One child in elementary school has a P-nut allergy. Should the school (276)
Are we going to ban people dropping their hats know?
Look you guys...My point in this is, surely you can see the extreme here. Im not saying we dont need a workable solution here. I also believe we can and should and hopefully will find one. Im saying take a step back and be objective. Extremes are NEVER good. Dont you see the inherent danger? Theres a very serious precedent being set here. Our children must be taught to adapt to the environment. They must also learn sensitivity to other children with these conditions. But to allow our Governments to set these extreme legislations. If perhaps 3 office workers out of 800 have an allergy to make-up etc. this results in a nationwide ban in ALL Gov. facilities??? Think about this for a moment. 
lilmamma71: Hi Ams..
I just get so ticked off when people try to shove this type of condition off onto the kids..most children with asthma KNOW what their allergies are, my daughter administers her own meds, knows what she can and can't eat and is very diligent about her treatments and whatnot..then you've got people that think oh the parents should do this or that, the kids should do this or that..what happened to just being considerate and MINDFUL, it's not like we ask you to do much, do ya think you could just not expose my child to something that could potentially KILL her when I'm not around to take care of her..is that really too much to ask???
Because of her condition, I went to Respiratory Therapy school so I could understand her problem better. I don't practice in the field right now, but there are personal reasons for that and I make more $$ running my own business right now.
If it is, I'd love to kick someone in the nether regions and it would make me feel REALLY GOOD! Or maybe a ball bat across the back of the head to wake someone up! People can just be insensitive jerks sometimes...
I just get so ticked off when people try to shove this type of condition off onto the kids..most children with asthma KNOW what their allergies are, my daughter administers her own meds, knows what she can and can't eat and is very diligent about her treatments and whatnot..then you've got people that think oh the parents should do this or that, the kids should do this or that..what happened to just being considerate and MINDFUL, it's not like we ask you to do much, do ya think you could just not expose my child to something that could potentially KILL her when I'm not around to take care of her..is that really too much to ask???
Because of her condition, I went to Respiratory Therapy school so I could understand her problem better. I don't practice in the field right now, but there are personal reasons for that and I make more $$ running my own business right now.
If it is, I'd love to kick someone in the nether regions and it would make me feel REALLY GOOD! Or maybe a ball bat across the back of the head to wake someone up! People can just be insensitive jerks sometimes...
Well said..Its actually made me extremely sad to witness such lack of concern over something so serious, and involving children..I have tried to put my point across but i feel like im banging my head against a wall.
It all comes down to selfishness from what ive witnessed so far.
In response to: Hun, the human race is nothing but a cut throat death game where most people would set you back 10 steps to jump ahead 1/2 a step themselves. They don't care if someone else's child has a problem, as long is it do not "inconvenience" them and they don't have to lift a finger to take a little responsibility.
You are right Still...and its not very nice to witness.
Im glad i live in a society willing to help others.
I've been reading all of the posts in this thread -- and discovered some interesting things:
Most of the posters who said it should solely be parental responsibility to solve peanut allergy problem -- are from "red" states (e.g. Indiana, North Carolina, etc.), within the U.S. Don't know political leanings from outside of U.S.
Parents are the first line of defense, so to speak, obviously. The problem with that is that we live in a world today, where the majority of homes require both parents to work (in a 2 parent home). It used to be where the wife would be able to stay home and closely oversee teaching her children what they need to know. That is not the case anymore. It is even worse in single parent homes.
A school which undertakes extensive proactive policies in order to try and protect children from these allergies, are doing so to try and prevent their being sued, which happens all too much these days. As was mentioned the HIPPA laws prevent such simple measures as asking the other children to be aware of the individual student's problem, unless the affected student's parents sign a release which would authorize the school to take such measures.
Home schooling is the ideal situation in today's world. But, how many parents can afford to do this? I am afraid the number is probably pretty small.
Our advanced medical technologies are part of the problem. When I was growing up, most people weren't aware of the prevalence of these various allergies. A lot of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were in my lunch when I was growing up and in school. A student might have a reaction and get very ill, but nobody would know what was causing it. Plus, at least for me, my high school had over 3,000 students. The odds were that if an individual student had a problem, nobody else would even know about it, except maybe for the small circle of friends of the affected student.
