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Jan 25, 2010 11:38 AM CST Gender Equality?
sindhiboy
sindhiboysindhiboyBeautiful area of rural sindh, Sindh Pakistan49 Threads 4 Polls 889 Posts
cgedvr: There is no excuse for men who try to physically,emotionaly or spiritually dominate thier woman....or BOSS as you say...equality is understanding your role in a relationship to make it WORK...it takes a lifetime
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Jan 25, 2010 11:38 AM CST Gender Equality?
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
StressFree: Great point ginger. Slowly but surely, our cultures around the world are changing and transforming away from the old norms. The evidence is all around us, but this transformation is going to take time and some pain. Change and transformation towards acceptance and equality is inevitable, and the younger generations are the ones who are breaking away from the old norms and ideologies and will be the ones to tip the scales. As dark as things may seem right now, it's a necessary process towards realization on an individual and collective level.


Exactly! Hi Tonywave

All change is difficult, especially if the older values are ingrained. The next couple of generations are our only hope, but fly in the ointment is that the powers that be, who want things as they are, are also breeding a new generation and indoctrinating them in the same colleges they themselves went to, and turning out carbon copies. I think it is going to take a while for real change.
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Jan 25, 2010 11:43 AM CST Gender Equality?
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
cgedvr: There is no excuse for men who try to physically,emotionaly or spiritually dominate thier woman....or BOSS as you say...equality is understanding your role in a relationship to make it WORK...it takes a lifetime


Ask any member of any nuclear family who is the boss, and they will all point to the man as the head of the household/boss.

Look at any official or government form you will see the same.

Indoctrination to make people think they are different.doh
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Jan 25, 2010 11:52 AM CST Gender Equality?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
gingerb: Exactly! Hi Tony

All change is difficult, especially if the older values are ingrained. The next couple of generations are our only hope, but fly in the ointment is that the powers that be, who want things as they are, are also breeding a new generation and indoctrinating them in the same colleges they themselves went to, and turning out carbon copies. I think it is going to take a while for real change.


Agree, it will take a while and the process has taken a while (depending on how you define this) if we consider all the changes for gender equality since women were allowed to vote as well as all the changes since the 60's and 70's when women started working which changed the dynamics of a relationship and resulted in an escalation of divorces. The old roles were no longer functioning fairly and the transition into a modern day relationship and family is experiencing some difficulties---which is to be expected.

/things take time
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Jan 25, 2010 11:54 AM CST Gender Equality?
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
I think some people are confusing equality with sameness.

Men and women are not the same, but as members of society
should be equal. Look back just a few decades at the
inequality that was in fact taken for granted.

Society is a work in progress.
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Jan 25, 2010 11:56 AM CST Gender Equality?
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
gingerb: Ask any member of any nuclear family who is the boss, and they will all point to the man as the head of the household/boss.

Look at any official or government form you will see the same.

Indoctrination to make people think they are different.


What I am trying to say here is that it tends to give men the notion that they have power, and authority, that they don't actually have in reality.

This is perpetuated by rules for a society of unequals.

But a man cannot set down rules in his house, or within what he is told is HIS family unit, to harm anyone in it, regardless of whether they are men, women or children. There is not authority behind the NOTION of inequality.
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Jan 25, 2010 12:02 PM CST Gender Equality?
cgedvr
cgedvrcgedvrSo. Cal, California USA40 Threads 2,088 Posts
StressFree: Great point ginger. Slowly but surely, our cultures around the world are changing and transforming away from the old norms. The evidence is all around us, but this transformation is going to take time and some pain. Change and transformation towards acceptance and equality is inevitable, and the younger generations are the ones who are breaking away from the old norms and ideologies and will be the ones to tip the scales. As dark as things may seem right now, it's a necessary process towards realization on an individual and collective level.
It does seem dark to me...the divorse rate is greater all the time...the scales have been tipping for years...is it really tipping in the right direction? Maybe just maybe some of the "old norms" or ideologies were'nt so bad as what has been quoted "forward thinking"dunno
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Jan 25, 2010 2:45 PM CST Gender Equality?
MGaff
MGaffMGaffClare, Ireland2 Threads 148 Posts
cgedvr: It does seem dark to me...the divorse rate is greater all the time...the scales have been tipping for years...is it really tipping in the right direction? Maybe just maybe some of the "old norms" or ideologies were'nt so bad as what has been quoted "forward thinking"

Yeah, would have to agree it does seem dark. We can only hope that once the transformation that is taking place is complete, that our children will have learned from our mistakes, and will again give meaning and value to Marriage, Family, Community/Tribe. lt seems to me that there are good and bad aspects to the developments that have been happening since the sixty's. While the changes that we have been going through are quite obviously necessary, there is a dark aspect to the direction that we are going that could lead to Narcissism and selfishness, which in turn will lead to a total social breakdown. At the end of the day, our children are the next generation that maintains the life of a Society, and if that society does not or cannot hold a safe and secure place in which can grow, where are we then?
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Jan 25, 2010 3:01 PM CST Gender Equality?
bohdiprana
bohdipranabohdipranaLondon, Ontario Canada32 Threads 1,493 Posts
gottagivitashot: Does the continuous rise of feminist ideology/ intellect and its’ effect on the innate male ego act as a catalyst to the ultimate detriment of the feminist perspective?
Does the question pose a dilemma or an apparently inevitable irrevocable solution through mutual ongoing misunderstanding or indeed disrespect? Am I male or female???
Are these questions grammatically or indeed politically correct? Does it make sense to you? Or perhaps have we as I suspect prevented ourselves from asking the fundamental questions as the questions themselves might suggest?
Indeed, is feminism capable of withdrawing itself from the precipice and reinventing itself in a modern world that will reflect the reality of the gender conflicts?
I ponder!!!Your Thesis Please!
I only beg the questions. You provide the answers.


