One child in elementary school has a P-nut allergy. Should the school (276)
venusenvy: Well the freakiest part she said was for the first couple of weeks peeps didnt recognize one another. It was scary. She also said its impacted how she feels about herself in terms of being pulled together and proffesional. I think its just very very sad.
There's no doubt about it that most of us look much better with makeup.Only a lucky few out there are naturally beautiful.
Is there now some new deadly makeup allergy out there that I didn't hear about?
maryrachelle: There's no doubt about it that most of us look much better with makeup.Only a lucky few out there are naturally beautiful.Is there now some new deadly makeup allergy out there that I didn't hear about?
Apparently this started with perfume allergies/banning and snow-balled from there to now include ALL cosmetics....sobering though eh...one Ive been trying to point out all along.
Responsibility and compassion need to go hand-in-hand.
Expecting the world to change for an individual is VERY different than hoping the world will be sensitive to situations.
The problem in things like this is the individual often ends up with more rights or appears more important than the masses.
How bad CAN it get?
When my daughter was in a pre-school she the parents were told that we could not send/use sunblock because one other child had an allergy to them. So all the kids can get skin cancer so the one kid doesn't have an allergic reaction?
The outcry was swift. The 'request' was dropped.
How bad WILL it get?
Let's sit back and watch.
Expecting the world to change for an individual is VERY different than hoping the world will be sensitive to situations.
The problem in things like this is the individual often ends up with more rights or appears more important than the masses.
How bad CAN it get?
When my daughter was in a pre-school she the parents were told that we could not send/use sunblock because one other child had an allergy to them. So all the kids can get skin cancer so the one kid doesn't have an allergic reaction?
The outcry was swift. The 'request' was dropped.
How bad WILL it get?
Let's sit back and watch.
venusenvy: Apparently this started with perfume allergies/banning and snow-balled from there to now include ALL cosmetics....sobering though eh...one Ive been trying to point out all along.
*thought
venusenvy: I get all that and I agree Jac. I believe there are tolerant solutions. I also agree that the oneis is on all to educate all our kids from the perspective of having allergies or not. However, I also see a danger here. Not that strictly applies to kids and allergies, but rather in several areas. I keep siteing the example of the Canadian gov. bringing in a federal ban on cosmetics in the work-place. Surely you see the unbalance and extreme in that? Do you think its wise to educate in the mind set that society will accomodate the one? I see a very scary expectation built into that.
I think an adult environment is different from a child's and I'm guessing a peanut allergy different from a cosmetics allergy.
You could just as easily argue that its a dangerous extreme not to accomodate a child with a peanut allergy because it promotes and possible legislates for selfishness and lack of collective responsibilty.
I think we have to distinguish cases on merit, weighing up the pros and cons.
I think if an adult has such extreme and possibly fatal allergies its not unreasonable to work from home. I chose to be self-employed because it fits in with single-parenthood and the flexibility that I've needed. I may well have been able to earn more elsewhere, but that was my choice.
In the case of the child - if one child eats peanuts and then maybe crayons are shared in class, the allergic child may be exposed to fatal contact. Kids can be taught responsibility, but kids are forgetful and can make mistakes. Home schooling is not necessarily a fair option either - its more important for a child to be normally socialised in the early years than it is for an adult who can work round things more easily.
And besides, a company that banned cosmetics might find itself with very few employees.
The children are OUR future and it's up to use to show them how to demonstrate kindness, compassion, humanity and be mindful of differences and to show tolerance and understanding.
Not just of racial/social/cultural difference, but of ALL differences, even health conditions like asthma, autism, diabetes, obesity, etc...because not only does it allow for societal and human growth, but quite simply, it's the right thing to do.
Not just of racial/social/cultural difference, but of ALL differences, even health conditions like asthma, autism, diabetes, obesity, etc...because not only does it allow for societal and human growth, but quite simply, it's the right thing to do.
Can't please all the people all the time.
And you shouldn't be condemned for that.
You can be considerate and compassionate in MUCH of what you do without pandering to every special interest group 24/7.
And you shouldn't be condemned for that.
You can be considerate and compassionate in MUCH of what you do without pandering to every special interest group 24/7.
maryrachelle: There's no doubt about it that most of us look much better with makeup.Only a lucky few out there are naturally beautiful.Is there now some new deadly makeup allergy out there that I didn't hear about?
