One child in elementary school has a P-nut allergy. Should the school (276)
jac379: I suspect that you don't value money over your children, so why do you come from the perspective that others do?
What a bizarre thing to accuse other parent of.
In the case of the zoo trip one of the child's parents can attend. Parents do in this country. I have. Its to enable the school and teachers to do these trips in the first place, regardless of allergies.
What a bizarre thing to accuse other parent of.
In the case of the zoo trip one of the child's parents can attend. Parents do in this country. I have. Its to enable the school and teachers to do these trips in the first place, regardless of allergies.
I do value my children over money.
It's like this. If the school system accepts the responsibility for the safety of the child knowing that the child can die from even smelling peanuts and someone brings them in to the school and get';s close enough or even hands the kid one not knowing then the school is financially liable for that action.
That in turn places the burden on the taxpayers because when the Parent's of said child sues the school into oblivion because the school took on the responsibility then the money taken away from the school to pay for said child's medical care pain and suffering and lifetime maintenance adds up to tens of millions of dollars that could have gone to educate how many kids through time.
As far as one parent going along that's fine just have to keep the child right by the teacher or the parent and not let anyone get close to the kid. Not sure how you would feel but if I were going on a trip I would not want to be baby sat right next to the teacher or parent and them telling everyone don't touch or come near until you have washed your hands.
maryrachelle: So if the child had Polymorphic light eruption or porhyria would you still send them to school knowing it could kill them or at the very least leave them in pain.That is also an affliction a child did not ask for and did not deserve.These children still have a right to school,but because life is unfair they either can't go at all or take a great deal of precaution.It's a parents choice or not to send their deadly allergic child into a situation that may kill them,but if I had a child and I knew my child had an allergy so severe that a mere whiff of something could kill them I would rather have them alive then going to school.I would do my best to give them as best a social life as their affliction would allow.It's of course best if all children were clean and washed their hands, mouths and possessions all the time after ever use,but realistically a child will not do this all the time.
Obviously that would be something a wee bit harder to control & is absolutely ridiculous that you would use that as an example when there is no comparison! Peanuts in a school can be controlled! Sun cannot!
And since you brought it up.. I actually worked with a young woman who was allergic to the sun & you know what?? There were ways to include her as well if proper precautions were taken.. & we did that because we valued the experience that that child would get & wanted her to have it right along with her friends!
Actractorguy: I agree with you to a point. There has to be an end to giving in to one person's desires to have something that may not be in that persons best interest or the best interest of his fellow students. In this circumstance Home school would be best and there are home school groups where parent's get together for social event's for the children. They usually have it better than the ones on public schools.
I did the home school for my children. They got to go places and do things growing up that no other children did or may ever do in their lives. I didn't ask for a penny from the school system. I footed the bill on my own.
Again the ban is fine but the school won't be able to enforce it without having backpack checks every morning and then your gonna have people complaining that the school treats the children like prisoners checking their stuff just to get into the school. Much like trying to fly here in the us now. Soon there will be strip searches with x-ray machines at each entry just to make sure that nothing with peanuts of peanut ingredients get in.
It will go bad and then what? There has to be a line somewhere.
I did the home school for my children. They got to go places and do things growing up that no other children did or may ever do in their lives. I didn't ask for a penny from the school system. I footed the bill on my own.
Again the ban is fine but the school won't be able to enforce it without having backpack checks every morning and then your gonna have people complaining that the school treats the children like prisoners checking their stuff just to get into the school. Much like trying to fly here in the us now. Soon there will be strip searches with x-ray machines at each entry just to make sure that nothing with peanuts of peanut ingredients get in.
It will go bad and then what? There has to be a line somewhere.
Yes, absolutely, home schooling may be the best option if there are the support facilities and a parent at home, if the parent(s) can afford to do that, if it fulfills the needs of the child.
A peanut ban is another way of doing it and its no big deal sharing the care of a little child in such a small way.
I'm not sure either way will lead to the end of the world and I'd like to think that as a community we can cater for what's in the best interests of a child at such little effort.
yabbadabbadont: Hi Am....