It has been this way and quite likely always will. If equality were in any way possible, these threads (not to mention the rest of the world) would far less contiguous. There are men wanting equality with men, women wanting it with other women and as you state genders wanting equality.

Equal treatment of people in general is the underlying, missing link.
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Jan 25, 2010 6:14 PM CST Gender Equality?
navygirl1
navygirl1navygirl1Calgary, Alberta Canada6 Threads 1,586 Posts
StressFree: Change and transformation towards acceptance and equality is inevitable, and the younger generations are the ones who are breaking away from the old norms and ideologies and will be the ones to tip the scales. .


I have to disagree as some of us from the older generation have already broken away from the norms like myself serving on a comabat ship. Okay, I am not old; just seasoned. laugh
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Jan 25, 2010 6:20 PM CST Gender Equality?
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
navygirl1: I have to disagree as some of us from the older generation have already broken away from the norms like myself serving on a comabat ship. Okay, I am not old; just seasoned.
Seasoned MMMMMMMMMMMMM Does that make you an old Saltrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing devil devil
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Jan 25, 2010 6:22 PM CST Gender Equality?
navygirl1
navygirl1navygirl1Calgary, Alberta Canada6 Threads 1,586 Posts
patmac: Seasoned MMMMMMMMMMMMM Does that make you an old Salt


Who the heck are you calling old? But yes I am a tad salty you brat. tongue
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Jan 25, 2010 6:25 PM CST Gender Equality?
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
navygirl1: Who the heck are you calling old? But yes I am a tad salty you brat.
innocent innocent Me, cool cool
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Jan 25, 2010 6:42 PM CST Gender Equality?
navygirl1
navygirl1navygirl1Calgary, Alberta Canada6 Threads 1,586 Posts
patmac: Promises Promises


Do you doubt the word of a sailor? scold
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Jan 25, 2010 6:49 PM CST Gender Equality?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
cgedvr: It does seem dark to me...the divorse rate is greater all the time...the scales have been tipping for years...is it really tipping in the right direction?

I believe so, but many others don't. That's how it is---deeply divided. I'm sticking with my idealist belief because I have observed the trends to be shifting towards a more understanding and harmonious world between all people. I see it as a painful and wonderful experience of a learning and slowly evolving process. History and where we are today can show this to a great extent.




Maybe just maybe some of the "old norms" or ideologies were'nt so bad as what has been quoted "forward thinking"


I totally agree with you cgedvr. From my understanding of it, is that integrating various functional ideas from the old norm with the current modern changes and discoveries (psychological adaptions)contribute to and support the other. However, not everybody is on the same page regarding this considering the deeply divided world we live in.
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Jan 25, 2010 6:49 PM CST Gender Equality?
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
So much for my dating reform ........roll eyes
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Jan 25, 2010 6:49 PM CST Gender Equality?
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
navygirl1: Do you doubt the word of a sailor?
Nope,but used to worry about the Bosun showing me the Golden Rivetrolling on the floor laughing wow wow rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Jan 25, 2010 6:49 PM CST Gender Equality?
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
cgedvr: It does seem dark to me...the divorse rate is greater all the time...the scales have been tipping for years...is it really tipping in the right direction?


I believe so, but many others don't. That's how it is---deeply divided. I'm sticking with my idealist belief because I have observed the trends to be shifting towards a more understanding and harmonious world between all people. I see it as a painful and wonderful experience of a learning and slowly evolving process. History and where we are today can show this to a great extent.



cgedvr:
Maybe just maybe some of the "old norms" or ideologies were'nt so bad as what has been quoted "forward thinking"


I totally agree with you cgedvr. From my understanding of it, is that integrating various functional ideas from the old norm with the current modern changes and discoveries (psychological adaptions)contribute to and support the other. However, not everybody is on the same page regarding this considering the deeply divided world we live in.

*fixed
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Jan 25, 2010 6:51 PM CST Gender Equality?
navygirl1
navygirl1navygirl1Calgary, Alberta Canada6 Threads 1,586 Posts
patmac: Nope,but used to worry about the Bosun showing me the Golden Rivet


I don't think you have to worry about this Boatswain showing you the golden rivet. I have other things I would rather show you. grin
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Jan 25, 2010 6:52 PM CST Gender Equality?
Merri
MerriMerriDefiance, Ohio USA531 Posts
Gingerb, could you please check your filter e-mail box, I sent you an e-mail. wave

Sorry for the interuption folks hijack
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