well done...

..so we oust Saddam, and his cronies, to free the Iraqi people, leaving Iraq wide open for all these nutters, actually being run by Saddams old army generals, we then oust Gaddafi..much the same.

Now we have all these people risking their lives in boats running away from their homes in Libya, or be slaughtered.

Well done bush and blair..I appalled you..who have you actually freed, except the evil ones.
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I suppose one has to question whether it's about freeing people, or whether that's a cover for another agender.

I'm sure a lot of people who go into the armed services and to war, firmly believe they're protecting the innocent. I can't criticise that as my mother said they were overjoyed when the Americans arrived at the end of WWII. Brave men indeed, to whom I owe a debt of gratitude for my existance.

But I do wonder how many are duped into risking life and limb. sigh
Ian, I thought I already wrote it is about destroying the local governments so the oil and other resources are free for exploit with only a few local warlords needing negotiation with afterwards. Are you disputing that?
There are alot of people that should be tried as war criminals
For starting that last war in Iraqi.. No matter where thay are from..
and they talk about the brutality of ISIS...they did it first in Iraq

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Yes...many of you have forgotten this...so anyone in any doubt why people have a dislike for the U.S. ?
Shocking !!
As was rather predictable they seem to have gone from the frying pan into the fire doh but would we feel better having left Saddam & Chemical Ali in control dunno be interesting to hear a local view on that dunno
Z,

If they left Iraq alone, I'm we don't have all these monstrosity going on around here in the Mid East right now...what's happening now is the product of all of Bush and his cronies' manipulation...sigh
It was an illegal war that should never hppened.

If the Iraqis wanted Saddam out , Thay should have been left alone to clean their house...
and they're talking about nuking another Muslim country as if they haven't done enough yet

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there are still many deaths that are unaccounted for...the number is still climbing
I should also say, war in general sickens me.
well done ian and crazy thanks for ur addition of facts...
In case you've forgotten how he looks like

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Those photos and video are not doctored...they happened and will continue to happen if we all let them...
crazy
Just remember that what a few ignorant men say...the rest of the country disagrees...it is all a show for the next election...fear based tactics...and some news programs broadcast what the Network wants...all propaganda...truth is I suspect we as citizens don't have the full story...sigh
crazy what happened to u....u r very right but ken is also telling right to not to burn ur blood being angry..lets down ur tone ..we want to see u in good mode..
Ken,

This subject is very emotional for me, I've seen the inhumanities in Iraq with my own eyes, I was there.

I live here and have an Arab Muslim kid, it hurts me so bad when I read posts campaigning against Muslims.

There are good and wonderful people here...War in Iraq affected all neighboring countries including Jordan, the influx of refugees here, more homeless people, more hunger, more death...I've seen them suffer. People here are suffering, economy went down, prices went up, people losing livelihoods...we all worry here what kind of future our children will have if this war keep going on and on...is more invasions and more wars is the answer ?

Can you blame people here if they disrespect foreigners here?
Lou,

they're putting up a show like that and when somebody blew up one of their tall buildings there again...they will pack all their weapons and invade what country next? I'm sure it must have plenty of oil too.
People do bad things to other people all the time. How do you expect them to behave differently when they are in a war situation.
crazy
The majority of people are reasonable...no one wants the killing to go on...lets hope the next President will be more effective...

From what I understand ISIL is losing ground and that the display of power seen on their video is just that a show...trying to save face...a good sign for all of us that ISIL can be stopped...
If you want a reason President Bush got away with it was simple. Many of the folks who knew the truth about Vietnam or who had the brains to read the Pentagon Papers (by D. Ellsberg and published by the NY Times (before it changed owners) had already begun to die off in 30 years time. A whole new generation of brain dead folks who were never taught and never experienced that history believed the hype and once Time Warner Entertainment )which owns CNN) and Fox agreed to take White House money to slant news stories in the name of Patriotism, many of the folks speaking out against the war were simply not given any airtime and only the agenda driven or the gullible were.

For what it is worth on another blog long, long ago and in a blog galaxy far, far away, I likened the going into Iraq to the Roman conquest of England and warned of creating a new Boudica if not very carefully done. Some people in power were not amused and I lost a nice contract for writing what I then believed (and obviously still do) was a truth.
CH, we working on the Russia. Give it a little time. First the Putin.. Meanwhile Russia working on the Canadian coast and says that oil should be theirs.. And the game goes on. Wheels within wheels. And hardly anyone speaks straight. The names and places may change from decade to decade, but the games are always the same and if you missed the previous games, well, you lose instantly.
Ken.

you keep writing the TRUTH, it can only educate and benefit many people. There will always be those narrow minded whom will never have the capability to see, hear and feel the truth but with the collective efforts of more people like you, the truth will always prevail
Lou,

their next president should be more concern of his own people first...i'm sure they have hungry people to feed there too, sick people that need medication, homeless that needs home, jobless who needs work...they should focus on solving those high crime rate in their country first...before they think of invading other countries again.
CH I believe I already post on one of Nam's blogs the one thing neither Parties candidates are really talking about are jobs or how to turn the world's economies around so it moves up instead of down.