I'm allergic to Ethyl Paraben which is found in a LOT of cosmetics..and that sucks because I have had to really watch what I buy as far as skin make up, shampoo, etc...it has made my eyelashes and eyebrows fall out before, so I am very careful because I'd be a mess if I got a hold of that accidentally!
Abyss31: Can't please all the people all the time.
And you shouldn't be condemned for that.
You can be considerate and compassionate in MUCH of what you do without pandering to every special interest group 24/7.
And you shouldn't be condemned for that.
You can be considerate and compassionate in MUCH of what you do without pandering to every special interest group 24/7.
Nobody here is asking you too do that.
jac379: I think an adult environment is different from a child's and I'm guessing a peanut allergy different from a cosmetics allergy.
You could just as easily argue that its a dangerous extreme not to accomodate a child with a peanut allergy because it promotes and possible legislates for selfishness and lack of collective responsibilty.
I think we have to distinguish cases on merit, weighing up the pros and cons.
I think if an adult has such extreme and possibly fatal allergies its not unreasonable to work from home. I chose to be self-employed because it fits in with single-parenthood and the flexibility that I've needed. I may well have been able to earn more elsewhere, but that was my choice.
In the case of the child - if one child eats peanuts and then maybe crayons are shared in class, the allergic child may be exposed to fatal contact. Kids can be taught responsibility, but kids are forgetful and can make mistakes. Home schooling is not necessarily a fair option either - its more important for a child to be normally socialised in the early years than it is for an adult who can work round things more easily.
And besides, a company that banned cosmetics might find itself with very few employees.
You could just as easily argue that its a dangerous extreme not to accomodate a child with a peanut allergy because it promotes and possible legislates for selfishness and lack of collective responsibilty.
I think we have to distinguish cases on merit, weighing up the pros and cons.
I think if an adult has such extreme and possibly fatal allergies its not unreasonable to work from home. I chose to be self-employed because it fits in with single-parenthood and the flexibility that I've needed. I may well have been able to earn more elsewhere, but that was my choice.
In the case of the child - if one child eats peanuts and then maybe crayons are shared in class, the allergic child may be exposed to fatal contact. Kids can be taught responsibility, but kids are forgetful and can make mistakes. Home schooling is not necessarily a fair option either - its more important for a child to be normally socialised in the early years than it is for an adult who can work round things more easily.
And besides, a company that banned cosmetics might find itself with very few employees.
I understand what your saying Jac. I think a more reasonable solution might be to ban peanuts at a young age until ALL kids can be reasonably expected to be educated on the subject.I do think sweeping bans and extreme measures set a dangerous mind set. Its not the private sector (yet) that has brought in the comsmetics ban but rather our Federal Government. Thats the big brother/nation of sheeple aspect I find hair-raising. Im talking about aprox. a million people forced to conform in order to keep thier jobs. Thats the inherent danger.
Abyss31: Responsibility and compassion need to go hand-in-hand.
Expecting the world to change for an individual is VERY different than hoping the world will be sensitive to situations.
The problem in things like this is the individual often ends up with more rights or appears more important than the masses.
How bad CAN it get?
When my daughter was in a pre-school she the parents were told that we could not send/use sunblock because one other child had an allergy to them. So all the kids can get skin cancer so the one kid doesn't have an allergic reaction?
The outcry was swift. The 'request' was dropped.
How bad WILL it get?
Let's sit back and watch.
Expecting the world to change for an individual is VERY different than hoping the world will be sensitive to situations.
The problem in things like this is the individual often ends up with more rights or appears more important than the masses.
How bad CAN it get?
When my daughter was in a pre-school she the parents were told that we could not send/use sunblock because one other child had an allergy to them. So all the kids can get skin cancer so the one kid doesn't have an allergic reaction?
The outcry was swift. The 'request' was dropped.
How bad WILL it get?
Let's sit back and watch.
I completely agree Aby...Resonsibilty and compassion must go hand in hand. Education is key
lilmamma71: I'm allergic to Ethyl Paraben which is found in a LOT of cosmetics..and that sucks because I have had to really watch what I buy as far as skin make up, shampoo, etc...it has made my eyelashes and eyebrows fall out before, so I am very careful because I'd be a mess if I got a hold of that accidentally!
