Christians....Do you understand this? (359)
seveneyes: Your point is well taken by me, yet we ARE all human and make mistakes. The non-believers in here get pretty harsh on a regular basis. It can be hard at times to keep from wanting to retaliate. I cant blame anyone else but myself when I allow myself to act harshly on the indignation that I feel.
One other thing. The tree and its fruits. Everyone at times displays some bad fruits. I find that that scripture is pointing to something besides mistakes that we make daily.
One other thing. The tree and its fruits. Everyone at times displays some bad fruits. I find that that scripture is pointing to something besides mistakes that we make daily.
That's the thing. Christians aren't allowed to be human and get mad. It's not Christian.
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RayfromUSA: Where's the line?
Nice guitar. What is it? I love Fenders Myself.
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It will take christains another 5000 yrs to understand what isn't even provable. It's like the muslims who spend days and days, weeks and weeks, months and months, years and years in study of something they can never grasp because their minds are not only stuck on external separatist theology and don't see the archetypal and metaphorical nature of the works. 
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seveneyes: Thanx for adding some scripture to this post. Man, how beautifull are the feet of the Lord?! Such precious words.... It is glorious!
You're welcome, but please keep in mind that I look at Scripture from a philosophical perspective. "Turn the other cheek" is very similar to Lao Tzu's "I treat those who are good with goodness,
and I also treat those who are not good with goodness, thus goodness is attained."
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Aramis734: You're welcome, but please keep in mind that I look at Scripture from a philosophical perspective. "Turn the other cheek" is very similar to Lao Tzu's "I treat those who are good with goodness,
and I also treat those who are not good with goodness, thus goodness is attained."
Eventually you'll run out of Cheeks,though!and I also treat those who are not good with goodness, thus goodness is attained."
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Conrad73: Eventually you'll run out of Cheeks,though!
True, but even the Catholic Church acknowledges that violence is sometimes necessary. And Christ himself could get angry as well--case in point, the money changers in the temple.
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I do not understand this. A day is a day, and a thousand years is a thousand.....years. If the one were the other, I'd have to wait forever for supper.
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Aramis734: True, but even the Catholic Church acknowledges that violence is sometimes necessary. And Christ himself could get angry as well--case in point, the money changers in the temple.
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Odysseus101: I do not understand this. A day is a day, and a thousand years is a thousand.....years. If the one were the other, I'd have to wait forever for supper.
It's actually fairly easy to understand if you look at it from a Christian perspective. God is eternal and timeless, He exists outside time, so he does not view time as we do. A day, a year, an eon--to God, it is all the same.
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I don't see God as a deity, I see "Him" as the cosmos, the eternal existence of the universe. There is no judgement, control, damnation or destiny involved, it simply "is". Sin, crime, death, the killing of babies, there is no concious management behind this, It simply "is". The universe is in a slow entropic state of evolution, and life and death is part of it, like bookends on a shelf. I don't have a problem with it.
Now what's for supper?
Now what's for supper?
Aramis734: It's actually fairly easy to understand if you look at it from a Christian perspective. God is eternal and timeless, He exists outside time, so he does not view time as we do. A day, a year, an eon--to God, it is all the same.
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Odysseus101: I don't see God as a deity, I see "Him" as the cosmos, the eternal existence of the universe. There is no judgement, control, damnation or destiny involved, it simply "is". Sin, crime, death, the killing of babies, there is no concious management behind this, It simply "is". The universe is in a slow entropic state of evolution, and life and death is part of it, like bookends on a shelf. I don't have a problem with it.
Now what's for supper?
Now what's for supper?
Pizza. I am on a budget.
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Ok, I hope Quattro Stagioni is ok with you. It's on it's way. And don't blame me if by a random act of God, it doesn't get there. 
Aramis734: Pizza. I am on a budget.
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RillyNiceGuy: God is making a short work of seven thousand years. Each thousand years is as a day and a day is as a thousand years. From Adam until the end of the thousand year rein of Christ is a week of days. (one thousand years each.) When the term latter days and end of days is used it means the latter days of that prophetic week....not the end of all 24 hour days as some think is the end of the world. If one knows this, one can see the time of the death of Christ was in its proper day of that week the same as that of the pascal lamb of Passover and from that time....we are now ending the latter day before the coming of the Sabbath rest of Christs rein. We are at the end of a day and most of us will see or our children will see the return of Christ. Those of his shall enter into his rest....the seventh day as was always and not the first.(Sunday) Much more is understood from the knowing that a day is as a thousand years of that week of days. Count the days to the return of Christ. if you do not know when Christ paid our debt.....look at passover and the Pascal lamb....which he was for us.....the lamb of God.
I hope this opens understanding for those called.
I hope this opens understanding for those called.
I'm haven't got time/patience to read 10 to 20 something pages so forgive me if I'm repeating anything.