LJ let us consider that ISIS is a criminal group and criminal groups accept money from anyone no matter how stupid it may prove to be long term. History (including Iraqs) shows that very few 20th century invasions happened without someone on the ground intentionally planting false evidence of things, or taking money to do stuff so it could be blamed on someone else. In today's world it is not unusual for someone thinking they follow orders for one cause, but actually those issuing the orders are sometimes financed by folks who have a totally different agenda those on the ground do not see. All good money launderers know what a 'cut out' is. So let me ask you, when Daesh first began, where did the first money come from? Descartes - Clockwork Universe. Wind up the little robots and set them free.
Did they find weapons of mass destruction there?

Did they have all the right info?

Did it justify the US massacre of Iraqis?
The problem with you media is they only printed and say what is good for American government and his allies...they never tell the truth, they duped their own people...so much for your high and advanced technology
crazy
Ken is right...no candidates yet are speaking about what you suggested...wait until they pick their candidates...an see what the American people deem as important...
Lou,


I've read some of them want the next one who's ready to nuke other countries...what a bunch of war-sickos!

they should work more on lowering their crime rates first...
I never condemn them, I stand with the sentiments of the pilot which was, if you read again and understand, causes worries.

Now if I condemn them, I would support for the nuking, but how many times have I said that I don't?

IF Ultimatum IS used, who'd benefit? No one, all will perish. Now that doesn't hurt the world to know what major front liners on politics would do, does it?

Or you keep insisting that I do?

Now, let's take events as they're happening, pay attention to what the major countries are doing, that should be where we focus so we're in the know. Only then our questions and fear are replaced with strength. At least that's how I feel.
crazy
It is all about putting fear in citizens...they are playing a political game...remember Obama...one of his opponents questioned his faith and being a legitimate American...now we are seeing the same game...questioning their loyalty in regards to their ability to have the guts to nuke a country...such hogwash...laugh
Considering, too, that no matter what you or I say if like one of this avid and walking encyclopedia is saying, war or staged terrorism happen then I rest my case. I just hope that these truly war monger politicians don't use nuking as a resort.
Ading it is not my intention to spread hate as it is prevalent in the world. If you account all these hostilities against one another I mean country per country, race against another, faith against another, I don't think, because I am instrumental in writing as I read them that I should be labeled as a hate spreader. I've never really touched on any of these until the repeated terrorism showed in Africa. That's the third big news I've come across with. So many were written before that, I kept my cool until the letter of the pilot.
I don't know how many places you've been into, but I as a US citizen and have lived here for 35 years, there's only two countries that I am choosing to live in other than my USA, that is Australia and Switzerland. But that's me. Every country has its own problem but when it comes to freedom, we have it all, rich or poor.

NOW Let me ask you, Facebook, Google, Pandora,
movies, wine capital, fruit and vegetables producers are here. Not to mention the supremacy of military and economic abilities, I wouldn't trade it for any place.
Now would you be able to talk in your country like this?
I don't know how many places you've been into, but I as a US citizen and have lived here for 35 years, there's only two countries that I am choosing to live in other than my USA, that is Australia and Switzerland. But that's me. Every country has its own problem but when it comes to freedom, we have it all, rich or poor.

NOW Let me ask you, Facebook, Google, Pandora,
movies, wine capital, fruit and vegetables producers are here. Not to mention the supremacy of military and economic abilities, I wouldn't trade it for any place.
Now would you be able to talk in your country like this?
I agree with you just AZ I have so many who wrote me joining in my sentiments, now again, this is not question of who is right or wrong., its a question as to which side you'e in. I stand with my country no matter who is the leader. I don't always like what these leaders are doing but that's the way it is. I DON'T promote war nor hatred, I want peace, whether you or those people believe it or not, doesn't matter. You should read the latest on the forum about Obama. And I didn't even join in.

I have hundreds of PM, supporting me and has copy pasted some in my other thread, but I know exactly who these people that are hostile to me and I am okay with that. I still demand the same like my pilot has stated. With this I will rest and say peace.
Manang,

if you're talking about your freedom of speech that so many are abusing and as a result free to print lies, I would rather have silence.

The world seems to have forgotten that civilization started here...Middle East go a long long way back before white people discover a land full of Aborigines, massacred them, took their land, make it theirs and call it America...then many people from different side of the world went there too, different skin colors and cultures...forgot where they came from and also called themselves "AMERICANS"

Now, who are the real Americans? Where are they?

Arabs stood their ground, protected and are continuing to protect their civilization, culture and traditions from Invaders like America. They will die for their honor. America sent his people to slaughter and be slaughtered for some oil...how shallow.

I always tell my kid to be proud of who he is...JORDANIAN-PALESTINIAN-FILIPINO, An Arab-Muslim and a Filipino by heart.
lind/crazy

It is time for a pause...no country is clean...no point in going back in time to prove how destructible or corrupt mankind is...we know it!!...time to move forward and forge a positive relationship between North America and the Middle East...

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Well, Bush , Powell and others involved should be hold accountable for Iraq...but they got away with it grinning and laughing even at their own people

Saddam was hanged to death while Bush is enjoying his old age
Well, Bush , Powell and others involved should be hold accountable for Iraq...but they got away with it grinning and laughing even at their own people

Saddam was hanged to death while Bush is enjoying his old age
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