Non Christians And Non Believers
The mind boggles that you can stand there and openly say "I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN OR NON BELIEVER" Yet you cant wait for Xmas
The atheists have diluted it to be a general holiday so they can feel good about participating. Christmas was designated as the day to celebrate the birth of Christ plain and simple. As I understand it, that particular day was chosen many years ago to coincide with the celebration of a Pagan holiday in order to hide from persecutors of Christians in countries that did not allow Christianity. If you do not believe in something, why would you celebrate it? If you want to celebrate love and family, then pick a different day and start a tradition. How about Thanksgiving? I also think it is funny that all the atheists voted yes. I and other Christians would never tell you to stop, but just realize that you are being hypocritical and diluting our holiday with a lesser meaning. You basically see everyone else having fun so you don't want to miss out. I have more respect for the nonbelievers that don't celebrate than the people who try to dilute the meaning for their own gain. Did you ever wonder why the people that celebrate it for its true meaning are happy? It is because they are saved. Do you also celebrate Jewish, Islamic, and other religious holidays?
If you're not Christian, its not Christmas The point of Christmas is literally to celebrate a religious event, the birth of Christ. If you fail to acknowledge the significance of this birth, why celebrate the holiday? It's not acceptable for non-jews to celebrate hanukkah, so why is this any more acceptable? It's disrespectful to the Christian religion.
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For Muslims, I think this poses less of a problem, since they do accept Jesus as a prophet while rejecting the belief in his divine nature.JMO
Nice blog! Makes lots of sense! There would be no Christmas if Christ had not been born! As a Christian, I celebrate Christ's birth! "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish; but have everlasting life! (John 3:16) Christian bible.
If a person is not Christian, they can pick whatever day they want to celebrate whomever or whatever they want!
Christmas has lost its true meaning with all of the commercialism!
Everyone have a nice day!
On the case of the other people (non Christians) and want to piggy back with our celebration, I think it is not for me to question them and make it all wrong.
I have maintained that if they respect our traditions and enjoy with us, it is acceptable. I have so many friends who are non Christian and go on and celebrate with us, doesn't hurt me. From the teaching of our Lord, he claimed to be good with all people, not Christians only. I believe he was hoping that eventually the goodness in the heart of the Christians, the world will see and good by themselves. I am not claiming we, the Christians are the only good ones, nor am I saying that other people with different religions are not good, including Atheist, not at all. But specific to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, he wants all people to be good. I don't think he ever mentioned us to be isolated as Christians ourselves, although from the teaching, "I am the way" pretty much sum up that He is the only way through God the Father.
I can feel Red's disdain but fora as long as they are sincerely celebrating with us or all to themselves, why not.
I don't feel disrespected.
You take care dear lady.. Merry Christmas.
I've just had a loud rant today to my mother about how much I hated this Xmas consumerism and the fact that even not one person in our family was believing in the bible had to use it as a reason (or excuse?) to get together. I suggested to have a monthly get together over a simple meal in rotating homes. Even though the whole family lives close by to each other I've not had any feedbacks.
Well, my heart and thoughts go out to sales personal. Never mind they believe in the Xmas story or not, they seem to be the most suffering right now.
I am laughing so joyfully while I am reading your post. It is as if you want them to either acknowledge that there is a reason for celebration and that is because of the real origin which is Christ or simply get out of it and treat it like any ordinary day of get together. The fact that you mentioned of them don't even read the bible, brings me to the conclusion that indeed they are distance from the traditional value of giving credit to the birth of Christ in order to celebrate.
But here is my question dear lady, in your level headedness, are they all happy and very good people that directs get together only on this occasion? Or they pretty much leave this date only as a good time to be together.
Thanks my dear.
I feel it's a cultural thing for non believers to celebrate Xmas. It's handed down from one generation to the next without people thinking or questioning anything or anybody about it.
I've just had a discussion with my son why the heck we had to have a Xmas tree. I'd have to take up with the spilling needles in the living room until after new year when the town would come around to collect it, or better what's left of it, while he wont do be the favour of going to Xmas mess in the local church. I've even left it up to him to pick one of the local churches.
I do believe in a god and I don't follow any organized religion. Guess that makes me a believer without a religion.
No doubt, I can suspend my disbelief for an evening and participate respectfully in an Xmas mess. After all, if I've to fiddle around with a tree taller than myself, a stupid stand and all the needles I may as well grasp some of the true meaning, history and foremost spirit behind it.
