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Sep 21, 2009 9:37 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
leonjs48
leonjs48leonjs48michigan, Michigan USA1 Threads 299 Posts
Godsgift: OK, I'll lay my cards on the table. I watched a tv program recently about the relatives of those who died on 911. It was one of only two times I felt sympathy because it was the story of real people, people like me and my family. I met members of New York Fire Department in Cobh in County Cork and on speaking to them, my heart went out to them.

Like I said, these were real people and I would have to be dead not to feel sympathy be aware of the absolute tragedy.

But I have to extend that to the innocents of the middle east too regardless of their country. If you've seen your family die in an air raid, then there's a chance one day you'll be bombing the London tube system or Glasgow Airport.

My problems arise when either the political left or the political right use this to stir hatered and justify their own aspirations espescially when those aspirations are in the direction of world domination. This is burning down the Reichstag all over again but on a global scale with the force of mass media behind it.

I'm sorry but I don't trust the politicians of this world and the more I hear the less I trust them.

I used to know who were the good guys and who the bad guys were. Well, now I don't and I see people following blindly one side or the other without thinking. America has the right to exist. So does Israel, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, China and all the rest.

I pick up Americans in my taxi and I get asked, 'Are there any muslims in Ireland.' Should we be building gas chambers or something? I pull up in my taxi outside one of the local pubs to await a customer and some American voice shouts about this spoilng the scenery for them as if I would use a horse and cart just to fit in with their expectations.

If I came to the US and told you how to run your affairs, you'd be pissed and rightly so. People like me get pissed when I feel that not only is America aiming to contol the world but that they think I should be only too grateful for this too.

And that can extend to this site. There seems to be a CS site for every US state but repeatedly, this particular forum is regarded as the All American Forum and not what it is, The International one.

Look yourself at the posts.....nothing political about anywhere else other than the US or her interests.
i agree with what you are saying and many americans do as well, those very examples you state, from your taxi, those very people are a**hole when here as well and i dislike them as i have to deal with their like, daily, but a asure you most arent like that, we thry to get thru our lives, i also agree about the inocents that are killed in war and feel for their families as well, most americans that travel abroad maybe of better means finantialy and feel like they are entitled to be jerks, those same people are jerks here as well, i must sa that not all who travel abroad are this way, a jerk is a jerk, and there are plenty to go around of all cultures, i just want to live my life as i see it and most that i know do as well, don't lump all americans together, there are many diferent voices here, and alot of good decent people as i'm sure there are in your country.handshake
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Sep 21, 2009 9:40 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
leonjs48: i agree with what you are saying and many americans do as well, those very examples you state, from your taxi, those very people are a**hole when here as well and i dislike them as i have to deal with their like, daily, but a asure you most arent like that, we thry to get thru our lives, i also agree about the inocents that are killed in war and feel for their families as well, most americans that travel abroad maybe of better means finantialy and feel like they are entitled to be jerks, those same people are jerks here as well, i must sa that not all who travel abroad are this way, a jerk is a jerk, and there are plenty to go around of all cultures, i just want to live my life as i see it and most that i know do as well, don't lump all americans together, there are many diferent voices here, and alot of good decent people as i'm sure there are in your country.


My apologies to you and your countrymen. Sometimes I watch FOX news and it scares me that you all might buy into that stuff.And this is the only place where the little guys like myself have a say.head banger
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Sep 21, 2009 9:44 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
lonelycowboy101
lonelycowboy101lonelycowboy101Caro, Michigan USA9 Threads 6 Polls 441 Posts
If I say what I know I will get a lot of people offended up here. All the jobs were taken out of this country on purpose. Then All the corruption and division in this country is being controled when people no longer trust there government it will fail, We are being brought down by the world banks. Next if you listen to the Unites nations the Dollar should no longer be the world currency but a (one world currency) should be introduced, This has even angered the Chineese . Now how do you get the people to follow you if there country is down in depression and they can't eat they will beg for a world government that will feed them .
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Sep 21, 2009 9:45 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Brewer
BrewerBrewerJacksonville, Florida USA1 Threads 73 Posts
As far as your standard of living, europe comes no where near. It is interesting to note the ones that come closest are closer to our system of lower taxes and regulation.