It is of course a well known idea that the World will be 7 ages/"dispensations" (7 milleniums/7,000yrs) from creation (Genesis) to Armagedon/end times/last days (Revelation), based on the seven days as symbolic analogy.
Shakespeare - 7 ages of man;
Augustine - 7 ages/days creation;
Steiner - 7 stages;
Swedenborg - 7 stages/steps
ONA - aeons;
Theosophical - 7 root races;
Judaeo-Xtian - 7 dispensations based on the 7 days of creation;
India - 7 (or 14) Manus;
Israel (Rev 12, 13, 17) - 7 heads beast;
Iran 7 tree;
Mongol 7 suns;
Irish - (5 or 6 or) 7 waves invaders;
Egypt (Manetho) - 7 gods?
(Jewish - 7 world weeks past.)
Anyway what I am really replying about is your comment that "the time of the death of Christ was in its proper day of that week...." There is a debate that JC didn't "die on Fri, buried Sat/Sabbath and rose Sun/8thday" but that he "died Wed, buried 3 days and rose Sunday". In Daniel it says the Messiah will be cut off in the middle of the week. This could mean literal week (in which case maybe Wed [which Germans call "mid week"]) &/or week of 7 yrs (Jesus 3&a1/2yrs ministry). Now in relation to your comment I'm wondering if it also applies to the week of 7000 yrs, and in that case would it be "Fri(-Sun)" or "Wed(-Sun)"...?
Sun - anno mundi 0/1-1000
Mon - am 1000-2000
Tue - am 2000-3000
Wed - am 3000-4000
Thu - am 4000-5000
Fri - am 5000-6000
Sat - am 6000-7000
Creation/Adam ("5.../4004/3761bc")
1656yrs
Noah
290/350/360/420yrs
Abe
215yrs
(Joseph )
430/"215yrs"
Moses
480yrs
(David/Solomon )
490yr (70x7yrs)
490yrs (70x7yrs)
Jesus 0/1/4/7bc
2000+yrs
2ndComing
1000yrs (Millenium) <"7thday/Saturday/Sabbath">
new heaven/earth/jerusalem <8thday>
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Odysseus101: I do not understand this. A day is a day, and a thousand years is a thousand.....years. If the one were the other, I'd have to wait forever for supper.
Words are not always literal or one meaning. Day in bible can sometimes mean a year, a thousand years, or etc. The Hebrew word is yom(e) which can mean a period of time. Eg the 70yrs captivity of Jews in Babylon is called yome of captivity.
The ancient Egyptians called months "years".
macrocosm - microcosm
1day - 1000yrs.
[I won't be posting here again because I've just found I'm once again being persecuted by anxiety-causing NZ govt job seek adverts which follow me around on over half the sites I (used to/no longer) visit.]
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SeanLonely: I'm haven't got time/patience to read 10 to 20 something pages so forgive me if I'm repeating anything.
It is of course a well known idea that the World will be 7 ages/"dispensations" (7 milleniums/7,000yrs) from creation (Genesis) to Armagedon/end times/last days (Revelation), based on the seven days as symbolic analogy.
Shakespeare - 7 ages of man;
Augustine - 7 ages/days creation;
Steiner - 7 stages;
Swedenborg - 7 stages/steps
ONA - aeons;
Theosophical - 7 root races;
Judaeo-Xtian - 7 dispensations based on the 7 days of creation;
India - 7 (or 14) Manus;
Israel (Rev 12, 13, 17) - 7 heads beast;
Iran 7 tree;
Mongol 7 suns;
Irish - (5 or 6 or) 7 waves invaders;
Egypt (Manetho) - 7 gods?
(Jewish - 7 world weeks past.)
Anyway what I am really replying about is your comment that "the time of the death of Christ was in its proper day of that week...." There is a debate that JC didn't "die on Fri, buried Sat/Sabbath and rose Sun/8thday" but that he "died Wed, buried 3 days and rose Sunday". In Daniel it says the Messiah will be cut off in the middle of the week. This could mean literal week (in which case maybe Wed [which Germans call "mid week"]) &/or week of 7 yrs (Jesus 3&a1/2yrs ministry). Now in relation to your comment I'm wondering if it also applies to the week of 7000 yrs, and in that case would it be "Fri(-Sun)" or "Wed(-Sun)"...?
Sun - anno mundi 0/1-1000
Mon - am 1000-2000
Tue - am 2000-3000
Wed - am 3000-4000
Thu - am 4000-5000
Fri - am 5000-6000
Sat - am 6000-7000
Creation/Adam ("5.../4004/3761bc")
1656yrs
Noah
290/350/360/420yrs
Abe
215yrs
(Joseph )
430/"215yrs"
Moses
480yrs
(David/Solomon )
490yr (70x7yrs)
490yrs (70x7yrs)
Jesus 0/1/4/7bc
2000+yrs
2ndComing
1000yrs (Millenium) <"7thday/Saturday/Sabbath">
new heaven/earth/jerusalem <8thday>
What a Nice Mess you have gotten yourself into!It is of course a well known idea that the World will be 7 ages/"dispensations" (7 milleniums/7,000yrs) from creation (Genesis) to Armagedon/end times/last days (Revelation), based on the seven days as symbolic analogy.