We are exposed to so many different toxins and chemicals in our foods and other things, that our body can't keep up with them. And antibiotics have been prescribed for so many things, that our immune systems are getting weaker and weaker. Our bodies become immune to many of the normal antibiotics. They just don't work anymore. Which is why we now see more and more cases of MRSA infections, which require hospitalization and IV administration of "super" antibiotics.
This problem is a lot more complex than we realize and there are no simple "cut and paste" answers to it.
Most of the posters who said it should solely be parental responsibility to solve peanut allergy problem -- are from "red" states (e.g. Indiana, North Carolina, etc.), within the U.S. Don't know political leanings from outside of U.S.
Parents are the first line of defense, so to speak, obviously. The problem with that is that we live in a world today, where the majority of homes require both parents to work (in a 2 parent home). It used to be where the wife would be able to stay home and closely oversee teaching her children what they need to know. That is not the case anymore. It is even worse in single parent homes.
A school which undertakes extensive proactive policies in order to try and protect children from these allergies, are doing so to try and prevent their being sued, which happens all too much these days. As was mentioned the HIPPA laws prevent such simple measures as asking the other children to be aware of the individual student's problem, unless the affected student's parents sign a release which would authorize the school to take such measures.
Home schooling is the ideal situation in today's world. But, how many parents can afford to do this? I am afraid the number is probably pretty small.
Our advanced medical technologies are part of the problem. When I was growing up, most people weren't aware of the prevalence of these various allergies. A lot of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were in my lunch when I was growing up and in school. A student might have a reaction and get very ill, but nobody would know what was causing it. Plus, at least for me, my high school had over 3,000 students. The odds were that if an individual student had a problem, nobody else would even know about it, except maybe for the small circle of friends of the affected student.
We are exposed to so many different toxins and chemicals in our foods and other things, that our body can't keep up with them. And antibiotics have been prescribed for so many things, that our immune systems are getting weaker and weaker. Our bodies become immune to many of the normal antibiotics. They just don't work anymore. Which is why we now see more and more cases of MRSA infections, which require hospitalization and IV administration of "super" antibiotics.
This problem is a lot more complex than we realize and there are no simple "cut and paste" answers to it.
lilmamma71: WOW....how lovely, can't believe your insensitive response..hopefully you never have a child struggling to catch a breath in your arms! What would you say tough luck kid...you got hold of something w/ HIDDEN nuts and you're screwed?
I do address my daughter's asthma, she knows what she can and can't eat, but that's not to say there won't be a birthday party or some other occasion to where someone puts grinded up nuts into a pastry/cupcake/fudge/treat and she won't know about it and unknowingly eat it..so that's her fault right???
I do address my daughter's asthma, she knows what she can and can't eat, but that's not to say there won't be a birthday party or some other occasion to where someone puts grinded up nuts into a pastry/cupcake/fudge/treat and she won't know about it and unknowingly eat it..so that's her fault right???
These are the type of replies that really get my goat.
Actually it would be your fault for not telling all parents of the children attending the party what is acceptable to bring as gifts and food. If she is attending a party it is still your responsibility to ask what is being served. Better yet, you should also attend the party. After all, you are a responsible parent.
Your child is sick and suddenly it is everyone elses responsibility to watch out for her. How about YOU take the steps necessary to make sure she is not around the things that make her sick.
Another point which hasn't been made here...possibly telling classmates one of the kids has an allergy to peanuts might make the other kids get some hairbrained ideas to do something "funny" like sprinkling peanuts into something the allergic kid will eat or drink....because they don't realize it's as serious as it is and kids just do things like that...how funny would that be???
In response to: Are you really willing to put any child at risk simply because you may not agree w/ a peanut ban??
So long as they don't eat peanuts or anything with peanuts in it then they will be fine.Teach them to read labels and that if it doesn't say "made in a peanut free facility" don't eat it.Better yet teach them to eat nothing at school,or while out,that you did not send with them.
A child with a peanut allergy is far luckier then one with a bee allergy.You can't ban bees.There is always a risk of getting stung.Unlike a peanut allergy since as long as you stay away from them nothing will happen to you.My sister and one of her daughters have peanut allergies and when grocery shopping they never buy anything unless it has the "made in a peanut free facility" label on it.They also always carry with them an epi pen just in case.
