I can't comment because she locked her blog
but I have worked in refugee camps and the videos of the guys stealing the food from the van, I have seen this before in other camps. The operative word is gangs.They take the food, horde it and give it out only to those who pay for it. They do the same thing for clothes and other stuff. They can be violent too. Any person going into a refugee camp has to recognize the camp is basically without laws. The strong rule. The weak beg on the sidelines.
In America how many remember the Hearst family food giveaways when Patty was captive? The same scenario. That was street gangs seizing an opportunity. Nothing more. Quite literally at the US refugee camps I have worked in each delivery truck came with a second truck full of MPs with big truncheons they used to keep the gangs off the food truck. Of course this was a wasted effort because the gangs would stay outside the circle and just steal the food from the women and children and weaker men when they exited the crowd. I have a friend who worked with OAS at the camps in Somalia and he told me the behavior is the same.
In any country where the government has collapsed or a civil war rages, one of the standard tactics of criminal gangs and rebels is to free all the prisoners in local jails (except for a select few they kill in the cells along with the guards) who then merge with the general population and later become refugees, if profit is seen in doing so. Except they arrive off the boat as an already organized gang mixed in with the innocent. If it is a civil war driving them, rest assured, mixed in with the women and occasional child you may find a whole company of fighters wearing refugee clothing but only pretending to be refugees. They will see to it that they eat first and that they are the ones who decide who else gets to eat. Such is the reality of life in refugee camps and shelters.
Don't look to the camp staff for help. They are usually terrified. At Ft. Chaffe, Indian Town Gap and Ft. Mcoy (3 I worked at) many of the staff lock themselves inside their little office with barricades on the door. Those who ventured out were often beaten and sometimes killed. I know of one case at Indiantown Gap where one of the camp workers had witnessed something. She had time for one panicked phone call before the gentle refugees ripped down the phone line on the building outside, smashed the door open and dragged her out. Many months went by before her dried out corpse was finally found in a barracks attic on the other side of the camp. Jimmy Carter's DOJ declared everything that happened in his Refugee camps to be Secret, but I saw it. Many of the refugees are not good people, although some are. The reality of life behind the barbed wire is not pretty in the least.
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The question I'd like to ask is, through how many safe countries can a refugee pass and still be considered a refugee?
I personally believe every Human being to be a refugee in some respect,
We only stop being such when we find happiness and contentment with security in heart and mind, Some are lucky enough to get there.
One thing is for sure one man's utopia cannot be imposed on another Individual.
Such an action would be the start of your own dystopia.
brainwashing is one solution
Just my opinion as usual
I knew one man who was first a Syrian, then he became a German, then he became a Canadian, then after coming here he was making noises about becoming an American next before someone realized he had been using a fake identity all along and was as evil as they came.
here they are...very bad on winter:
Might be interesting, as Putin sends big transport airplains with god nows what over there...
We can't fight nature...we accept and run from it as fast as we can
but politicians? geez, they're the real plagues and pain in the a**
Thanks for sharing, great stuff. I admitt it took me a while to get it - my mind tends to go blank when I see my name written by you.
Ken,
Thanks for all the intersting sharing. I never seize to be amazed about your life experiences and the speed of your typing!
There will never be peace here in the Middle East, as long as USA and other countries play god, the word peace will stay meaningless
I've been watching this on TV.!
This whole thing is a very sad case. The innocent people is mixed in with the people that do harm to others. And take away things that is to be shared with the innocent people there. It is a very sad situation! And I do hope that everyone will be safe and alright! And find housing soon for their families.
I have never been in this situation! But I and no one else, can say that we never will. Because one never know! Until it happens to them or to someone they know.
UN, NGOs and many countries helping the refugees here...they are handling the camps in a much much better way than those camps where you worked
Many Syrians are working here, long before the war...many refugees are also trying to get jobs here and there and not just relying from the help they receive... but mostly, yes they are bored, got nothing to do, no tv to watch, no radio to listen music to...just fidgeting and awaiting for that badly needed chance to start a new life.
I became friends with many of them, some women would knocked and ask for some sugar, tea, drinking water...a little of this and little of that...
They stayed beside me for almost a year then they were moved to another building....
I was meaning to ask this...
is that you in the picture, with hat and mustache?
But there are places where as many refugees, asylants shall be housed as people are living in the nearby village.
In Patrick Henry Village there have been showdowns with iron bars between groups of asylants, which needed massive police forces.
Housing is different. Some are lucky and will be picked up by relatives already living here, and even get money from somewhere.
On the other hand what Germany offers those asylants is too much, JMO, they get 143 Eur in the first weeks and then 359 Eur plus expenses for rent, water, etc. This is more money than many germans have.
