jac379: Discretion and good sense is key, I agree.
Just a thought...I remember you saying about the bhurka being banned in Canada, is that right? Is it the same area of legislation that has lead to the make-up ban?
Its a tricksie old business looking after all individual needs and we must sensibly prioritise and recognise when to take personal responsibility. Whilst I'll fight tooth and nail for my daughter's right to have a child, breast feed and maintain her education, I understand its not a perfect world and compromises from all sides are necessary and appreciated.
O! Thats Montreal. Its very contraversal still, but they are bringing in legislation banning wearing full burkha in all government facilities airports etc. Its very interesting as I was listening to a group of young students, argue the merits pro and con. Its good that are young peeps are considering and arguing it. But you also have to understand the shall we say Quebeciox mind set. They are pretty fierce.
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
Actractorguy: From what I heard on the radio about this kid. Any exposure to peanut;s would kill him/her. You can bet that the school is gonna have a problem at some time. Some low income family may send their kid to school with peanut butter and crackers for a snack and then no knowing or caring about others is gonna have a huge impact.
Well then this particular child needs to be kept at home.Why would a parent send a child out into the world among things they know can kill them.That would be like telling your child to go play in the woods during hunting season.Why take the very real risk of their dying. *****************************************************************
Even if there is no peanuts allowed at school what if a child ate some at home,then came to school and came into close contact with the allergic child?Knowing how children can sometimes be what if some peanut butter is smeared on one of their books,pencils or paper and the allergic child asks to borrow from them? ***************************************************************
The schools can't account for everything no matter how hard they try.Banning peanuts and products that contain peanuts will not assure protection.As I said before perhaps a special class or assembly can be held to teach children all about the dangers that people will allergies can face?
Actractorguy: As a kid used to take salted peanuts and dump them in a bottle of cold coke. That was the best thing ever.
All my sister would only eat peanut butter sandwiches for lunch all the time.
Shes 44 now and still will not eat jelly or ketchup,mayo or musterd or anything made with them. If it wasnt for peanut butter she never would have anything too eat.
GingerBe: The air we breathe, the vaccinations we get, even the processing that happens in food, ingredients in cleaning products, flouridation in water and chlorination, use of solvents, all of these are breaking down our immune systems to the point where soon everyone will have allergies to something or other.
This has been happening a long time. My symptoms started in the 50s, when I was growing up, before it became a huge thing to pass laws against the use of certain ingredients in foods etc. More prevalent in the West too, where more processed foods are eated and toxic substances are used.
I agree I also think its environmentally related. I do see where allergies have grown in relation to the increase in processed foods and toxic cleaning products etc. Its rather like overuse of antibiotics
MetalgirlPlushSan Francisco, California USA875 posts
venusenvy: I agree I also think its environmentally related. I do see where allergies have grown in relation to the increase in processed foods and toxic cleaning products etc. Its rather like overuse of antibiotics
Oh i know..If ur always on antibiotics you get immune and your body doesnt fight off anything.A lot of ppl dont realize that,but its soo true!
maryrachelle: It depends on how severe the allergy is.If it as severe as some have stated where just a few whiffs of a peanut will kill them in minutes,then it would be prudent to keep your child inside away from all others.If an allergy is so severe that death will in minutes occur ,just from touching peanuts or smelling them, then it would be reckless to allow your child out in public.What if they went into the corner store,(or wherever), to buy a magazine, (or whatever), the guy behind the counter just ate peanuts and handed your child back change? You child could then,unthinkingly,stick their finger in their mouth or inhale some of the peanut residue and die. If the allergy is that severe then the suggestion of homeschooling is quite sensible and probably necessary.
It is very obvious from reading your responses that you have no children of your own! If you did perhaps you might understand a bit better how important just the social aspect of school can be for a child. These kids are innocent & did not ask to have a life threatening allergy. So is it too much to ask that a school ban peanut products so that even just one child has the same social opportunities as the other hundreds of kids there do?