In response to: I'd love to kick someone in the nether regions and it would make me feel REALLY GOOD! Or maybe a ball bat across the back of the head to wake someone up! People can just be insensitive jerks sometimes...
Wow! Now you want to commit violence against those who don't see things your way.If you can't get involved in a debate without threatening violence then perhaps stick to threads that have no debatable topics.
GotTrance: These are the type of replies that really get my goat.
Actually it would be your fault for not telling all parents of the children attending the party what is acceptable to bring as gifts and food. If she is attending a party it is still your responsibility to ask what is being served. Better yet, you should also attend the party. After all, you are a responsible parent.
Your child is sick and suddenly it is everyone elses responsibility to watch out for her. How about YOU take the steps necessary to make sure she is not around the things that make her sick.
Actually it would be your fault for not telling all parents of the children attending the party what is acceptable to bring as gifts and food. If she is attending a party it is still your responsibility to ask what is being served. Better yet, you should also attend the party. After all, you are a responsible parent.
Your child is sick and suddenly it is everyone elses responsibility to watch out for her. How about YOU take the steps necessary to make sure she is not around the things that make her sick.
The more you talk the more you sound such a sweetheart..what a catch?
Lil mamma i would suggest not even responding to be honest.
If im getting upset reading this im sure you will...
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My understanding was that peanut allergy is kinda different from a lot of other allergies. It can be fatal quite quickly from little exposure.
Other allergies that have the same effect are more rare. Most allergies, or intolerances are not fatal.
It might be a pain in the butt to have to work round another child's peanut allergy, but your own child can have jelly sandwiches that are even cheaper than pb&j sandwiches and live to see another day.
Other people accomodating a child with a peanut allergy is not exclusive to teaching a child to be responsible for their own health. What parent is going to ask that a school be peanut free, but not teach their child to survive in all environments? Its just plain silly to suggest that a parent won't teach their child with such a severe allergy.
Also, this issue about the increase in the incidence of allergies and ill health. Yes, like schools being peanut free and taking personal responsibility, this can be tackled from as many angles as possible. Not eating peanuts whilst pregnant reduces the risk of peanut allergy, as does breast, rather than formula feeding.
Other allergies that have the same effect are more rare. Most allergies, or intolerances are not fatal.
It might be a pain in the butt to have to work round another child's peanut allergy, but your own child can have jelly sandwiches that are even cheaper than pb&j sandwiches and live to see another day.
Other people accomodating a child with a peanut allergy is not exclusive to teaching a child to be responsible for their own health. What parent is going to ask that a school be peanut free, but not teach their child to survive in all environments? Its just plain silly to suggest that a parent won't teach their child with such a severe allergy.
Also, this issue about the increase in the incidence of allergies and ill health. Yes, like schools being peanut free and taking personal responsibility, this can be tackled from as many angles as possible. Not eating peanuts whilst pregnant reduces the risk of peanut allergy, as does breast, rather than formula feeding.
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For the record, my daughter doesn't go to any birthday parties outside of school w/o me attending WITH her, she doesn't go to any sleepovers because I'm not there to monitor what she's exposed too. Lots of my friends think this is a bit extreme, but this is my child and I simply won't risk her life for anything in this world.....so she's sheltered extremely as a matter of her own health and it's not easy for me to tell her no, it breaks my heart, but as long as I'm with her, I know what goes on and I can intervene IF the situation calls for it..nobody but ME Is responsible for her!
lilmamma71: For the record, my daughter doesn't go to any birthday parties outside of school w/o me attending WITH her, she doesn't go to any sleepovers because I'm not there to monitor what she's exposed too. Lots of my friends think this is a bit extreme, but this is my child and I simply won't risk her life for anything in this world.....so she's sheltered extremely as a matter of her own health and it's not easy for me to tell her no, it breaks my heart, but as long as I'm with her, I know what goes on and I can intervene IF the situation calls for it..nobody but ME Is responsible for her!
Thats because you are such a good Mom LilM and a mother bear as I can see by your posts. I totally get that, I am too. Sadly not all are as responsible as you. As you well know. There needs to a workable solution. Something that teaches self reliance to our kids and also awareness in all children. Extremes only teach negative lessons.