"But a rising tide still lifts all boats, and U.S. GDP per capita was a whopping 32% higher than the EU average in 2000, and the gap hasn't closed since. It is so wide that if the U.S. economy had frozen in place at 2000 levels while Europe grew, the Continent would still require years to catch up. Ireland, which has lower tax burdens and fewer regulations than the rest of the EU, would be the first but only by 2005. Switzerland, not a member of the EU, and Britain would get there by 2010. But Germany and Spain would need until 2015, while Italy, Sweden and Portugal would have to wait until 2022.

Higher GDP per capita allows the average American to spend about $9,700 more on consumption every year than the average European. So Yanks have by far more cars, TVs, computers and other modern goods. "Most Americans have a standard of living which the majority of Europeans will never come anywhere near," the Swedish study says.

But what about equality? Well, the percentage of Americans living below the poverty line has dropped to 12% from 22% since 1959. In 1999, 25% of American households were considered "low income," meaning they had an annual income of less than $25,000. If Sweden--the very model of a modern welfare state--were judged by the same standard, about 40% of its households would be considered low-income.

In other words poverty is relative, and in the U.S. a large 45.9% of the "poor" own their homes, 72.8% have a car and almost 77% have air conditioning, which remains a luxury in most of Western Europe. The average living space for poor American households is 1,200 square feet. In Europe, the average space for all households, not just the poor, is 1,000 square feet.

So what is Europe's problem? "The expansion of the public sector into overripe welfare states in large parts of Europe is and remains the best guess as to why our continent cannot measure up to our neighbor in the west," the authors write. In 1999, average EU tax revenues were more than 40% of GDP, and in some countries above 50%, compared with less than 30% for most of the U.S.

We don't report this with any nationalist glee. The world needs a prosperous, growing Europe, and its relative economic decline is one reason for growing EU-American tension. A poorer Europe lacks the wealth to invest in defense, a fact that in turn affects the willingness of Europeans to join America in confronting global security threats. But at least all of this is a warning to U.S. politicians who want this country to go down the same welfare-state road to decline. "
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Sep 21, 2009 9:51 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
leonjs48
leonjs48leonjs48michigan, Michigan USA1 Threads 299 Posts
Godsgift: My apologies to you and your countrymen. Sometimes I watch FOX news and it scares me that you all might buy into that stuff.And this is the only place where the little guys like myself have a say.
thanks, as for politicians, i don't trust most of what they say either, and most people that i know take what they see on these news shows with a grain of salt, people yelling about this or that, its all a person can do to get decent work and have safe healthy lives, let alone worry too much what these political groupies are going on about, they get paid to get folks all lathered up, whats good for ratings is good for their profit. meanwhile the rest of us just go about our business, because thats all we can do. handshake cheers
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Sep 21, 2009 10:06 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Brewer
BrewerBrewerJacksonville, Florida USA1 Threads 73 Posts
Godsgift: My apologies to you and your countrymen. Sometimes I watch FOX news and it scares me that you all might buy into that stuff.And this is the only place where the little guys like myself have a say.


What things on fox scare you? What particular policy do you see advocated that is "scary". I kind of like fox because while I think they have more commentators that are to the right, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, HNN, etc. are all universally left wing. I see a socialist/fascist or their views on fox far more often than I see a conservative/libertarian or their views on any of the above.

Every single paper and television news is biased toward the globalist/socialist/fascist point of view. Yet one single news channel along with some AM radio shows get painted as some terrible example of bias.

The g/f/s crowd should be careful, they might shut down talk radio with the fairness doctrine but might end up having to air michael savage after kieth olbermann..lol..
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Sep 21, 2009 10:24 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
Brewer: What things on fox scare you? What particular policy do you see advocated that is "scary". I kind of like fox because while I think they have more commentators that are to the right, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, HNN, etc. are all universally left wing. I see a socialist/fascist or their views on fox far more often than I see a conservative/libertarian or their views on any of the above.

Every single paper and television news is biased toward the globalist/socialist/fascist point of view. Yet one single news channel along with some AM radio shows get painted as some terrible example of bias.

The g/f/s crowd should be careful, they might shut down talk radio with the fairness doctrine but might end up having to air michael savage after kieth olbermann..lol..


OK, now remember that in Ireland and The UK that all channels carry much the same stories and claim to be impartial though I suspect that's getting harder as the world gets smaller. My problems with FOX are simply that they seemed to follow the GW Bush line and in my view, it was a dangerous line to follow. I feel the days of empire building are over and I expect that you take the opposite view from me and God knows there are enough political posts on here.