So the future will show how it works out, I hope good more or less.
Wow Guadal
@Crazyh
@Ken
There is always someone who "takes in the flood" every time every where, unfortunately.
In time like this anyone can say they flew from WAR although the war was not actually in the country. Many have flown before to Turkey and Egypt because they could afford the travels and when they ran out of money they will claim that they are victims of WAR in order to get them legit reasons why they need to travel ahead to Europe.
What kind of human are you letting them to go to Europe which is far far away from their homes with a very little information about what they have to face on the way or what they will face in a country they imagined will fully welcome them but in fact not? Do you think it's human enough to "support" them to give their last money and belongings to other people who took advantages of their "situation" and provided them small boats and let them die on the sea after the ships got wrecked?
People like you could only protesting the way Hungarians or other European countries treated the refugees without you were checking the real truth whether they were not really helping or they were trying to organize the refugees before they caused more troubles and chaos.
"If someone hand me some food while he's wearing a mask and globe, I will rather die from hunger with my dignity intact than let others treat as if I have some contagious disease"
Good, I hope you will never be a refugee, because if you were so, I am sure your travel may only end up in Greece after dying of hunger. That's only when you are lucky enough to have your ship landed safely.
How many remember the aftermath of Desert Storm and the no fly zones and the US dumping tons of useless MREs to feed the Kurdish people? I say useless because a mainstay of the US MRE is pork and pork products. High in Gluten too.
In the Cuban Haitian crisis the camp meal solution was beans, rice and chicken. LoL 3x a day. 7 days a week with an option of fish at Friday dinner. Okay, eggs and rice with chicken for breakfast and rice crispies or corn flakes. As camp police working 12 - 16 hours a day 6 days a week, with an 8 hour shift on the 'off' day, we ate that stuff too. <One of our 'side' jobs was to search everyone leaving for stolen flat ware (they made sharp stabbing tools from) and food being smuggled out to feed those hiding from us, and also to make sure no fights occured.> I was overjoyed at Indiantown Gap to see hamburgers (beef) at lunches 2 or 3 times a week. All of us welcomed the rare opportunities to drive to town and hit Godfather's for pizza.
I don't think Keat understand what we are talking about here...she never lived in these kind of horrible camps , I doubt she even set foot in one for a visit...or she wouldn't be talking like this about refugees.
Refugees would be more than willing to accept things that we more fortunate ones would not accept....it's called survival.
and Kaet,
I think we've both got carried away, a little too far perhaps. I'm not really a mean person and I'm sure you have your reasons as I have mine for posting what we both have posted here. I do apologize for being a little tough and harsh here...have a good day/night there
Great food for thought me thinks and feels:
My second complaint about the Germans and Hungarians whining about this is the almost total absence of anti-refugee demonstrations. Where are the hordes of native born Germans besieging their Presidential offices? Where are the mobs helping the police battle the refugees? I see none. No mobs of wall to wall people clogging streets while carrying no-refugee signs. The most I see on television is a few dozen here or there and they seem to be more interested in burning trash cans than doing anything effective.
On the day we had the riots at Ft. Chaffee the first State Police on the scene went to the towns folk outside the base and asked the constable and the preacher to send some help. A few hours later dozens of local farmers and factory workers from Fort Smith had showed up with their shotguns and rifles on the roads surrounding the base and when the refugee rioters tried to flee the base the good people of the town joined the State police in shooting them down dead. A few dozen dead with another few dozen laying down bleeding out and the Cuban and Haitian refugees were much better behaved after that.
That tells me the bulk of the German or Hungarian folks simply don't care how the refugees behave in their country, or how many come, and only a vocal few do.
Thank you for taking your time to watch the clip and especially listing his points on here. He sure needs to work on his presentation no doubt about that.
Funny, his only point I didn't buy as well was that the Middle Eastern countries have contributed virtually nothing to science in the last 700 years. Since you're unable to prove his wrong I won't even try :)
Who invites people and then forces their neighbors to house and feed them?
Seriously, if you want a lot of them to make a you turn, just change the laws regarding the benefits and limit most benefits after October 1 to the natural born citizens of the country or those already receiving the benefits. That will very quickly inspire those seeking only economic gain but still not there to leave or pick another country with greater benefits.
Hello UK & Canada
But you guys have that option too.
I read your comment on another blog. It is the smartest way that those Syrian did to fly to Switzerland. I wonder why there were not many did this way like these 23 people did.
I felt sorry for Merkel. I thought she was under the pressures of her coalition colleagues to open the door for refugees and she is now under the pressure of her own colleagues in her own party to get the border closed temporarily as the reality was not becoming of what it had been expected or predicted.