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Jul 26, 2010 11:12 PM CST The Truth is simple
tinypixie
tinypixietinypixiestoke on trent, Staffordshire, England UK9 Threads 311 Posts
There's 10 of us watching the same movie.
After the film we share our opinions, views and interpretations of the movie.
Each of us will have different views and opinions in how we experienced the movie.

Sooo, does my experience in how I see the film as an individual human mean that yours are wrong? That your views and opinions are less than mine?

Nope. Not in my eyes. Because through your eyes I can see the things that I couldn't see with my own eyes. Doesn't mean I have to believe your right, but your insight is worthy enough for me to listen to.
Heck, I might even learn something new!

Finding and accepting the similarities, not the differences is the the Key to understanding each other. Fact.
peace
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Jul 26, 2010 11:17 PM CST The Truth is simple
femjkw
femjkwfemjkwCedar Hills, Utah USA5 Threads 561 Posts
tinypixie: There's 10 of us watching the same movie.
After the film we share our opinions, views and interpretations of the movie.
Each of us will have different views and opinions in how we experienced the movie.

Sooo, does my experience in how I see the film as an individual human mean that yours are wrong? That your views and opinions are less than mine?

Nope. Not in my eyes. Because through your eyes I can see the things that I couldn't see with my own eyes. Doesn't mean I have to believe your right, but your insight is worthy enough for me to listen to.
Heck, I might even learn something new!

Finding and accepting the similarities, not the differences is the the Key to understanding each other. Fact.




Yaaaaaayyay
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Jul 26, 2010 11:22 PM CST The Truth is simple
Abram
AbramAbramGoshen, Ohio USA9 Threads 2,077 Posts
Now that would be perfectly true, as long as you agree with me.
laugh
Just kidding, I had to disagree, to agree. wink
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Jul 26, 2010 11:26 PM CST The Truth is simple
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
finding and accepting similarities and differences as well.
wine
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Jul 27, 2010 2:32 AM CST The Truth is simple
galaxy15
galaxy15galaxy15melbourne, Victoria Australia3 Threads 480 Posts
I disagree!

peace

Glips
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Jul 27, 2010 8:58 AM CST The Truth is simple
tinypixie
tinypixietinypixiestoke on trent, Staffordshire, England UK9 Threads 311 Posts
lifeisadream: finding and accepting similarities and differences as well.


Hmmm..... yes and no. Finding and concentrating on the similarities is much more potent and lasting than simply accepting the differences.

When one finds a similarity in others, accepting their differences is a piece of cake me thinks......

To accept a similiarity, one must first bypass the differences............
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Jul 27, 2010 9:01 AM CST The Truth is simple
tinypixie
tinypixietinypixiestoke on trent, Staffordshire, England UK9 Threads 311 Posts
tinypixie: Hmmm..... yes and no. Finding and concentrating on the similarities is much more potent and lasting than simply accepting the differences.

When one finds a similarity in others, accepting their differences is a piece of cake me thinks......

To accept a similiarity, one must first bypass the differences............


And not all differences are acceptable.......
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Jul 27, 2010 9:18 AM CST The Truth is simple
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
Your posts are often fascinating, Tinypixie, and quite thought-provoking. Rarely though have I time to respond with the justice they merit. Here, though, you seem to address the question, how does art function (using the medium of film as an example)?

We might say, art (film) is a one-way street, with multiple lanes. All originate from the same source (the film, or other artwork), but the lanes diverge as they reach each individual. Therefore the experience of the film (or other artwork) will be different for each viewer (or listener, or whoever in whatever fashion the art is experienced).

So each individual's response to the film (or other artwork) will be "correct," for them, but it will be "wrong" for any other viewer. They may agree on many points, may agree on the significance of the whole, but ultimately they won't have experienced it the same. Right or wrong, their experiences won't "match."

Most significant, I think, is that none of them will be "right," in the sense of receiving exactly the message the artist intended to send, because the artist (here, generally, the director) is also an individual. Art attempts to bridge the unbridgeable divide between one (the artist, or director) and another (the viewer). Art seeks to express to another that which cannot otherwise be expressed. Could we say then that art is the intellectual equivalent of making love?

wine 44
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Jul 27, 2010 9:31 AM CST The Truth is simple
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
Everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how stupid it may be. :)

I really don't mind anyone's opinion. It's when they're confused about the difference between their opinions and facts that things get interesting. rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 27, 2010 9:38 AM CST The Truth is simple
mastic55
mastic55mastic55Long Island, New York USA167 Threads 6,859 Posts
tinypixie: There's 10 of us watching the same movie.
After the film we share our opinions, views and interpretations of the movie.
Each of us will have different views and opinions in how we experienced the movie.

Sooo, does my experience in how I see the film as an individual human mean that yours are wrong? That your views and opinions are less than mine?

Nope. Not in my eyes. Because through your eyes I can see the things that I couldn't see with my own eyes. Doesn't mean I have to believe your right, but your insight is worthy enough for me to listen to.
Heck, I might even learn something new!

