RE: Trump Haters

Aah, I thought Fox News might satisfy your complaints of msm bias, but given you support and make excuses for a rapist, that was foolish of me.
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RE: Trump Haters

This is what he did to ordinary Scottish people:



If you can't bring yourself to watch the depths of Trump's bullying, destruction, snobbery against ordinary people, spiteful actions and cruelty, watching up to 1:12 will give you a clue.
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RE: Trump Haters

Trump has used his elite status to commit persistent fraud that has swindled ordinary Americans out of tax payments and therefore services.

RE: Trump Haters

There's this from Fox News about Trump habitually not paying ordinary Americans the money he owes them:

RE: Trump Haters

And then there's Trump grifting off ordinary Americans and not just to pay for his presidential campaign, or even his personal legal fees.

Despite barely being seen in public with her husband for quite some time, Melania Trump is creaming off ordinary Americans. Her fashion consultant alone has been paid $368,000 per year out of PAC donations and MAGA hat sales. That's more than the average whole lifetime income for an ordinary American.
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RE: Trump Haters

And yet there was the Trump Tax Reform Plan which cut corporate taxes permanently and individual rates temporarily.

"The law cut corporate tax rates permanently and individual tax rates temporarily. It permanently removed the individual mandate—a key provision of the Affordable Care Act—which was likely to raise insurance premiums and significantly reduce the number of people with coverage.8 The highest earners were expected to benefit most from the law, while the lowest earners were believed to pay more in taxes once most individual tax provisions expire after 2025."

And

"According to the Congressional Budget Office, repealing the measure (Personal Exemption and Heathcare Mandate) is likely to reduce federal deficits by around $338 billion from 2018 to 2027, but lead 13 million more people to live without insurance at the end of that period, pushing premiums up by an average of around 10%."

RE: The HIGH cost of supporting Trump...

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RE: The HIGH cost of supporting Trump...

Silver...?

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I remember using a lovely, shiny, brass thrupenny bit on the bus to school in 1972 just before we decimalised. I still grieve for their magic and beauty, such was that little treasure's impact upon my unclouded mind.

RE: The HIGH cost of supporting Trump...

The case to a large extent was demonstrated via two other women independently describing s*xual assaults by Trump.

The accounts were so strikingly similar to each other and Carroll's independent account that the 'similar fact evidence' lead to a jury finding Trump liable for s*xual assault.

The jury did not find Trump liable for s*xual battery (as you erroneously claim above) on the technical point that whilst the other two women had been sexually assaulted by Trump, they managed to get away from him and had not been raped.

It was Judge Lewis Kaplan who clarified that Carroll's testimony, having been so accurately corroborated by the other two witnesses was found to be reliable and resolved that Carroll was indeed raped by Trump in the common understanding of the word. He was quite clear for Trump not to misunderstand full extent of his s*xual assault liability.

And yes, liability is based upon a lower bar, not because the rape didn't happen, but because the defendent cannot lose their liberty via a civil suit as you quite rightly pointed out. The proponderance of evidence from this civil suit indicates that Trump is a sex offender many times over.

This is the man you support, make excuses for and deem kind-hearted and decent. Perhaps it's your bar that needs to be raised.

By the way, it was Alina Habba who failed to provide a DNA sample from Trump in time for the dress to be submitted into evidence, much like she didn't check the box for a jury trial in the civil fraud case and then whined about the unfairness of a bench trial when Judge Arthur Engoron made his summary judgement. That doesn't come from msm, it comes from assessments by trial lawyers who have been tracking the paperwork, including Habba's/Trump's defense choices. All the relevant papers filed are in the public domain, so you can put your strong and forceful mind to checking that for yourself.

The dress was a double-edged sword at the time, anyway. Given the passage of time, DNA from the dress may have degraded. Had Trump provided a sample, but his DNA wasn't found on the dress, that would have helped him enormously.

On the other hand, if his DNA was found on the dress it would have been absolutely damning. The dress and DNA evidence was a risk for both of them, but it was team Trump who chose not to take that risk. hmmm

RE: The HIGH cost of supporting Trump...

From 2019:


And...

"Donald Trump has been ordered by a judge to pay $2m in damages for illegally using funds intended for charity to boost his 2016 presidential election campaign.

The US president admitted to personally misusing the money, according to New York’s attorney general, despite having previously denied any wrongdoing.

The humiliating fine adds to Trump’s woes that include several investigations into allegations that he is using public office for self-enrichment, as well as an impeachment inquiry by the House of Representatives.