Im bothered, but also my youngest daughter to a greater degree...I understand the soap/perfume allergy thing. But as you say YOU need to watch yourself as do we. YOU dont expect every co-worker to give it up for you...Thats extreme.
venusenvy: Im bothered, but also my youngest daughter to a greater degree...I understand the soap/perfume allergy thing. But as you say YOU need to watch yourself as do we. YOU dont expect every co-worker to give it up for you...Thats extreme.
I have always had sensitive skin, I have to use special soaps or my skin will turn into a leathery, itchy, mess and I'm scratching like i have fleas.
But I didn't develop the stupid Ethyl allergy until later in life, my body apparently likes to revolt on me..it was quite an experience to go to bed and wake up with like 2 eyelashes and a few wisps of hair on my eyebrows...and I stayed home until it went away, it was so embarrassing..felt like getting out a sharpie! LOL
getting older sucks...
venusenvy: I understand what your saying Jac. I think a more reasonable solution might be to ban peanuts at a young age until ALL kids can be reasonably expected to be educated on the subject.I do think sweeping bans and extreme measures set a dangerous mind set. Its not the private sector (yet) that has brought in the comsmetics ban but rather our Federal Government. Thats the big brother/nation of sheeple aspect I find hair-raising. Im talking about aprox. a million people forced to conform in order to keep thier jobs. Thats the inherent danger.
Discretion and good sense is key, I agree.
Just a thought...I remember you saying about the bhurka being banned in Canada, is that right? Is it the same area of legislation that has lead to the make-up ban?
Its a tricksie old business looking after all individual needs and we must sensibly prioritise and recognise when to take personal responsibility. Whilst I'll fight tooth and nail for my daughter's right to have a child, breast feed and maintain her education, I understand its not a perfect world and compromises from all sides are necessary and appreciated.
Conrad73: I wonder some times!
We were doused in Iodine!
Never heard about Allergies to it!
Ate Peanuts by the Pound!
Never heard about Allergies!
What the Heck is happening?
Is it because Children these days are basically being brought up in a Bubble?
We were doused in Iodine!
Never heard about Allergies to it!
Ate Peanuts by the Pound!
Never heard about Allergies!
What the Heck is happening?
Is it because Children these days are basically being brought up in a Bubble?
No it is inherited from theri parents. It runs in families. Each succeeding generation has bigger allergies thena the one before.
For instance. My mother was sensitive to certain soaps etc. Certain ones sometimes brought her out in a rash. Of her children, I am allergic to many things, though some of these allergies only developed (became apparant),later in life. My arthritis is the result. A sister has ashtma. My brother is getting allergic build ups now in his 50s. His children are allergic to all dairy products, and many other foods. His son is a coeliac, (allergic to gluten).
Of my children, (my ex had allergies in his family too), my kids have allergies to many foods like me, my son to the point of anaphalaxis. (We fought for his life for 3 days once, after he took one sip of beer), another time it was lemons, peppers, honey. Now it is all alcohol, peas, bananas, etc building all the time.
His son is allergic to many foods too. My youngest daughter had ashtma and food allergies. Her daughter is allergic to eggs, (know how many things eggs are in?).
People who don't have this, don't understand what it is like to celebrate the end of every day, that your child has lived just one day more.
Taking away a child's quality of life, by locking them at home, just because they have an allergy, is just not on! It is cruelty! Just another form of intolerance!
My oldest daughter had sensitivites to many things incuding the washing stuffs like my mother had, also foods. Now her son is allergic to the protein in milk, among other things.
lilmamma71: I'm allergic to Ethyl Paraben which is found in a LOT of cosmetics..and that sucks because I have had to really watch what I buy as far as skin make up, shampoo, etc...it has made my eyelashes and eyebrows fall out before, so I am very careful because I'd be a mess if I got a hold of that accidentally!
Lilmamma, I could kiss you! Mwah!
I think you may have just solved my mystery of months of ill health (which is most unusual for me).
I'll let you know when I've checked the ingredients of everything in the house.
Whooopppeeee!!!
The air we breathe, the vaccinations we get, even the processing that happens in food, ingredients in cleaning products, flouridation in water and chlorination, use of solvents, all of these are breaking down our immune systems to the point where soon everyone will have allergies to something or other.
This has been happening a long time. My symptoms started in the 50s, when I was growing up, before it became a huge thing to pass laws against the use of certain ingredients in foods etc. More prevalent in the West too, where more processed foods are eated and toxic substances are used.