I do shake my head when talking to younger children, they all seem to know everything about Santa and nothing about the three kings. Strange times we live in indeed.
My folks are great and we get together a lot. Well, in summer time that is. We're all more the outdoor-barbecue kind of people and that's literally put on ice for a few months to come
So anybody who wants to can celebrate at this time of year,
I wasn't aware of such thing and it's not what was taught to us.
In any case according to our Catholic teaching it's a celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus.
I never came across such Z documents and would be so nice if you can provide. I will research and if that is a story that can be confirmed, I will stand corrected.
On the Santa, yes indeed because of the thrill on the gifts.
But traditionally the stories of the three Kings are carried on.
When they were trying to convert pagans to Christianity in the early years, it was easier to use the festive dates which were already being celebrated and adopt them, otherwise they wouldn't have had many converts.
If you check the New Testament, you will see that no date was ever given for the birth of Jesus. So it was easy to adopt to the traditional important festive dates like the Winter Solstice or the Roman Saturnalia,
But in its evolution as no one can exactly pin point the actual date of the Lord, it was officially adopted as a celebration of the birth of Christ of which we revere. Nothing relative to the Saturnalia, if that is what you mean.
That doesn't take away from the celebration of the Christian festivities such as Christmas.
I was simply answering the OPs question. This festivity pre-dated Christianity so anybody who wants can celebrate it.
It is unlikely that you insist just to malign our belief right?
Documents present that scholars and theologians studied and calculated to fit the day of our Lord's birth and so it is.
People generally celebrate their birthday which is a fact on their actual date. It would have been so nice if they had a calendar like we do now, so His birthday us not associated to take over date that is slated for pagans date.
I grew up a Catholic and I made a choice for myself. Perhaps you could practice a little bit of respect for non believers, yourself. Each to their own
You said you celebrate because it's a pagan traditions and certainly not the birth of Christ, who is disrespectful here? Can you explain? You claim as a born Catholic, it's so wrong for you to tell Christian what you just said. We adopted it and accepted to commemorate as our Lord's birth date, and you said that?
You're the disrespectful one unlaoised.
but what does it matter who celebrates it once its in cheer and good will.
the lord is a peoples God so i'm sure he wouldn't object...
so why should we..
The decision to celebrate Christmas on December 25 was made sometime during the fourth century by church bishops in Rome. They had a specific reason for doing so.
Having turned long ago from worshiping the one true God and creator of all things, many early cultures in the Roman empire had fallen into sun worship. Recognizing their dependence on the sun's yearly course in the heavens, they held feasts around the winter solstice in December when the days are shortest. As part of their festivals, they built bonfires to give the sun god strength and bring him back to life again. When it became apparent that the days were growing longer, there would be great rejoicing.
The church leaders in Rome decided to celebrate Christ's birth during the winter solstice in an attempt to Christianize these popular pagan celebrations. For the most part their efforts failed to make the people conform, and the heathen festivities continued. Today we find ourselves left with a bizarre marriage of pagan and Christian elements that characterizes our modern celebration of Christmas.
Regardless of the pagan background of so many December traditions, and whether or not Jesus was born on December 25th, our goal is still to turn the eyes of all men upon the true Creator and Christ of Christmas. The light of the world has come. And the Christmas season and celebration presents the church with a wonderful opportunity to preach the good news--that men can be made righteous and have peace with God through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ.
Generally it's not worth arguing with an a--hole. Insofar as it is possible, you really need to get people like that out of your life, or at least put them in a constrained box that doesn't require relying on their better nature. If you can't, you need to put them in a very bounded box, knowing that they will try, repeatedly, to get out, which means you can never let your guard down. Never, ever forget that the times they touch base with reality are temporary and happenstance.
A lot of the psychic payoff for that kind of person comes from always being right and many of them enjoy status, too, which affords the opportunity to always be "right"
odd little woman you are
Unlike Unlaoised who does not respect, regardless of the date, she will find a way to turn around and slap it in my face that it is not the birth date of our Lord.
Yes what can I say the opposite of strange being definitely out of the ordinary.Which makes me say it as it should be no fancy words.
Odd little woman
Dec 25th has always been celebrated as the birth of Christ since I was a kid and that will never change. as long as we celebrate it for the right reason, I love Christmas.
when i give you a reasonable reply, you still ignore...
yet when i say something alittle off mark, you respond..just as you have done now.....
well" that i find rather odd
Like i said, what a strange little woman you are
but so underserving to preach about God
But...
I wish you the best for yore Holliday Candy!