Haven't read the thread......But at my girls school there are 2 children who are under threat from this condition....
The school is now a peanut free zone.... I guess there are plenty of other things to have in their lunch...
The girls don't mind....They would rather that, than have someones life in danger...
Haven't read the thread......But at my girls school there are 2 children who are under threat from this condition....
The school is now a peanut free zone.... I guess there are plenty of other things to have in their lunch...
The girls don't mind....They would rather that, than have someones life in danger...
Thanks hun...was beginning to lose faith in humanity
Amity: Thanks hun...was beginning to lose faith in humanity
Well...after all....Is it that big of a sacrifice.....
Outside of school...they can still indulge....
rohaan: Everybody has valid ways of seeing this, but in spite of what is ideal, being practical must prevail. Look at it this way: Suppose there is a child with an ultra sensitive immune system. He picks up just about every possible germ. He is entitled by law to a public school education, and his parents are adamant he gets it. In order to maintain the lowest level of contracting germs and an illness, he must wear protective clothing and don a mask, even full headgear. They argue that this is too restrictive for him, as it is his right to move about freely. Shall all the other kids wear the protective clothing and masks, then? What about their right to move about freely? Do you see the problematic situation of demanding such reconstruction of a community setting, such as a school? We can't do this! (I realize that when someone has a loved family member, their ability to see that practical measures have to be a priority, but part of being an adult is knowing that not everything is simply about our narrow worlds. It's tough, but it's the way it goes).
Again, another example that cannot even compare!
It is peanuts we are talking about & asking parents not to send peanut products & wash their hands before going to school!!
Honestly, I am glad that I am amongst the compassionate parents who respect & care about another child's right to inclusion & normalcy by making a few small changes at home.
GotTrance: Although peanut allergies can be severe and cause death is it really fair to force everyone else to change their way of life for the peanut allergic person?
No of course not.Provisions can be made for this child without the world coming to an end.
Honestly, you lot are sounding like my mum!
Ach! Du liebe zeit! You have a mark on your skin! You have meningitis! You're blood pressure is so low, you are dead! A peanut ban! Arms and legs will be banned next! Mensch! The universe will end!
How can you expect legislation to be sensible when you are not?
Children love to live up to expectations, whether that's good, or bad.
I'm not sure some adults have grown out of that, either.
Ach! Du liebe zeit! You have a mark on your skin! You have meningitis! You're blood pressure is so low, you are dead! A peanut ban! Arms and legs will be banned next! Mensch! The universe will end!
How can you expect legislation to be sensible when you are not?
Children love to live up to expectations, whether that's good, or bad.
I'm not sure some adults have grown out of that, either.
Actractorguy: Yes but suppose this kids class goes to a school function like the zoo. Some kids buy peanuts to feed the animals and forget to wash their hands. Touch the kid or shake hands. Now the kid not knowing that this person has touched peanuts and then eats a sandwich or a snack. now he/she has been exposed to the peanuts and his reaction kicks in. then what.
Only thing I see coming out of this is the parent's see dollar signs from being able to sue the school for failing to protect the child. It works both ways. At what point does the school system say sorry but we just can't take the responsibility. Here is the title 10 funding get what you need and hope he/she grows out of the allergy. when/if they do then they are welcome to come back.
Too many uncertain things can go wrong for this to end well.
As far as making concessions I can agree to it but only if the reactions to allergies are medim to mild if it's sever enough to cause almost instant death the kid would be better off staying home and the heck with social integration in a school setting.
There are homeschool groups all over this country for just that sort of social interaction between children.
Only thing I see coming out of this is the parent's see dollar signs from being able to sue the school for failing to protect the child. It works both ways. At what point does the school system say sorry but we just can't take the responsibility. Here is the title 10 funding get what you need and hope he/she grows out of the allergy. when/if they do then they are welcome to come back.
Too many uncertain things can go wrong for this to end well.
As far as making concessions I can agree to it but only if the reactions to allergies are medim to mild if it's sever enough to cause almost instant death the kid would be better off staying home and the heck with social integration in a school setting.
There are homeschool groups all over this country for just that sort of social interaction between children.