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venusenvy: Look you guys...My point in this is, surely you can see the extreme here. Im not saying we dont need a workable solution here. I also believe we can and should and hopefully will find one. Im saying take a step back and be objective. Extremes are NEVER good. Dont you see the inherent danger? Theres a very serious precedent being set here. Our children must be taught to adapt to the environment. They must also learn sensitivity to other children with these conditions. But to allow our Governments to set these extreme legislations. If perhaps 3 office workers out of 800 have an allergy to make-up etc. this results in a nationwide ban in ALL Gov. facilities??? Think about this for a moment.
I think there's a difference between an adult taking responsibility for their allergies and a child.
I don't know what ages elementary school covers, but in the UK, I think primary schools (up to age 11) will be peanut free zones, but secondary (11 and above) use different strategies as the child is deemed more able to take responsibility.
I'm not sure its such a bad thing to teach younger children that sometimes its a good thing to look out for others, even if that means a little inconvenience to the self.
My daughter has a restricted diet from the conventional, I had a scarily low income for much of her primary schooling and I reckon I could have done nut free for the sake of another child's life, if necessary.
jac379: I think there's a difference between an adult taking responsibility for their allergies and a child.
I don't know what ages elementary school covers, but in the UK, I think primary schools (up to age 11) will be peanut free zones, but secondary (11 and above) use different strategies as the child is deemed more able to take responsibility.
I'm not sure its such a bad thing to teach younger children that sometimes its a good thing to look out for others, even if that means a little inconvenience to the self.
My daughter has a restricted diet from the conventional, I had a scarily low income for much of her primary schooling and I reckon I could have done nut free for the sake of another child's life, if necessary.
I don't know what ages elementary school covers, but in the UK, I think primary schools (up to age 11) will be peanut free zones, but secondary (11 and above) use different strategies as the child is deemed more able to take responsibility.
I'm not sure its such a bad thing to teach younger children that sometimes its a good thing to look out for others, even if that means a little inconvenience to the self.
My daughter has a restricted diet from the conventional, I had a scarily low income for much of her primary schooling and I reckon I could have done nut free for the sake of another child's life, if necessary.
I get all that and I agree Jac. I believe there are tolerant solutions. I also agree that the oneis is on all to educate all our kids from the perspective of having allergies or not. However, I also see a danger here. Not that strictly applies to kids and allergies, but rather in several areas. I keep siteing the example of the Canadian gov. bringing in a federal ban on cosmetics in the work-place. Surely you see the unbalance and extreme in that? Do you think its wise to educate in the mind set that society will accomodate the one? I see a very scary expectation built into that.
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In response to: I keep siteing the example of the Canadian gov. bringing in a federal ban on cosmetics in the work-place.
I see one of two things happening with this.Either women will come in with it anyway,or we are going to see a heck of a lot of plain women walking around.
Personally I would come in with it anyway and getting fired be damned.After what the ravages of acne have done to my skin for over 20 years now I don't want to shock and scare the hell out of complete strangers.
venusenvy: Thats because you are such a good Mom LilM and a mother bear as I can see by your posts. I totally get that, I am too. Sadly not all are as responsible as you. As you well know. There needs to a workable solution. Something that teaches self reliance to our kids and also awareness in all children. Extremes only teach negative lessons.
Hi sweet V, good to see you today, just wish it wasn't posting such strong opinions on such an important topic which TOTALLY hits home with me, I'm not usually this vocal and strongly responsive..but this is a NO BUDGE with me!
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maryrachelle: I see one of two things happening with this.Either women will come in with it anyway,or we are going to see a heck of a lot of plain women walking around. Personally I would come in with it anyway and getting fired be damned.After what the ravages of acne have done to my skin for over 20 years now I don't want to shock and scare the hell out of complete strangers.
My son-in laws Mom is a policy writer for the ministry of health. She spent many years and sacrifice and money getting her education in order to get the position. She says it crossed her mind, but at this point its her whole life so she is forced to conform...Forced to conform...think about that for a moment. Do you see the insidiousness of that? Now extrapolate to the number of Gov. employees in the same position. And this is just one example of society conforming to the one individual. Theres a loss of common sense here that I find is a dangerous precedent
omgamike: I've been reading all of the posts in this thread -- and discovered some interesting things:
Most of the posters who said it should solely be parental responsibility to solve peanut allergy problem -- are from "red" states (e.g. Indiana, North Carolina, etc.), within the U.S. Don't know political leanings from outside of U.S.