This has been happening a long time. My symptoms started in the 50s, when I was growing up, before it became a huge thing to pass laws against the use of certain ingredients in foods etc. More prevalent in the West too, where more processed foods are eated and toxic substances are used.
jac379: Lilmamma, I could kiss you! Mwah!
I think you may have just solved my mystery of months of ill health (which is most unusual for me).
I'll let you know when I've checked the ingredients of everything in the house.
Whooopppeeee!!!
I think you may have just solved my mystery of months of ill health (which is most unusual for me).
I'll let you know when I've checked the ingredients of everything in the house.
Whooopppeeee!!!
I sure hope so...it's horrible...
GingerBe: The air we breathe, the vaccinations we get, even the processing that happens in food, ingredients in cleaning products, flouridation in water and chlorination, use of solvents, all of these are breaking down our immune systems to the point where soon everyone will have allergies to something or other.
This has been happening a long time. My symptoms started in the 50s, when I was growing up, before it became a huge thing to pass laws against the use of certain ingredients in foods etc. More prevalent in the West too, where more processed foods are eated and toxic substances are used.
This has been happening a long time. My symptoms started in the 50s, when I was growing up, before it became a huge thing to pass laws against the use of certain ingredients in foods etc. More prevalent in the West too, where more processed foods are eated and toxic substances are used.
Combined with the reduction in breast feeding, excercise, blah, blah, blah. Yup, I agree, it can be tackled from many avenues.
Education and replacing with healthy alternatives, is a better way to go than taking away from people, I'm sure.
_LoVe_BuG_: I can't believe half the responses I'm reading here who consider it an inconvenience to make sure their actions do not potentially kill another child!
My daughter does not have ab allergy to anything.. thankfully but if she did, I would like to think that there are parents out their that are compassionate enough to consider my child's safety.
A peanut allergy is life threatening.. not only from ingesting but even if another child has eaten something with peanut butter & not washed & maybe touches a chair that the child with the allergy could touch. That child could die!
Every single school my daughter has attended has been a peanut free school. I have NO issues with that at all. I adjusted her lunches years ago & have no trouble finding products that are nut free. I have also educated my daughter in regards to these types of allergies so that she understands & is also compassionate to anyone with the allergy. She washes her hands every morning before going off to school just in case & she feels good that she is not potentially putting another child in harm.
When she has had sleepovers, I speak with all parents to be sure there are no allergies. She had one little friend who was allergic to peanuts so I simply ensured there were none around to harm her. It was not an inconvenience for any of the kids who attended.
To all of you who see this as unfair or inconvenient, I hope you never are put in a situation where a loved one deals with this type of allergy & people have no compassion or understanding to you!
My daughter does not have ab allergy to anything.. thankfully but if she did, I would like to think that there are parents out their that are compassionate enough to consider my child's safety.
A peanut allergy is life threatening.. not only from ingesting but even if another child has eaten something with peanut butter & not washed & maybe touches a chair that the child with the allergy could touch. That child could die!
Every single school my daughter has attended has been a peanut free school. I have NO issues with that at all. I adjusted her lunches years ago & have no trouble finding products that are nut free. I have also educated my daughter in regards to these types of allergies so that she understands & is also compassionate to anyone with the allergy. She washes her hands every morning before going off to school just in case & she feels good that she is not potentially putting another child in harm.
When she has had sleepovers, I speak with all parents to be sure there are no allergies. She had one little friend who was allergic to peanuts so I simply ensured there were none around to harm her. It was not an inconvenience for any of the kids who attended.
To all of you who see this as unfair or inconvenient, I hope you never are put in a situation where a loved one deals with this type of allergy & people have no compassion or understanding to you!
Huge thumbs up
While the bantering has been going on for 2 hours since I last checked in, I've made a kiddie picnic table (for age 5-8 range).
I guarantee that no peanut products or bi-products were used in making the picnic table.
(To accomodate everyone, I'll emboss on the top, "no peanuts @ this table!")
Okay, now to go stain it.
Fight the good fight gang.
I guarantee that no peanut products or bi-products were used in making the picnic table.
(To accomodate everyone, I'll emboss on the top, "no peanuts @ this table!")
Okay, now to go stain it.
