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RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

You do respect that time. But that doesn't mean you respect them now. And watch or attend funerals to show that respect.?

But that's just my point of view. She has every right in a free country to respects who she likes.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

Didn't sleep much.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

That's fair enough. It's a free world and if you want to respect her that's your choice.

But if you're blindly respecting just because she was a woman that would be rather silly. As long as you know she did support the apartheid regime in SA in the 80's. That's a fact you can read up on.
She did support the dictator General Pinochet in Chile. He murdered as many as the IRA and tortured thousands more. That's a fact you can read up on.

She did many dodgy arms deals with countries that really should not have been supplied arms as the governments were using them on their own people. And her SON Mark was the middle man and made hundreds of millions in the process.

If you know the sort of governments herself and Regan helped prop up and the things they done, and you can still respect her as a role model well that's fair enough.

RE: Irish Banking !!

Well the central bank can't even get a simple quote right. So why would anyone trust them to keep our banks in line.

From RTE.IE today

"The Central Bank has said it regrets the error contained in a new commemorative coin which misquotes James Joyce.

In a statement to RTÉ News, it said the coin would remain on sale.

The €10 coin features an image of the writer and a quote from Ulysses, which contains an extra word - "that".

Joyce wrote: "Ineluctable modality of the visible: at least that if no more, thought through my eyes. Signatures of all things I am here to read."

However, the coin contains a surplus "that" in the second sentence"

RE: Irish Banking !!

Who said I was good with money? Who says I know about investing money? That is nothing to do with my area in finance at all. And why would I set up a company when I am happy and secure where I am?

You haven't a clue about my job or what I do so don't try to give me advice!

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

No. I am more Irish than you. I did Irish as a subject in school, I learned Irish History in school and I got Irish qualification when I left school and college. I have an Irish birth cert and passport and I was born in an Irish hospital. I could go on forever.

But you're trying to run away from the fact you're a HUGE hypocrite. You bang on how awful the brits are but you will gladly let the British tax payer house you, pay your Giro, pay for you course and as I have said I would put money on you having a British passport.

You're an absolute joke!

RE: Irish Banking !!

I'm not stupid with my money. I pay all my taxes and then some. Why would I leave my money in Banks that are hanging by a thread? Is it patriotic to loose all my money to bondholders in Germany?

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

That's cause you can't deny any of that! You're a hypocrite of the highest order.

RE: Irish Banking !!

Croos border banking is a grey area. As long as your deposits when you cross the border are lower than 4 or 5 k there wont be any alarm bells really. The banks in the North dont care where you live. Your banking charges will be higher but if it's a savings account you wont have many charges anyway.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

No. I wont. But I will call you a hypocrite. You bang on about how bad the "Brits" are every day,.

But where do you live? Who housed you? Who is paying for your course? Who pays for your Giro? All the British Tax payer.

If you feel so Irish and hate the "Brits" so much why do you live there? And not here? And I would put any money on you having a British Passport too as claiming your benefits over there would be easier with it.

RE: Irish Banking !!

Very simple solution is to take all your money out bar a few euro. Just get them to do you a bank draft. Then take a trip over the border into N. Ireland and deposit the money into a bank there.

RE: Irish Banking !!

And that's why my savings are not in an Irish bank.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

No point in arguing with him. His view of what is acceptable is warped. And he bangs on everyday about how the "Brits" are awful. But he does it from his home in the UK.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

That is the point I am making Kenny. That was the problem with her. She did not care about Democracy at all. She did not care what the majority wanted. All she cared about was the political ideology of a regime. If the political ideology suited her she supported them. It did not matter if they were dictators, murderers, torturers or kidnappers. Because they were right wing they were OK in her book.

So you're saying that if the majority in a country have a different way of thinking politically than you then they dont deserve to have democracy?

RE: Was Margret Thatcher good or bad for world politics

Depends where you stand in the political world really. If you're on the right I am sure you will think she was great. If you're on the left I would think not so much.

My opinion on her is not too high because of the way she supported the SA apartheid regime in the 1980's.
The way she supported General Pinochet in Chile even though he was a dictator who tortured and killed thousands of his own people.
The way she supported far right regimes around the world no matter if they were elected by the people or not.
Her handling of the hunger strikes in Northern Ireland was a disaster too.

I think she will be remembered as a leader who did far more damage than good.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

Those people are idiots. I wouldn't listen to them. You can have ideals without believing people have to die to achieve them.

I didn't hate Maggie so I wont be calling her names. I don't hate anyone thank goodness. But I didn't admire her. I fact I disagreed with 99% of what she stood for.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

And I fully accept your right and others to admire her.

She wasn't far off on her thinking of the North in my opinion.The thing I do think she messed up on is the hunger strikes. She could have handled that better but I do believe like her in not giving in to terrorists or criminals.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

That's fair enough. But she did say later in life the Anglo Irish areement was her greatest regret.

But on the same note you cant ignore her policies of supporting far right leaders, many of whom were dictators. In my view she done more damage in the world than good during her time in power.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

Maybe not. But you did say we should be thankfull to her. I dont see why to be honest.

But she did cause hardship for many in the UK and N. Ireland. She also had no problem supporting dictators who tortured and murdered and also the SA government of the 80's.