I am surprised considering you are from NB that you do not realize that the majority of schools here are declared peanut free.. it is not a big deal nor is it a huge sacrifice for the other kids or their parents..
For those that have said it is no worse than kids with bee allergies.. do other kids carry bees with them in their lunch bags every day??
venusenvy: I think this is the perfect example of the system gone mad. You set a dangerous precedent when you teach children the world revolves around them. It seems to me its not teaching children to be aware and responsible for themselves. Peanut/bee allergies are not new...How did kids cope in the past?
Exactly. If we were to start this, there just wouldn't be any end to it.
venusenvy: I agree I also think its environmentally related. I do see where allergies have grown in relation to the increase in processed foods and toxic cleaning products etc. Its rather like overuse of antibiotics
Yeah I forgot the antibiotics.
For the last ten years they have been phasing out oil based paints and artificial white spirits for thinning paint and cleaning brushes, too. They found that turps substitutes end up in the water table and no amount of filtering and cleaning eradicates it, Consequently we drink it, and then wonder why our bodies react so violently to so many things.
MetalgirlPlush: Oh i know..If ur always on antibiotics you get immune and your body doesnt fight off anything.A lot of ppl dont realize that,but its soo true!
For sure Metal Sadly we are seeing it manifest now in peeps. Luckily Ive rarely used them myself. But they have been overused for a long time.
MetalgirlPlushSan Francisco, California USA875 posts
_LoVe_BuG_: It is very obvious from reading your responses that you have no children of your own! If you did perhaps you might understand a bit better how important just the social aspect of school can be for a child. These kids are innocent & did not ask to have a life threatening allergy. So is it too much to ask that a school ban peanut products so that even just one child has the same social opportunities as the other hundreds of kids there do?
I am surprised considering you are from NB that you do not realize that the majority of schools here are declared peanut free.. it is not a big deal nor is it a huge sacrifice for the other kids or their parents..
For those that have said it is no worse than kids with bee allergies.. do other kids carry bees with them in their lunch bags every day??
i think the parents should have already made the svhool aware of the kids peanut allergy to begin with. And good parents teach there kids what there allergic 2 .So kid should know.School should make a note of it,and pay attention.
MetalgirlPlush: 4real you remember that too lol..I was driving myself nuts over cutting my hair..Haha thats cool that u remember me.Thx sweetie,your cool
course i remember you im sure many of us do
youre sane and pleasant- even handed in conversation
For the last ten years they have been phasing out oil based paints and artificial white spirits for thinning paint and cleaning brushes, too. They found that turps substitutes end up in the water table and no amount of filtering and cleaning eradicates it, Consequently we drink it, and then wonder why our bodies react so violently to so many things.
Oooo Ya peeps always yap off about the water in Meico...the reality is I wouldnt touch the water out of any municipal tap in Canada.
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
_LoVe_BuG_: It is very obvious from reading your responses that you have no children of your own! If you did perhaps you might understand a bit better how important just the social aspect of school can be for a child. These kids are innocent & did not ask to have a life threatening allergy. So is it too much to ask that a school ban peanut products so that even just one child has the same social opportunities as the other hundreds of kids there do?
I am surprised considering you are from NB that you do not realize that the majority of schools here are declared peanut free.. it is not a big deal nor is it a huge sacrifice for the other kids or their parents..
For those that have said it is no worse than kids with bee allergies.. do other kids carry bees with them in their lunch bags every day??
The question still remains that why would you send your child into a situation in which they could possibly die? No matter if school is good for a child socially or not,is not being alive better?If a child has an allergy so severe that they can die in minutes(not all allergies are that severe)then their life has to come above everything else.
Bees do not have to be carried to school.They are already all over the place and kids who have those allergies are at constant risk all the time.
As for where I am from and I know of no law that has declared that every person must believe the same way and have the same opinions.As for how parents feel about this,well of the parents I know none are happy about it.They were forced into it.I also know many who do it anyway.
ActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA2,089 posts
MetalgirlPlush: Oh i know..If ur always on antibiotics you get immune and your body doesnt fight off anything.A lot of ppl dont realize that,but its soo true!
I used to get sick all the time when I was active duty. Got out and after a couple of years I quit getting sick. All those dang shots and stuff really messes up a person's system. Now if I get a bug it's gone and over within 24 hours.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
maryrachelle: Well then this particular child needs to be kept at home.Why would a parent send a child out into the world among things they know can kill them.That would be like telling your child to go play in the woods during hunting season.Why take the very real risk of their dying. *****************************************************************
Even if there is no peanuts allowed at school what if a child ate some at home,then came to school and came into close contact with the allergic child?Knowing how children can sometimes be what if some peanut butter is smeared on one of their books,pencils or paper and the allergic child asks to borrow from them? ***************************************************************
The schools can't account for everything no matter how hard they try.Banning peanuts and products that contain peanuts will not assure protection.As I said before perhaps a special class or assembly can be held to teach children all about the dangers that people will allergies can face?
Somebody on this thread and I can't remember who, said their child always washed their hands immediately before going to school and enjoyed the responsibility of taking care to protect a fellow pupil. That's a good thing, isn't it?
If a child has a severe allergy, I'd say you have to weigh up protection against quality of life. If precautions are taken to create an allergen free zone, that doesn't mean that emergency proceedures shouldn't be in place. Just as the child with the allergy will be forgetful, so might others.
There are risks crossing the road, driving a car and allowing our children freedom and independance, but they are risks that we minimise sensibly and to the best of our ability. Sadly, we can't account for every eventuality, but to avoid these risks would screw up our kids.
Its about minimising risks, catering for emergencies AND maintaining a reasonable quality of life to the best of our ability. If that requires a bit of collective responsibility, is that any different from the way all adults in a village will look out for all children and help if they get themselves into a fix?
Maybe that's part of the problem, we've lost some of that community thing that worked really rather well in lots of instances.
maryrachelle: The question still remains that why would you send your child into a situation in which they could possibly die? No matter if school is good for a child socially or not,is not being alive better?If a child has an allergy so severe that they can die in minutes(not all allergies are that severe)then their life has to come above everything else. Bees do not have to be carried to school.They are already all over the place and kids who have those allergies are at constant risk all the time.As for where I am from and I know of no law that has declared that every person must believe the same way and have the same opinions.As for how parents feel about this,well of the parents I know none are happy about it.They were forced into it.I also know many who do it anyway.
So because a child has an affliction that is potentially life threatening, they should be excluded from something that is a given right in our country? What if this child's parents cannot afford to homeschool? What if this child comes from a single parent home & the parent has to work to support his/her family? Should that parent be forced to be on welfare to stay home & homeschool their child? That is UNREALISTIC & UNFAIR!
Having a child who has changed schools several times due to relocation & having had experience with each of those schools having nut bans, I know from experience that none of the parents I ever came in contact with had any issues with it. I guess the people I know are more understanding & compassionate to other kids' needs than the ones you obviously know!
AmityDodging Daggers, Wiltshire, England UK6,217 posts
_LoVe_BuG_: So because a child has an affliction that is potentially life threatening, they should be excluded from something that is a given right in our country? What if this child's parents cannot afford to homeschool? What if this child comes from a single parent home & the parent has to work to support his/her family? Should that parent be forced to be on welfare to stay home & homeschool their child? That is UNREALISTIC & UNFAIR!
Having a child who has changed schools several times due to relocation & having had experience with each of those schools having nut bans, I know from experience that none of the parents I ever came in contact with had any issues with it. I guess the people I know are more understanding & compassionate to other kids' needs than the ones you obviously know!
Abso bloody lutely
As i said earlier...i am soooo thankful i live in a society who accepts and willing to help others.
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