My guess is that life will get more and more complex from here on in. We are in a situation where the politics of one country directly affects another.

My feeling from FOX and GW is that the best and easiest plan is just to bulldoze our opponents out of the way. That leaves the west open to the kind of guerella warfare we are seeing that our oh so high tech weapons are not designed for and I just see that going on for generations ad infinitum.That is why I fear this doctrine. If one lunatic appears on either side, then we're all dead. It's a war that can't be won.

Now, my own view which you would describe as left wing and I would describe as realistic is that we really need to start talking to these people and find some kind of compromise. And it won't be a one off occaision and then resolved. There will continue to be problems and we'll have to continue to talk.

A hard task either way when we seem to have trouble even talking amongst ourselves.
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Sep 21, 2009 10:27 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
petalbabe
petalbabepetalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland61 Threads 1 Polls 3,101 Posts
Godsgift: Why, because I question your arrogance?


What is arrogant about having your country's flag on your desk at work? What is arrogant about being proud of your country?dunno

If you want to talk about YOUR perception of "arrogance", look around your homeland in Ireland. Almost EVERY other house is painted in the tri-color, almost every house window/car window sports either an Irish Tricolor or the relevant County flag. "Irish Pride" is lengendary, dont you agree?? I have always considered that a good and admirable thing to see - people being proud of their country/county as so many Irish people are..

What difference is there between what the Irish do, and what Snuggs mentioned in her post?confused
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Sep 21, 2009 10:30 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
petalbabe: What is arrogant about having your country's flag on your desk at work? What is arrogant about being proud of your country?

If you want to talk about YOUR perception of "arrogance", look around your homeland in Ireland. Almost EVERY other house is painted in the tri-color, almost every house window/car window sports either an Irish Tricolor or the relevant County flag. "Irish Pride" is lengendary, dont you agree?? I have always considered that a good and admirable thing to see - people being proud of their country/county as so many Irish people are..

What difference is there between what the Irish do, and what Snuggs mentioned in her post?


Firstly, I'm neither Irish or Catholic. Secondly, and the other posts covered this, the arrogance is the assumption that this is an American forum as opposed to an international one.
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Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Godsgift: Firstly, I'm neither Irish or Catholic. Secondly, and the other posts covered this, the arrogance is the assumption that this is an American forum as opposed to an international one.
So your general idea is for Americans to stay the Hell out of the International Forum?confused
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Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
petalbabe
petalbabepetalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland61 Threads 1 Polls 3,101 Posts
Godsgift: Firstly, I'm neither Irish or Catholic. Secondly, and the other posts covered this, the arrogance is the assumption that this is an American forum as opposed to an international one.


Ok, fine, you are not Irish. Secondly, your religion was never mentioned in my post.

Fine, whatever nationality you are, the point remains the same as regards the way the Irish display flags, etc, so as regards to Snugg's post, there is no difference.

You may think that some posts convey "arrogance" - that is your preogative. I dont wish to get into that. You posted directly to Snugg's post regarding her having a flag on her desk, and a US numberplate - that is why I replied to you on that particular point.

Lastly, if you take the time to read back on Snugg's subsequent post, you will see that she misread the title of the thread, and apologised for that. So, sue her for being human!
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Sep 21, 2009 10:42 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
petalbabe: Ok, fine, you are not Irish. Secondly, your religion was never mentioned in my post.

Fine, whatever nationality you are, the point remains the same as regards the way the Irish display flags, etc, so as regards to Snugg's post, there is no difference.

You may think that some posts convey "arrogance" - that is your preogative. I dont wish to get into that. You posted directly to Snugg's post regarding her having a flag on her desk, and a US numberplate - that is why I replied to you on that particular point.

Lastly, if you take the time to read back on Snugg's subsequent post, you will see that she misread the title of the thread, and apologised for that. So, sue her for being human!


Not at all. She can paint her house red white and blue. None of my business. My first post referred to why would she be surprised that she (an American) should be asked the question posed by the OP. That's when I pointed out that this is an INTERNATIONAL forum...not an American one so the question was valid. That's when she took the huff and made a personal attack because I had questioned her, and that is what I found arrogant.