Parents are the first line of defense, so to speak, obviously. The problem with that is that we live in a world today, where the majority of homes require both parents to work (in a 2 parent home). It used to be where the wife would be able to stay home and closely oversee teaching her children what they need to know. That is not the case anymore. It is even worse in single parent homes.
A school which undertakes extensive proactive policies in order to try and protect children from these allergies, are doing so to try and prevent their being sued, which happens all too much these days. As was mentioned the HIPPA laws prevent such simple measures as asking the other children to be aware of the individual student's problem, unless the affected student's parents sign a release which would authorize the school to take such measures.
Home schooling is the ideal situation in today's world. But, how many parents can afford to do this? I am afraid the number is probably pretty small.
Our advanced medical technologies are part of the problem. When I was growing up, most people weren't aware of the prevalence of these various allergies. A lot of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were in my lunch when I was growing up and in school. A student might have a reaction and get very ill, but nobody would know what was causing it. Plus, at least for me, my high school had over 3,000 students. The odds were that if an individual student had a problem, nobody else would even know about it, except maybe for the small circle of friends of the affected student.
We are exposed to so many different toxins and chemicals in our foods and other things, that our body can't keep up with them. And antibiotics have been prescribed for so many things, that our immune systems are getting weaker and weaker. Our bodies become immune to many of the normal antibiotics. They just don't work anymore. Which is why we now see more and more cases of MRSA infections, which require hospitalization and IV administration of "super" antibiotics.
This problem is a lot more complex than we realize and there are no simple "cut and paste" answers to it.
Most of the posters who said it should solely be parental responsibility to solve peanut allergy problem -- are from "red" states (e.g. Indiana, North Carolina, etc.), within the U.S. Don't know political leanings from outside of U.S.
Parents are the first line of defense, so to speak, obviously. The problem with that is that we live in a world today, where the majority of homes require both parents to work (in a 2 parent home). It used to be where the wife would be able to stay home and closely oversee teaching her children what they need to know. That is not the case anymore. It is even worse in single parent homes.
A school which undertakes extensive proactive policies in order to try and protect children from these allergies, are doing so to try and prevent their being sued, which happens all too much these days. As was mentioned the HIPPA laws prevent such simple measures as asking the other children to be aware of the individual student's problem, unless the affected student's parents sign a release which would authorize the school to take such measures.
Home schooling is the ideal situation in today's world. But, how many parents can afford to do this? I am afraid the number is probably pretty small.
Our advanced medical technologies are part of the problem. When I was growing up, most people weren't aware of the prevalence of these various allergies. A lot of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were in my lunch when I was growing up and in school. A student might have a reaction and get very ill, but nobody would know what was causing it. Plus, at least for me, my high school had over 3,000 students. The odds were that if an individual student had a problem, nobody else would even know about it, except maybe for the small circle of friends of the affected student.
We are exposed to so many different toxins and chemicals in our foods and other things, that our body can't keep up with them. And antibiotics have been prescribed for so many things, that our immune systems are getting weaker and weaker. Our bodies become immune to many of the normal antibiotics. They just don't work anymore. Which is why we now see more and more cases of MRSA infections, which require hospitalization and IV administration of "super" antibiotics.
This problem is a lot more complex than we realize and there are no simple "cut and paste" answers to it.
I'm a lone parent of a dyslexic child and I had no problems teaching my child to scan ingredients and avoid certain foods.
Where do people get these ideas from that nut free school would be a substitue rather than an additional safety precaution and that parents are too busy, or too irresponsible to take measures to save their own child's life?
lilmamma71: Hi sweet V, good to see you today, just wish it wasn't posting such strong opinions on such an important topic which TOTALLY hits home with me, I'm not usually this vocal and strongly responsive..but this is a NO BUDGE with me!
I totally get where your comming from Mamabear...your kids are blessed.
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venusenvy: I totally get where your comming from Mamabear...your kids are blessed.
