captured during this raid were three Mi-25s. These were turned over to France, which in turn sent one to the United Kingdom and one to the USA.





Not an Airship to sneeze at.

Actually one nasty Thing,as the Afghans had to find out!
Feb 23, 2011 9:37 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
Frankinstien: Whoops ! Sorry on that one, but he did get a raw deal on that one . . . .
He let his Wishes get in the way of Reality!grin
Feb 23, 2011 9:39 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Conrad73: Mil Mi-24 Hind Russia
Heavy attack helicopter
43

according to WIKI!

43 of themThe PIC I posted is a Mil Mi-24 Hind
_________________
Chadian-Libyan conflict (1978–1987)

The Libyan air force actively used Mi-24As and Mi-25s during their numerous interventions in Chad's civil war. The Mi-24s were first used in October 1980 in the battle of N'Djamena where they helped the People's Armed Forces seize the capital.

In March 1987 the Armed Forces of the North, which were backed by the USA and France, managed to seize a Libyan air force base at Ouadi-Doum in Northern Chad. Among the aircraft captured during this raid were three Mi-25s. These were turned over to France, which in turn sent one to the United Kingdom and one to the USA.


Not an Airship to sneeze at.

Actually one nasty Thing,as the Afghans had to find out!


I could not see all photo just the rotors. I though the bad boy nasty Hind was the M-18. Btu most of Kdaffi military equipment is Russian....and the Russian friends of Bout are looking at allot of new business...with the ME revolutions.
Feb 23, 2011 9:42 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
YES WE CAN in 2012 !!GO OBAMA !!

thumbs up cheers head banger


Just thought I'de start your day off right guys .....beer
Feb 23, 2011 9:43 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
ttom500: I could not see all photo just the rotors. I though the bad boy nasty Hind was the M-18. Btu most of Kdaffi military equipment is Russian....and the Russian friends of Bout are looking at allot of new business...with the ME revolutions.
Just click on the PIC,and you'll see the While Thing!
Also Pics in my latest Link!




Gonna by myself one some day!To scare the Cows up on the Swiss Alps!

laugh
Feb 23, 2011 9:45 AM CST Obama announced change! Obama created Change! Open ur eyes and see and Support the president!
leigh2154: Wow!!!!! Modern tech at your service!!! I need one of those!
Gonna see if I can rustle up a couple of them!rolling on the floor laughing

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