Admire her all you want but please be honest about the sort of leader you're admiring.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

Of course not. But if you are going to say you admire the woman surely you have to be honest with yourself about what she stood for and the leaders of the world she supported.

RE: The 'Iron Lady' has passed away.

He certainly can admire her. It's a free world. But saying she handled the "Irish Situation" well shows he knows nothing about the "Irish situation".
By her own admission she knew NOTHING about Irish history.

RE: The 'Iron Lady' has passed away.

The only reason she is getting a state funeral is because the Tory party is in power. If labour was in power she would not get one.

But I dont care about how she is buried really. She doesn't know about the honour and it can only help her family who must be hurting.

Just because I had no time for the woman does not mean I wish any extra pain on her family.

RE: The 'Iron Lady' has passed away.

Only someone not living in Ireland at that time and who hasn't a clue about Ireland of that time would think that.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

C'mon Snow. Is disappointing a strong enoough word. Firtsly the man was not elected. He was a distator. Secondly he killed as many as the IRA and tortured many more.

And what about her support for the SA government in the 80's? Nobody mentions that. She considers Mandella a terrorits and the ANC all terorists.

The UK papers today are full of didgy arms deals signed by her that her son Mark made millions being the middle man.

I could go on all day. In my opinion she was not a character to be admired for any reason. I wont call her any manes as others have done. But I certainly wont talk well of her just because she passed away.

RE: The 'Iron Lady' has passed away.

Posted this on Irish forums too.

I have no problem at all with someone who says they admire Thatcher. I am on the centre left of politics and if someone is to the right I am sure they would admire her.

But it's when people keep banging on about how they did not like her politics but still admired her I dont get. How is that? Can you admire someone being arrogant? Stubborn? Mis informed about many issues including Northern Ireland and even Football. Lets not forget she thought ALL football supporters were hooligans.

And for those who tell us how she stood up to terrorism. Well it can also be pointed out that she supported some very disgusting regiemes around the world because it suited her at the time.

She supported the apartheid government when it was at its deadliest killing many in the late 1980s in state terrorism in SA and abroad in bombings and cross-border raids on neighboring states accused of harboring guerrilla fighters.

She fully supported Augusto Pinochet and his disgusting disctatoship in Chile. In his time over 2000 people who spoke againts him were killed, 31,947 tortured and 1500 approx exiled. The man was a war criminal asnd she had him over on a state visit!

She supported other leaders in South America and coups and not to mention her son Marks involvent in the plot to overthrow a government.

People who want to admire the lady, well admire away. But at least be honest with the facts on her. All all those who say she has a family and nobody should speak ill of her. Well all the people who died in SA had families, all those people in Chile had families and all those young boys on the Belgrano had families too.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

I have no problem at all with someone who says they admire Thatcher. I am on the centre left of politics and if someone is to the right I am sure they would admire her.

But it's when people keep banging on about how they did not like her politics but still admired her I dont get. How is that? Can you admire someone being arrogant? Stubborn? Mis informed about many issues including Northern Ireland and even Football. Lets not forget she thought ALL football supporters were hooligans.

And for those who tell us how she stood up to terrorism. Well it can also be pointed out that she supported some very disgusting regiemes around the world because it suited her at the time.

She supported the apartheid government when it was at its deadliest killing many in the late 1980s in state terrorism in SA and abroad in bombings and cross-border raids on neighboring states accused of harboring guerrilla fighters.

She fully supported Augusto Pinochet and his disgusting disctatoship in Chile. In his time over 2000 people who spoke againts him were killed, 31,947 tortured and 1500 approx exiled. The man was a war criminal asnd she had him over on a state visit!

She supported other leaders in South America and coups and not to mention her son Marks involvent in the plot to overthrow a government.

People who want to admire the lady, well admire away. But at least be honest with the facts on her. All all those who say she has a family and nobody should speak ill of her. Well all the people who dies in SA young ahd families, all those people in Chile had fmailies and all those young boys on the Belgrano had families too.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

Again it depends on the core values doesn't it. Like Stalin had core values that he would not comprimise on. Now I am not saying she is like Stalin in any way even though people in the North of England may disagree.

My point is her failure to find any middle ground in anything was not something to be admired in my opinion. She ruled a democracy like any autocratic leader you could name. Members of her cabinet said she paid more attention to what her hairdresser thought of her policies than her own cabinet.

That is not a value to be admired. And in the end it was what took her down. She was told to rethink the poll tax and refused.

I do agree the unions did have too much power but is breaking them and giving all the power to the employer any better.? Surely a middle ground would have been a better solution.

And I dont think she stood up to terrorism any more than any other British PM.

RE: I'll shed no tears

What you call strength of conviction others may call stuborn to a point of cutting off your nose despite your face. Her strength of conviction about the poll tax was her downfall in the end. And her strength of conviction during the hunger strikes may have caused the "troubles" to last longer than they would have.

RE: Lets Blame America

Come to Ireland. We blame the Germans on everything now.

RE: Margaret Thatcher RIP

I normally don't agree with Liverpool supporters but I would say this is how the majority in the North of Enland feel about her.