Bridging The GREAT DIVIDE ! (227)
jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 PostsGalactic_bodhi: There is absolutely NO capitalistic incentive, and that is what health-care has become; capitalism. I can remember my father talking about house calls. Gone is health "care". Nobody cares. It's a giant snake-oil scam now in the name of the almighty dollar and both parties are in on it.
exactly...whatever happend to the family doctor ??...and why do the doctors today just treat a symptom, and not try to find the real problem...there are alotta issues that need to be addressed other than making the insurance companys richer, while the politicians get their share too....it's all upside down....------ This thread is Archived ------
jvaski: Sure it is , but the problem is how does one not throw out the baby with the bath water ? Kinda a necessary evil these drug companies have become
the FDA has allowed them to be so....another example of our government hard at work for the little guy...
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jlw45: exactly...whatever happend to the family doctor ??...and why do the doctors today just treat a symptom, and not try to find the real problem...there are alotta issues that need to be addressed other than making the insurance companys richer, while the politicians get their share too....it's all upside down....
I have a number of doctors as close friends .....and some of them do actually worry about their patients and take it home with them.
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jlw45: the FDA has allowed them to be so....another example of our government hard at work for the little guy...
Your perspective might be slightly different if your life depended on the drugs they've provided to keep you alive.
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jvaski: Sure it is , but the problem is how does one not throw out the baby with the bath water ? Kinda a necessary evil these drug companies have become
They have MADE themselves that way. They haven't become that way. 800% + markup. That is the profit they make on each pill. Holistic Naturopathy could treat the majority of symptoms for a tenth of a price, but the conspiracy is to marginalize these "home-grown" treatments in favor of symptomatic therapy. Again, people can grow herbs at home. Why go to the doctor for the majority of reason's people do? Hmmm. Can't be having that. There's people in their 50's who can't get it up. Let's convince them they don't have to change their diet and habits. All they have to do is take this little blue pill.
Its a culture of laziness and dependence. And I hate it.
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To set the record straight ......I too know the drug companies make huge profits . Many people hate them for that and the price they charge for their pills. But here is an example of true "free-enterprise" as some of you put it. These huge corporations have tremendous competition and still they make obscene profits ......so as devils advocate - is that wrong ? 
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jvaski: To set the record straight ......I too know the drug companies make huge profits . Many people hate them for that and the price they charge for their pills. But here is an example of true "free-enterprise" as some of you put it. These huge corporations have tremendous competition and still they make obscene profits ......so as devils advocate - is that wrong ?
Its unethical when you marginalize alternative treatments in the name of oligarchy.
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jvaski: Your perspective might be slightly different if your life depended on the drugs they've provided to keep you alive.
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Galactic_bodhi: Its unethical when you marginalize alternative treatments in the name of oligarchy.
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jlw45: yea, after they've given me the guinea pig treatment and ran me through a dozen different meds while they scratch their heads...
I can be certain I would be pushing up daisys if it weren't for their research and free drugs programs - since my insurance company would have prefered I croaked .....
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Galactic_bodhi: Its unethical when you marginalize alternative treatments in the name of oligarchy.
Oops. Sorry for the blank quoting...if you achieve oligarchy through unethical and self-serving regulation, then how is that free enterprise? As well, in the case of anti-depressants, they only have to provide 2 cases to the FDA where the efficacy is significantly above the placebo control. And they get to pick the two cases. They could run 1000's of tests to get those two cases, in which case, any conclusions based on these two cases as to efficacy in the general population are grossly misleading.
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Galactic_bodhi: Its unethical when you marginalize alternative treatments in the name of oligarchy.
I'm not agruing with you Bodhi....I've just ratioanlized the fact that sometimes there's an almost acceptable level of crookedness that comes along with every service one is at the mercy of ..........
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jvaski: I can be certain I would be pushing up daisys if it weren't for their research and free drugs programs - since my insurance company would have prefered I croaked .....
well, don't worry...now the insurance co. is in charge...they'll let you croak next time...WE DON'T NEED MORE GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES...
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Galactic_bodhi: Oops. Sorry for the blank quoting...if you achieve oligarchy through unethical and self-serving regulation, then how is that free enterprise? As well, in the case of anti-depressants, they only have to provide 2 cases to the FDA where the efficacy is significantly above the placebo control. And they get to pick the two cases. They could run 1000's of tests to get those two cases, in which case, any conclusions based on these two cases as to efficacy in the general population are grossly misleading.
Typically these drugs companies are required to run 3-5 phase studies on patients before FDA approval . Sometimes these phase studies cost hundreds of millions of dollars and take 5-10 years.
And we have all seen that sometimes the drugs are pulled off approval after being released and found dangerous.....
But my main question is ....if so many want "free-enterprise" - then why is this not a prime example of what they want ?
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Galactic_bodhi: Yes. Effective regulation and not self-serving regulation. See the case of anti-depressants that I cited. If you sell snake oil, you should be run out of town on a rail.
I agree with you - but we'll never see it our lifetime when most of our representatives are lobbied and paid huge perks by these huge drug companies ........
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jlw45: well, don't worry...now the insurance co. is in charge...they'll let you croak next time...WE DON'T NEED MORE GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES...
The insurance corporations have always been in charge ...
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Galactic_bodhi: Yes. Effective regulation and not self-serving regulation. See the case of anti-depressants that I cited. If you sell snake oil, you should be run out of town on a rail.
Do you agree with that JLW ?
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jvaski: Typically these drugs companies are required to run 3-5 phase studies on patients before FDA approval . Sometimes these phase studies cost hundreds of millions of dollars and take 5-10 years.
And we have all seen that sometimes the drugs are pulled off approval after being released and found dangerous.....
But my main question is ....if so many want "free-enterprise" - then why is this not a prime example of what they want ?
And we have all seen that sometimes the drugs are pulled off approval after being released and found dangerous.....
But my main question is ....if so many want "free-enterprise" - then why is this not a prime example of what they want ?
Because when these same studies are run with naturopathic products, the FDA refuses to evaluate their efficacy, stating they don't review "supplementary" therapy. It's only supplementary because the AMA refuses to acknowledge any validity to holistic treatment. They can't get their eyes off the microscope long enough to evaluate the big picture.
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jvaski: Typically these drugs companies are required to run 3-5 phase studies on patients before FDA approval . Sometimes these phase studies cost hundreds of millions of dollars and take 5-10 years.
And we have all seen that sometimes the drugs are pulled off approval after being released and found dangerous.....
But my main question is ....if so many want "free-enterprise" - then why is this not a prime example of what they want ?
And we have all seen that sometimes the drugs are pulled off approval after being released and found dangerous.....
But my main question is ....if so many want "free-enterprise" - then why is this not a prime example of what they want ?
Because when these same studies are run with naturopathic products, the FDA refuses to evaluate their efficacy, stating they don't review "supplementary" therapy. It's only supplementary because the AMA refuses to acknowledge any validity to holistic treatment. They can't get their eyes off the microscope long enough to evaluate the big picture.
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Galactic_bodhi: Because when these same studies are run with naturopathic products, the FDA refuses to evaluate their efficacy, stating they don't review "supplementary" therapy. It's only supplementary because the AMA refuses to acknowledge any validity to holistic treatment. They can't get their eyes off the microscope long enough to evaluate the big picture.
Think about what you just said .......do you really want natural therapy regulated by the government - when you're already free to use it any way you choose ?
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