People of Ireland (548)

"Borders are put in place where big brother......"

That is a meaningless statement. The reason there is a border between Spain and France is because the French and Spanish people are different, not because of some 'Big Brother' whoever or whatever that is.

What makes me different from you? We both grew up on the same Island.

The reason why there is a border between Spain and France is because they both came to an agreement. The border that seperates Ireland was forced upon the Irish. There's the difference.

You and I are not different but the Northern Protestants are, they are British not Irish, republicans can never grasp that, they think that some day the protestants will wake up and be Irish. If you deny them their Britishness it's exactly the same as they denying your Irishness.
The border wasn't forced by the Brits, it arose because there are two peoples on the island.

I'm glad we agree.......



Lets get this straight. I've a problem in following your logic. I'm the same as you but one of my friends who live on the other side of a peace line ins't. Only becasue he is a northern protestant. So by that rule southern protestants are differnent from you and me (using your logic)...Has to follow suit.(if northern cathoilcs are different from northern protestants..then southern catholics have to be....)







What school did you learn history? The border was forced. And as for the the two types of people on the island of Ireland...Outside of Ireland, wether your catholic,protestant, republican,loyalist or what ever.....Everyone calls you Irish.

Whats the difference between a northern protestant and a southern protestant??? (don't state the obvious....try to think)

The border was not forced, it arose because the people on the island of Ireland could not agree. If there had been no push for independence there would have been no border. The push for independence exposed the fact that there were two peoples on the island of Ireland.

"Outside of Ireland everyone calls you Irish"! not relevant, what does it matter what anyone else calls you? National identity is a matter of belief, if you believe you are Irish you are Irish, if you believe you are British you are British, hence you and your friend across the peace line. Southern protestants now regard themselves as Irish, Northern protestants don't.

A Welshman may regard himself as Welsh, another one may regard himself as British, there is no contradiction, both are right because both are just expressing how they see themselves.

Your half right, there was a division, but the reality is the segment of Ireland that was loyal to the crown was not a viable statelet on its own. Hence why Tyrone and Fermanagh were added.

personally i do think the border will be re-shaped in my lifetime,,,but not removed!,,, by the time that occurs,,it will not matter,,, we'll be so deep in europe our grandkids will be europeans before irish,,, but if ya can get your leg over a nice polish bird ,,,,,not all bad

It's a de-facto peace....

All you have to do is look at how many peace lines there were in 1994 and how many now. The only (main reason) why there isn't so many killings is, most areas are sealed off.

If there was peace like you have suggested why are MI5 throwing money at tackling 'disidents'.<--- It's the shinners who disidented the most...


I agree with your first line it doesn't matter what religion a person is...

Your half right. There are two nationalities on the Island of Ireland...But don't insult my intelligence by saying the Border wasn't forced upon northern nationalists.