The attorney general in New York filed a lawsuit last year alleging Trump and his three eldest children - Don Jr, Ivanka and Eric - broke campaign finance laws in 2016 by using the Donald J Trump Foundation’s tax-exempt status “as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr Trump’s business and political interests”.

There was “a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation – including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more,” the suit argued."


RE: The HIGH cost of supporting Trump...

Rape is about entitlement.

There is no righteousness in supporting someone found legally liable for rape.

It's about as righteous as claiming you can grab women by the pu**y, or calling a female attorney a c*nt.

And I don't give a thruppeny bit if that's ridiculing your egregious and sickening attitude, especially on a dating website. It doesn't get more ridiculous than that.

RE: The HIGH cost of supporting Trump...

Even if many Trump's supporters are happy for him to use donations any which way he pleases, the law stipulates that funds raised for a specific purpose must be used for that purpose.

It's so you can't raise funds for orphans and then use the money to buy yourself a Rolls Royce. That would be fraudulent and that should be patently obvious.
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RE: The HIGH cost of supporting Trump...

On that note, I think there's trouble brewing for Trump for possibly using a fund raised for his election fraud allegations to instead pay for lawyers in the cases against himself.

If that's the case, Trump trying to claim the civil and criminal cases against him are all part of the same conspiracy as his claims of election fraud, are unlikely to impress any judge, jury, or appellate panel. The rule of law is not like the court of public opinion, in as much as it requires evidence.

RE: life principles

“There is only one sin. and that is theft... when you tell a lie, you steal someones right to the truth.” Khaled Hosseini, The Kite Runner

RE: life principles

Is this the first time we have interacted?

I have read so many of your posts, it doesn't feel like it. wave

RE: life principles

I think I'm old enough to know there are no absolutes.

I would steal, or kill and cook an animal if my grandchildren were starving.

I would kill a human being if they were attacking one of my grandchildren.

I would lie to save a persecuted life.

Not violating one's code of ethics is a right, but also a luxury.

We can but try to do the right thing in whatever circumstances we find ourselves in.

RE: A huge Task Ahead.

But apparently, rapists are.

So much for integrity, honesty, good moral values, fairness, decency, principles, good character and self-respect.
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RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

Update on the above:

Habba was sanctioned nearly $1M in one case and some $400,000 in another under Rule 11. The former was an alleged election fraud filing and the latter, some allegation against Hillary Clinton, I think.



In other words, on behalf of Trump, Habba filed frivolous allegations without adequate investigation, or factual basis. As baseless suits squander finite resources and therefore disrupt genuine legal proceedings, civil Rule 11 breaches are sanctionable.

When Habba recently accused Judge Lewis Kaplan and prosecutor Robbie Kaplan of having an 'insane' and 'incestuous' mentor/mentee relationship, she relied on an anonymous 'informer' in a 'news' article. She did not trouble herself to ask either Kaplan, not did she research the claim before petitioning the court and causing a public stink.

Robbie Kaplan responded pointing out that whilst they both worked for the same very large law firm for under two years, they did not ever work together and to her best recollection, never met. Habba back-tracked pdq, likely because Robbie Kaplan suggested her allegations were breaches of Rule 11 and therefore sanctionable. Not only might Habba face yet more financial loss, she was also at risk of being referred to the bar for repeated Rule 11 breaches.

The political goal has likely been achieved, however. The idea of an incestuous relationship and subsequent bias in the E. Jean Carroll defamation case has been said out loud and will become concrete in the hearts and minds of Trump supporters.

Trump has used the same technique many times, including when he made various suggestions during his presidency that he may remain in office for more that two terms, even for life. It wasn't a 'thing' until he spoke it out loud, after which it became 'something' that was being discussed.

Once 'something' is being discussed, it's up for discussion. This is how Trump has insidiously placed himself in the position where the rules of democracy don't apply to him; he can attempt to hold on to power and if he regains power, he has already established that being a dictator on day one is up for discussion and even already accepted by his supporters.

RE: What's so special about Johnny

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

I'm reading that it is possible to appeal, that is Trump is within his rights to appeal, but that's different from appealing his case with merit.

Having merit to appeal hasn't stopped Trump as yet, even up to the Supreme Court.

At which stage the appeal is rejected is a different matter: if my memory serves me correctly, in the sixty or so cases of election fraud Trump appealed to the Supreme Court, they refused to review every single, meritless one.

He might throw Habba under the bus claiming ineffective counsel, but the question remains whether effective counsel could have altered the outcome. With other cases and costs arriving all at once like a No.13 bus, perhaps flogging the dead horse of the E. Jean Carroll defamation suit(s) isn't going to serve him well.