Okay so you want the children with allergies to be kicked out of the "public" school system to which EVERYONE pays tax $$$ for?!?!?
So would you be willing to pick up the extra tax dollars to even it out so it's fair, because a parent that has to stay home and not work to home-school will be on welfare, social programs eating up tons of taxpayers money that way if it's a single parent home. You think that's a remedy?
What about autistic/mentally challenged children that go to the public schools in this country? You think they should be sequestered because a lot of them are in wheelchairs, have health conditions too which require special attention...what about them?
My child is in a private school for which I pay serious $$$, but her education is very important to me, I am diligent about her allergies/needs/respiratory requirements, I don't expect the school to put her needs before any other child, just to be aware and make some simple accommodations for her benefit.
I've paid taxes since I was 16 years old, have always, always worked very hard, have private medical insurance, do not utilize social programs, have my own home, car, whatnot..but if I am to quit my jobs to home school her, I'd lose that home, financial security, car, insurance, everything.
I am just interested to hear how you can justify saying it's as simple as what you've portrayed it to be and I'm not being a smarty pants either, just very, very curious as to how it's supposed to work realistically that's all. Thank you.
jac379: Would you mind explaining to me what these two conditions are?
Its difficult to make a comparison in shameful ignorance.
<--- sheepish grin.
Its difficult to make a comparison in shameful ignorance.
<--- sheepish grin.
Polymorphic light eruption ---sensitivity to sunlight, it has no known cause (ideopathic in nature).
and Poyhyria is an inherited or acquired enzymatic disorder which can affect the skin, central nervous system or both.
This is reaching a bit, JMHO.
rohaan: It isn't a lack of love for people that some of us have. Really, it's not. All the little details can't just be forgotten. They are part of it. "What's next" cannot just be brushed off. It is important to have an outlook of all possible ramifications. We can't stop everything. Suppose it were another food item, like, say, bread? No bread products can be served. Fish, then? No fish in schools. Salt? Out with the salt.
You of all people Ro are someone i would not expect this from..
The world moves on...some things will be acceptable one day that are not today,
Can you remember a time when gays where not a accepted?
Im just sooo shocked at the lack of empathy towards something sooo serious.
Im really done here...
seems it one rule for one and one for another.
Amity: You of all people Ro are someone i would not expect this from..
The world moves on...some things will be acceptable one day that are not today,
Can you remember a time when gays where not a accepted?
Im just sooo shocked at the lack of empathy towards something sooo serious.
Im really done here...
seems it one rule for one and one for another.
I hear you. The thread asked for comments, and I gave some. Of course I would not want any person, of any age, to suffer an allergic reaction. You do not see the gist of what I am saying for some reason. I am not against protecting the allergy prone student--but because of everything else I pointed out, I fail to see the practical side. How can we really be sure which products would and wouldn't be brought into the school? We can't. Asking the other kids to be aware of the allergies is too much responsibility to give them at that age. I am sorry you see me as the "bad guy" here--I don't think I am, but because of this attack it is likely I will not want to participate in forums, and that is not fair. My comments are as valid as anyone else's, I am always willing to take a step back if I am wrong, and I have done so in the past. Blasting me for putting out how I see a situation is not cricket, though. Best regards, just the same.The world moves on...some things will be acceptable one day that are not today,
Can you remember a time when gays where not a accepted?
Im just sooo shocked at the lack of empathy towards something sooo serious.
Im really done here...
seems it one rule for one and one for another.
rohaan: I hear you. The thread asked for comments, and I gave some. Of course I would not want any person, of any age, to suffer an allergic reaction. You do not see the gist of what I am saying for some reason. I am not against protecting the allergy prone student--but because of everything else I pointed out, I fail to see the practical side. How can we really be sure which products would and wouldn't be brought into the school? We can't. Asking the other kids to be aware of the allergies is too much responsibility to give them at that age. I am sorry you see me as the "bad guy" here--I don't think I am, but because of this attack it is likely I will not want to participate in forums, and that is not fair. My comments are as valid as anyone else's, I am always willing to take a step back if I am wrong, and I have done so in the past. Blasting me for putting out how I see a situation is not cricket, though. Best regards, just the same.
please show me the attack?