Fight the good fight gang.
mindfful: hey paw paw
so strange
i have transitioned out of hospice to nannying
these young parents are starved for common sense input and experience from an 'older more seasoned parent' as they put it.
i currently serve 4 families and they all chose me because of my age and because they felt overwhelmed with all the conflicting advice in books and from doctors today.
yes god forbid they are held to sleep or have a wooden anything
sure time goes on and things are discovered but there are few hard and fast rules
so strange
i have transitioned out of hospice to nannying
these young parents are starved for common sense input and experience from an 'older more seasoned parent' as they put it.
i currently serve 4 families and they all chose me because of my age and because they felt overwhelmed with all the conflicting advice in books and from doctors today.
yes god forbid they are held to sleep or have a wooden anything
sure time goes on and things are discovered but there are few hard and fast rules
I used to let my sun stand in my lap when he was about 2 years old and "drive" the car.
That's probably a federal offense now! (we did it on country roads, not on the interstate.) He thought he was hot stuff! It was so cute. :)
I have very bad asthma also from child hood, and strong smells send me in to a attack, I cant ask the world not too wear nice smelling things because I have a problem, If I smell something I think will set off a attack I remove my self, My parents taught us kids to deal with our problems and how best to avoid them,
I think all kids need to be taugh how to deal with there problems. It helps later in life,Im very thankful my parents taught us how to deal with problems.
I think all kids need to be taugh how to deal with there problems. It helps later in life,Im very thankful my parents taught us how to deal with problems.
In response to: As far as allergies go well IMO the kid should be home schooled or something like that.
It depends on how severe the allergy is.If it as severe as some have stated where just a few whiffs of a peanut will kill them in minutes,then it would be prudent to keep your child inside away from all others.
If an allergy is so severe that death will in minutes occur ,just from touching peanuts or smelling them, then it would be reckless to allow your child out in public.What if they went into the corner store,(or wherever), to buy a magazine,
(or whatever), the guy behind the counter just ate peanuts and handed your child back change? You child could then,unthinkingly,stick their finger in their mouth or inhale some of the peanut residue and die.
If the allergy is that severe then the suggestion of homeschooling is quite sensible and probably necessary.
maryrachelle: It depends on how severe the allergy is.If it as severe as some have stated where just a few whiffs of a peanut will kill them in minutes,then it would be prudent to keep your child inside away from all others.If an allergy is so severe that death will in minutes occur ,just from touching peanuts or smelling them, then it would be reckless to allow your child out in public.What if they went into the corner store,(or wherever), to buy a magazine,
(or whatever), the guy behind the counter just ate peanuts and handed your child back change? You child could then,unthinkingly,stick their finger in their mouth or inhale some of the peanut residue and die. If the allergy is that severe then the suggestion of homeschooling is quite sensible and probably necessary.
(or whatever), the guy behind the counter just ate peanuts and handed your child back change? You child could then,unthinkingly,stick their finger in their mouth or inhale some of the peanut residue and die. If the allergy is that severe then the suggestion of homeschooling is quite sensible and probably necessary.
From what I heard on the radio about this kid. Any exposure to peanut;s would kill him/her. You can bet that the school is gonna have a problem at some time. Some low income family may send their kid to school with peanut butter and crackers for a snack and then no knowing or caring about others is gonna have a huge impact.
Actractorguy: From what I heard on the radio about this kid. Any exposure to peanut;s would kill him/her. You can bet that the school is gonna have a problem at some time. Some low income family may send their kid to school with peanut butter and crackers for a snack and then no knowing or caring about others is gonna have a huge impact.
low income?
thats a fave snack in my house
mindfful: low income?
thats a fave snack in my house
thats a fave snack in my house
I love the stuff. Saltines and peanut butter
metalgiiiiirl 
Actractorguy: I love the stuff. Saltines and peanut butter
Sweet and salty Nuts Granola is yummsMore Threads
What's going on
Your Mental Health
Heavy Bass In The PM
Blast From The Past
Name A Book In The Bible That Begins With The First Letter Of Your Name
New here. Single Guy from Grand Rapids, MI.
How To Secure Your Gate
"Emotions at the Crossroads"
Reality Check
The world is as you see
More Threads
Report threads that break rules, are offensive, or contain fighting. Staff may not be aware of the forum abuse, and cannot do anything about it unless you tell us about it. click to report forum abuse »
I know. and its that grit and determination that will find the right way. If all parents were as sharp, protective, and cared as much as you, this wouldnt be an issue.