Shakespeare - 7 ages of man;
Augustine - 7 ages/days creation;
Steiner - 7 stages;
Swedenborg - 7 stages/steps
ONA - aeons;
Theosophical - 7 root races;
Judaeo-Xtian - 7 dispensations based on the 7 days of creation;
India - 7 (or 14) Manus;
Israel (Rev 12, 13, 17) - 7 heads beast;
Iran 7 tree;
Mongol 7 suns;
Irish - (5 or 6 or) 7 waves invaders;
Egypt (Manetho) - 7 gods?
(Jewish - 7 world weeks past.)
Anyway what I am really replying about is your comment that "the time of the death of Christ was in its proper day of that week...." There is a debate that JC didn't "die on Fri, buried Sat/Sabbath and rose Sun/8thday" but that he "died Wed, buried 3 days and rose Sunday". In Daniel it says the Messiah will be cut off in the middle of the week. This could mean literal week (in which case maybe Wed [which Germans call "mid week"]) &/or week of 7 yrs (Jesus 3&a1/2yrs ministry). Now in relation to your comment I'm wondering if it also applies to the week of 7000 yrs, and in that case would it be "Fri(-Sun)" or "Wed(-Sun)"...?
Sun - anno mundi 0/1-1000
Mon - am 1000-2000
Tue - am 2000-3000
Wed - am 3000-4000
Thu - am 4000-5000
Fri - am 5000-6000
Sat - am 6000-7000
Creation/Adam ("5.../4004/3761bc")
1656yrs
Noah
290/350/360/420yrs
Abe
215yrs
(Joseph )
430/"215yrs"
Moses
480yrs
(David/Solomon )
490yr (70x7yrs)
490yrs (70x7yrs)
Jesus 0/1/4/7bc
2000+yrs
2ndComing
1000yrs (Millenium) <"7thday/Saturday/Sabbath">
new heaven/earth/jerusalem <8thday>
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Conrad73: What a Nice Mess you have gotten yourself into!
Christ was hurried to burial because the Sabbath was approaching. Some believe this was the weekly Sabbath....therefore they placed his burial at Friday afternoon before the evening and the day of the Sabbath (Saturday not Sunday). This never would allow for three days and three nights for Christ to be in the heart of the Earth.....therefore making false the notion.
In error they do not understand that a high Sabbath was at hand. Wedsday afternoon Christ was hurried to burial before the hign Sabbath came that night and day. From Wedsday afternoon there are three evening and three days.....and Christ rose the Sabbath (Saturday afternoon) Long before The dawning of the fist day (Sunday). There is no command by God to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday....The Catholic church say in thier records that it was done to show their power and authority.
If you will look you will find that Christ was buried in the Wedsday afternoon of both weeks (normal and prophetic)
Being 2000 years or so from his death....we are now in the day/afternoon of Friday and The day of the Lord is close...very close!!!!
The notion of the eight day is in error. But the world tommorow is not. There will be a new Heaven/Earth/Jerusalem on Earth with God living among mankind.
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In response to: In the Bible is a statement that a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. I find most Christains do not understand the meaning and its importance. Do you?
it is a statement that says TO GOD a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day you left out part of the verse rilly
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Dawn7z: it is a statement that says TO GOD a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day you left out part of the verse rilly
Since this was written for Christians....I assumed that each knew it or knew where to find it. I was not quoting but making mention of the subject for the giving of knowing its meaning. I would expect each to study and come to their own conculsion.
My statement still gives the information I intended to share.
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Dawn7z: it is a statement that says TO GOD a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day you left out part of the verse rilly
GJ hotty Dawn, but it actually says a day IS AS a thousand yeare etc... I{ find that the IS AS is extrememly important in understanding that the writer is not actually saying that a thousand years IS a day and vice versa. In the bibles that show the exact translation form the greek you see the same principals involved.
BTW Dawn, you are just my type... meh. (Hotty!)
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I have found something truely amazing in some anchent writings called the book of Adam and Eve
and the cave of treasures.
The cave of treasures is the cave that adam and Eve were forced to live in after being expelled from edon.
These books give a complete account of all the happenings from creation right up to Christ and I think you should see this.
For instance Adam and Eve had very hard time adapting to life outside the garden and even tried to kill them selves and God had to send a angel to drag them out of the water and revive them.
And later God gave them some of his own flesh to eat, this became the wheat we eat to this very day.
I will give you details on where to find these writings if you email me at mears@xplornet . com just remove the spaces and I will talk to you about this. My gift to you for Christmas will be a even better understanding of The lord Jesus Christ.
Hope to hear from you soon. Robert.