I dont see an attack...merely someone trying to allow you to see another side!!
You are right...there really is no way of 100% stopping all peanuts into school..
But wouldnt it be wonderful if a school and community tried?
I admit, i am shocked and possibly annoyed at the lack of compassion i have witnessed.
Its a child ffs.....wouldnt anyone do what is necessary to protect them?
yabbadabbadont: Hi Am....
Haven't read the thread......But at my girls school there are 2 children who are under threat from this condition....
The school is now a peanut free zone.... I guess there are plenty of other things to have in their lunch...
The girls don't mind....They would rather that, than have someones life in danger...
Haven't read the thread......But at my girls school there are 2 children who are under threat from this condition....
The school is now a peanut free zone.... I guess there are plenty of other things to have in their lunch...
The girls don't mind....They would rather that, than have someones life in danger...
I am really careful these days with even choc. our choc wrappings say " there may be traces of peanut "
so even tho my granddaughter does not have an allergy, I dont offer her peanuts ever... There is plenty else that she can eat.
Oh.. and BTW... just have to add this... me lil poppet starts school in 3 weeks.. and she is way excited..
Amity: please show me the attack?
I dont see an attack...merely someone trying to allow you to see another side!!
You are right...there really is no way of 100% stopping all peanuts into school..
But wouldnt it be wonderful if a school and community tried?
I admit, i am shocked and possibly annoyed at the lack of compassion i have witnessed.
Its a child ffs.....wouldnt anyone do what is necessary to protect them?
Sure. I give.I dont see an attack...merely someone trying to allow you to see another side!!
You are right...there really is no way of 100% stopping all peanuts into school..
But wouldnt it be wonderful if a school and community tried?
I admit, i am shocked and possibly annoyed at the lack of compassion i have witnessed.
Its a child ffs.....wouldnt anyone do what is necessary to protect them?
Have a nice weekend.lilmamma71: Polymorphic light eruption ---sensitivity to sunlight, it has no known cause (ideopathic in nature).
and Poyhyria is an inherited or acquired enzymatic disorder which can affect the skin, central nervous system or both.
This is reaching a bit, JMHO.
and Poyhyria is an inherited or acquired enzymatic disorder which can affect the skin, central nervous system or both.
This is reaching a bit, JMHO.
Thanks, lilmamma.
I'm not sure I'm any the wiser as to what sensible accomodations could be made to avoid discrimination of children who have to live with these things.
I realise that for some children accomodations in mainstream school may be impossible, but I don't see that as the case for peanut allergy.
I feel we must all do our best and not just dismiss sensible precautions just in case people get silly.
People getting silly is not the child's problem, what folk put in their sandwiches are.
Deal with it, eh?
I really don't like this thread
Amity: please show me the attack?
I dont see an attack...merely someone trying to allow you to see another side!!
You are right...there really is no way of 100% stopping all peanuts into school..
But wouldnt it be wonderful if a school and community tried?
I admit, i am shocked and possibly annoyed at the lack of compassion i have witnessed.
Its a child ffs.....wouldnt anyone do what is necessary to protect them?
I dont see an attack...merely someone trying to allow you to see another side!!
You are right...there really is no way of 100% stopping all peanuts into school..
But wouldnt it be wonderful if a school and community tried?
I admit, i am shocked and possibly annoyed at the lack of compassion i have witnessed.
Its a child ffs.....wouldnt anyone do what is necessary to protect them?
Me too, and I'm surprised someone didn't suggest euthanising kids with allergies to save tax dollars or to prevent possible lawsuits.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
StillOfTheNight: I really don't like this thread
In fact my daughter is allergic to Chocolate, cows's milk, corn, apple and tomato but her reaction to them is in different grades.
Also there are some vaccines to dimish the problem.
if my children had an allergy to peanuts, I would prepare their lunch to take to school and I would not take any chance waiting for the school to do any change about peanuts.