Thank you...they are my life... and I will die to give them my all! : )
maryrachelle: I see one of two things happening with this.Either women will come in with it anyway,or we are going to see a heck of a lot of plain women walking around. Personally I would come in with it anyway and getting fired be damned.After what the ravages of acne have done to my skin for over 20 years now I don't want to shock and scare the hell out of complete strangers.
Well the freakiest part she said was for the first couple of weeks peeps didnt recognize one another. It was scary. She also said its impacted how she feels about herself in terms of being pulled together and proffesional. I think its just very very sad.
I can't believe half the responses I'm reading here who consider it an inconvenience to make sure their actions do not potentially kill another child!
My daughter does not have ab allergy to anything.. thankfully but if she did, I would like to think that there are parents out their that are compassionate enough to consider my child's safety.
A peanut allergy is life threatening.. not only from ingesting but even if another child has eaten something with peanut butter & not washed & maybe touches a chair that the child with the allergy could touch. That child could die!
Every single school my daughter has attended has been a peanut free school. I have NO issues with that at all. I adjusted her lunches years ago & have no trouble finding products that are nut free. I have also educated my daughter in regards to these types of allergies so that she understands & is also compassionate to anyone with the allergy. She washes her hands every morning before going off to school just in case & she feels good that she is not potentially putting another child in harm.
When she has had sleepovers, I speak with all parents to be sure there are no allergies. She had one little friend who was allergic to peanuts so I simply ensured there were none around to harm her. It was not an inconvenience for any of the kids who attended.
To all of you who see this as unfair or inconvenient, I hope you never are put in a situation where a loved one deals with this type of allergy & people have no compassion or understanding to you!
My daughter does not have ab allergy to anything.. thankfully but if she did, I would like to think that there are parents out their that are compassionate enough to consider my child's safety.
A peanut allergy is life threatening.. not only from ingesting but even if another child has eaten something with peanut butter & not washed & maybe touches a chair that the child with the allergy could touch. That child could die!
Every single school my daughter has attended has been a peanut free school. I have NO issues with that at all. I adjusted her lunches years ago & have no trouble finding products that are nut free. I have also educated my daughter in regards to these types of allergies so that she understands & is also compassionate to anyone with the allergy. She washes her hands every morning before going off to school just in case & she feels good that she is not potentially putting another child in harm.
When she has had sleepovers, I speak with all parents to be sure there are no allergies. She had one little friend who was allergic to peanuts so I simply ensured there were none around to harm her. It was not an inconvenience for any of the kids who attended.
To all of you who see this as unfair or inconvenient, I hope you never are put in a situation where a loved one deals with this type of allergy & people have no compassion or understanding to you!
lilmamma71:
why is it so hard for YOU to realize a few simple sniffs or bites of something can KILL a child? Why doesn't that register with you????
why is it so hard for YOU to realize a few simple sniffs or bites of something can KILL a child? Why doesn't that register with you????
It registered with me over twenty five years ago when my son was born.
Thankfully, he does not have any problems like described in this thread.
lilmamma71: Our school has a very healthy dietary department and I was instrumental because of my advocacy and education in helping to bring more nutritious foods and less allergenic foods onto the menu, not only for MY own child, but for the benefit of the other kids as well..because I ACTUALLY care and it's something I'm very passionate about!
I applaud you for doing this. School lunches have needed a change for a very long time.
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Hi Ams..
I just get so ticked off when people try to shove this type of condition off onto the kids..most children with asthma KNOW what their allergies are, my daughter administers her own meds, knows what she can and can't eat and is very diligent about her treatments and whatnot..then you've got people that think oh the parents should do this or that, the kids should do this or that..what happened to just being considerate and MINDFUL, it's not like we ask you to do much, do ya think you could just not expose my child to something that could potentially KILL her when I'm not around to take care of her..is that really too much to ask???
Because of her condition, I went to Respiratory Therapy school so I could understand her problem better. I don't practice in the field right now, but there are personal reasons for that and I make more $$ running my own business right now.
If it is, I'd love to kick someone in the nether regions and it would make me feel REALLY GOOD! Or maybe a ball bat across the back of the head to wake someone up! People can just be insensitive jerks sometimes...