You should really read what I have actually said before you reply.
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Sep 21, 2009 10:48 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
petalbabe
petalbabepetalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland61 Threads 1 Polls 3,101 Posts
Godsgift: Not at all. She can paint her house red white and blue. None of my business. My first post referred to why would she be surprised that she (an American) should be asked the question posed by the OP. That's when I pointed out that this is an INTERNATIONAL forum...not an American one so the question was valid. That's when she took the huff and made a personal attack because I had questioned her, and that is what I found arrogant.

You should really read what I have actually said before you reply.


I did read the posts, Godsgift. Both yours and Snugg's. Thats why I said that she realised she had made a mistake in reading the thread title, and later apologised for it. Why is that so hard to accept?

And, then you say "its none of your business"..

confused

Well, you seem pretty darn interested from what I can see..dunno

I think you are using Snugg's innocent mistake as just another excuse to put a boot in, to be honest..
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Sep 21, 2009 10:52 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
leonjs48
leonjs48leonjs48michigan, Michigan USA1 Threads 299 Posts
petalbabe: I did read the posts, Godsgift. Both yours and Snugg's. Thats why I said that she realised she had made a mistake in reading the thread title, and later apologised for it. Why is that so hard to accept?

And, then you say "its none of your business"..



Well, you seem pretty darn interested from what I can see..

I think you are using Snugg's innocent mistake as just another excuse to put a boot in, to be honest..
i would also say that the united states is part of the international community, so therefor snuggs was well within her rights.
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Sep 21, 2009 10:53 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
petalbabe
petalbabepetalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland61 Threads 1 Polls 3,101 Posts
leonjs48: i would also say that the united states is part of the international community, so therefor snuggs was well within her rights.


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Sep 21, 2009 10:55 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
petalbabe
petalbabepetalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland61 Threads 1 Polls 3,101 Posts
leonjs48: i would also say that the united states is part of the international community, so therefor snuggs was well within her rights.


Further, if I saw a thread entitled "Irish People" - Lets have some feedback from everyone, I think that I too would probably rush in and post; of course I would! Anything that pertains in any way to one's own country is going to be of interest, I would have thought..



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Sep 21, 2009 10:57 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
petalbabe: I did read the posts, Godsgift. Both yours and Snugg's. Thats why I said that she realised she had made a mistake in reading the thread title, and later apologised for it. Why is that so hard to accept?

And, then you say "its none of your business"..



Well, you seem pretty darn interested from what I can see..

I think you are using Snugg's innocent mistake as just another excuse to put a boot in, to be honest..


Oh no. I over reacted and apologised as the threads wen't on. But I still have a right to question people who post.And like everyone else, cerain things put my back up and the fact that the International forum is bogged down with US issues, is one of them. People get complacent and tug the party line so sometimes a wee shake of the tree is the way to go.

Incidentally, the whole thread I think was designed to stick the boot in so I'm not alone on here.You can be firey enough yourself!
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Sep 21, 2009 11:00 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
petalbabe
petalbabepetalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland61 Threads 1 Polls 3,101 Posts
Godsgift: Oh no. I over reacted and apologised as the threads wen't on. But I still have a right to question people who post.And like everyone else, cerain things put my back up and the fact that the International forum is bogged down with US issues, is one of them. People get complacent and tug the party line so sometimes a wee shake of the tree is the way to go.

Incidentally, the whole thread I think was designed to stick the boot in so I'm not alone on here.You can be firey enough yourself!


Hurray! We agree! handshake laugh wave

Yep, it gets tedious, for all concerned actually - it would be nice to see less threads pertaining to the States, for sure. Apart from some of the Obama threads, however, alot of these threads are started by non-Americans!laugh

Yep, I agree with you, Godsgift; a little more variety on here would be good.

Hope you are well..and yes, I guess I do get fiery - thats good, I think!grin handshake
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Sep 21, 2009 11:00 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
Saxonnumber!...Good job! It's kinda like any thread with opinions. Some stupidity, some intelligence, some that don't have a clue, and always ends up away from the subject. It just shows people are pretty much the same no matter where they live. LMAO rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 21, 2009 11:04 AM CST "Americans" Lets have some feedback from eveyone!
PassionatePoet: Saxonnumber!...Good job! It's kinda like any thread with opinions. Some stupidity, some intelligence, some that don't have a clue, and always ends up away from the subject. It just shows people are pretty much the same no matter where they live. LMAO
Yep,he did such a good Job,he bounced himself!rolling on the floor laughing
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