Losing the 'Teflon Don' invincibility image (or Donald Von Schitzenpanz as Michael Cohen has taken to calling him) is bad enough - it's maybe best if this monumental defeat isn't affirmed in six months, or a year's time when Trump is in the thick of his criminal trials and the election. Especially if he's going to lose the $83.3M + interest + appeal costs anyway.

It will also funnel personnel resources away from his other trials. Lawyers may be hard to come by as he appears to naturally haemorrhage them before he can fire them.

The only advantage for Trump that I can see in having the award held on bond while he appeals, is to torment Carroll for as long as possible as punishment for not being grateful that he raped her. As she's 80 years old, he may hope his malice outlives her.

On the other hand, Habba likes to bark loudly in Trump's campaign favour and re-election is likely his only hope to avoid abject ruin. Perhaps his best strategy is to keep Habba cacophonously appealing to his supporters from her unique vantage point. dunno

RE: Don't You Dare..!

The big difference is that you have to be a good person to get a good partner. If you think your partner/wife/husband was a bad person, don't you dare claiming you're good!
I was referring to domestic abuse, the cycle of abuse and people (mostly women) who are murdered by their partners.

In that context, the first sentence implies victims of domestic abuse deserve it because they are 'bad' people who pick 'bad' partners.

The second implies that victims of domestic abuse should keep quiet in shame at their own 'badness'.

It was an attempt at a sweet analogy by Kal, but it has ramifications for some people that I feel compelled to address.

RE: Don't You Dare..!

I don't think you thought that through, Kal.

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

As we both know, I dealt with my error a number of posts ago.

I'm not scared to admit my mistakes. hmmm

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

That's why Judge Engoron removed Trump's control from many of his businesses and put Barbara Jones in place to monitor his business actions.

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

What statute was that?

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

What do you mean "New York State may split punitive awards"?

Who is 'New York State' and what is the mechanism for 'splitting' a specific award by a jury verdict?

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

An update on this, above.

So, $5.2M + 10% is being held in the court registry from the first trial pending the appeal. If, or when Trump loses that appeal Carroll will receive that money. That will take 1-2 years to work it's way through the appellate court.

If Trump doesn't appeal this second trial, payment of the $83.3M can be enforced straight away from Trump's bank accounts. Because the Trump organisation is under the monitor of Barbara Jones, his bank accounts are known.

If Trump wants to appeal the second case, he could either stump up the full $83.3 +10% to be held in the court registry, or try and post a 10% bond (about $10M) through a bonding company.

He would have to provide accurate financial documents for a bonding company to accept liability for the remaining 90%. That is perhaps unlikely given Trump has been found liable for persistent fraud in the NY civil suit against him and Barbara Jones has flagged errors and misstatements in the last year+ since the trial began.

Any financial actions have to be approved by Barabara Jones, whether that's securing the award pending appeal, or presumably, filing for bankruptcy.

Trump's only hope is if the three appellate judges in the DC circuit court, or ultimately the Supreme Court rules that a president and/or ex-president has immunity from any criminal, or civil litigation. In that very unlikely event, both verdicts in Carroll's favour would be vacated.

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

Yeah, I've noticed you like me to do the work for you. laugh

On what grounds do you think the state might ask for a cut of the amount awarded to Carroll?

Which costs are you referring to?

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

No, the punitive damages aren't split.

Carroll will receive $18.3M, $11M of which is to fund a reputational repair campaign and $7.3M to compensate her for the emotional harm caused her by Trump's defamatory statements.

I've just dug deeper and it seems the punitive damages are also awarded to Carroll. They are awarded to deter the liable party from repeating their egregious behaviour, but are also put in place to cover medical, or other costs incurred as a result of the defendent's behaviour.

The punitive damages are awarded according to detailed criteria and are typically capped at no more than four times compensatory damages. They are taxable as 'other income', however.

Habba has 30 days to file to Judge Kaplan for remittitur (to reduce the size of the award), or vacatur (to set aside, or vacate the jury judement), but under those circumstances the judge could also increase the award.

To appeal the case, Trump must put up $83.3M plus interest in bond (or possibly 10% of that), just as he's handed over the $5M+ in order to appeal the first case. If a part of that appeal strategy is to claim Judge Kaplan had a vested interest in the size of the award it would surely have to be demonstrated that he manipulated the jury outside of the state's compensatory and punitive damages criteria and that he would somehow directly benefit from Carroll's tax bill.

RE: Habba Dabba stepped in some Dudu...

'Split' into, or between what?

Who is 'they'?

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