Merriweather: I am really careful these days with even choc. our choc wrappings say " there may be traces of peanut "
so even tho my granddaughter does not have an allergy, I dont offer her peanuts ever... There is plenty else that she can eat.
Oh.. and BTW... just have to add this... me lil poppet starts school in 3 weeks.. and she is way excited..
so even tho my granddaughter does not have an allergy, I dont offer her peanuts ever... There is plenty else that she can eat.
Oh.. and BTW... just have to add this... me lil poppet starts school in 3 weeks.. and she is way excited..
Hi Merri....
Exciting time for you and your grand-daughter....
I think it was cool that our school took a stand and decided on a peanut free zone....It also teaches the other children about empathy and consideration for others...
kidatheart: Me too, and I'm surprised someone didn't suggest euthanising kids with allergies to save tax dollars or to prevent possible lawsuits.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
No one, anywhere here, meant that and you know it.It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
lifeisadream: In fact my daughter is allergic to Chocolate, cows's milk, corn, apple and tomato but her reaction to them is in different grades.
Also there are some vaccines to dimish the problem.
if my children had an allergy to peanuts, I would prepare their lunch to take to school and I would not take any chance waiting for the school to do any change about peanuts.
Also there are some vaccines to dimish the problem.
if my children had an allergy to peanuts, I would prepare their lunch to take to school and I would not take any chance waiting for the school to do any change about peanuts.
What has me amazed is lack of compassion from some of the posts I seen on this one. A kid with allergies never chose to have allergies and even if its inconvenient, its not that hard for others to give the poor kid a break and not have those things that causes the allergy.
kidatheart: Me too, and I'm surprised someone didn't suggest euthanising kids with allergies to save tax dollars or to prevent possible lawsuits.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
Perhaps we should make them into sandwich filling.
Now, that would be real justice.
kidatheart: Me too, and I'm surprised someone didn't suggest euthanising kids with allergies to save tax dollars or to prevent possible lawsuits.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
If we banned all substances that kids were allergic to, we'd have to keep them in bubbles. Should we ban all vehicles too incase of accidents.
It would be physically impossible to keep all products containing peanuts out of schools.
StillOfTheNight: What has me amazed is lack of compassion from some of the posts I seen on this one. A kid with allergies never chose to have allergies and even if its inconvenient, its not that hard for others to give the poor kid a break and not have those things that causes the allergy.
There are some treatments to diminish the reactions to the allergens but they are expensive and to identify what the persons are allergic to is painful.
What ever it is said here will change not a thing in real life but we get to know people's hearts here and then decide who we want to relate to.
what we have to make sure is that schools are prepared to handle an emergency in case of "peanuts" or any other allergy like a bee's venom, etc...
kidatheart: Me too, and I'm surprised someone didn't suggest euthanising kids with allergies to save tax dollars or to prevent possible lawsuits.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
WTH did that come from
jac379: Perhaps we should make them into sandwich filling.
Now, that would be real justice.
Now, that would be real justice.
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Godsgift: If we banned all substances that kids were allergic to, we'd have to keep them in bubbles. Should we ban all vehicles too incase of accidents.
It would be physically impossible to keep all products containing peanuts out of schools.
It would be physically impossible to keep all products containing peanuts out of schools.
Hey GG....
That was my original thinking when the notice about this first came home from school...The people concerned tho..have extreme dramatic reactions to peanuts....Not sure other allergies to do with school lunches has the same impact...
In the end the girls and I agreed with the policy after a bit of discussion....and the changes made and products banned...wasn't that hard to deal with at all....
And as I said earlier.....It helps the other children learn empathy for others....that we are all a bit different...
kidatheart: Me too, and I'm surprised someone didn't suggest euthanising kids with allergies to save tax dollars or to prevent possible lawsuits.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
It's an epidemic, kids with allergies are ruining our way of life, lets stomp their lil' hearts out, those god damned miniature commies.
What if that kid is one of yours?
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Surely, its as much of a responsibility to sensibly distinguish between one set of needs and another?
Two examples used: peanut free zone equals great benefit to one, but no big deal for the majority; sunscreen free zone equals benefit to one, massive potential detriment to the majority.