Finding and accepting the similarities, not the differences is the the Key to understanding each other. Fact.
I think we should sit down with a bong and discuss this some more.
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Jul 27, 2010 10:17 AM CST The Truth is simple
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
tinypixie: There's 10 of us watching the same movie.
After the film we share our opinions, views and interpretations of the movie.
Each of us will have different views and opinions in how we experienced the movie.

Sooo, does my experience in how I see the film as an individual human mean that yours are wrong? That your views and opinions are less than mine?

Nope. Not in my eyes. Because through your eyes I can see the things that I couldn't see with my own eyes. Doesn't mean I have to believe your right, but your insight is worthy enough for me to listen to.
Heck, I might even learn something new!

Finding and accepting the similarities, not the differences is the the Key to understanding each other. Fact.

I could agree with you, but then we both would be wrong ....grin
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Jul 27, 2010 10:20 AM CST The Truth is simple
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
Boban1: I could agree with you, but then we both would be wrong ....


I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken!angel
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Jul 27, 2010 10:22 AM CST The Truth is simple
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
tinypixie: There's 10 of us watching the same movie.
After the film we share our opinions, views and interpretations of the movie.
Each of us will have different views and opinions in how we experienced the movie.

Sooo, does my experience in how I see the film as an individual human mean that yours are wrong? That your views and opinions are less than mine?

Nope. Not in my eyes. Because through your eyes I can see the things that I couldn't see with my own eyes. Doesn't mean I have to believe your right, but your insight is worthy enough for me to listen to.
Heck, I might even learn something new!

Finding and accepting the similarities, not the differences is the the Key to understanding each other. Fact.


All say they want the truth, many cannot handle the truth..dunno

grin
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Jul 27, 2010 10:52 AM CST The Truth is simple
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
tinypixie: There's 10 of us watching the same movie.
After the film we share our opinions, views and interpretations of the movie.
Each of us will have different views and opinions in how we experienced the movie.

Sooo, does my experience in how I see the film as an individual human mean that yours are wrong? That your views and opinions are less than mine?

Nope. Not in my eyes. Because through your eyes I can see the things that I couldn't see with my own eyes. Doesn't mean I have to believe your right, but your insight is worthy enough for me to listen to.
Heck, I might even learn something new!

Finding and accepting the similarities, not the differences is the the Key to understanding each other. Fact.






I like what you wrote


According to Einstein, we can all see the same thing, happen at the same time, and perceive it differently; at different times, and all be right, within our own frame of reference.


The perception of a person who say's the world is millions of years old, is not more valid that the perception of a person who say's it's 6,000 years old.



"This is a fundamental result of Special Relativity."

"From different reference frames, there can never be agreement on the simultaneity of events."



Simultaneity - Albert Einstein and the Theory of Relativity





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Jul 27, 2010 4:28 PM CST The Truth is simple
theoldestdear
theoldestdeartheoldestdearReading, Berkshire, England UK2 Threads 507 Posts
anonymous1: I like what you wroteAccording to Einstein, we can all see the same thing, happen at the same time, and perceive it differently; at different times, and all be right, within our own frame of reference.The perception of a person who say's the world is millions of years old, is not more valid that the perception of a person who say's it's 6,000 years old.
"This is a fundamental result of Special Relativity."

"From different reference frames, there can never be agreement on the simultaneity of events."
Simultaneity - Albert Einstein and the Theory of Relativity


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not a great example and misuse of science once again

the two strikes physically occur non-simultaneously, not just that the flashes are received by the person on the train non-simultaneously.
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Jul 27, 2010 4:36 PM CST The Truth is simple
tinypixie
tinypixietinypixiestoke on trent, Staffordshire, England UK9 Threads 311 Posts
Dagosto: Your posts are often fascinating, Tinypixie, and quite thought-provoking. Rarely though have I time to respond with the justice they merit. Here, though, you seem to address the question, how does art function (using the medium of film as an example)?

We might say, art (film) is a one-way street, with multiple lanes. All originate from the same source (the film, or other artwork), but the lanes diverge as they reach each individual. Therefore the experience of the film (or other artwork) will be different for each viewer (or listener, or whoever in whatever fashion the art is experienced).

So each individual's response to the film (or other artwork) will be "correct," for them, but it will be "wrong" for any other viewer. They may agree on many points, may agree on the significance of the whole, but ultimately they won't have experienced it the same. Right or wrong, their experiences won't "match."

Most significant, I think, is that none of them will be "right," in the sense of receiving exactly the message the artist intended to send, because the artist (here, generally, the director) is also an individual. Art attempts to bridge the unbridgeable divide between one (the artist, or director) and another (the viewer). Art seeks to express to another that which cannot otherwise be expressed. Could we say then that art is the intellectual equivalent of making love?

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Thank you, how nice of you to say so....handshake

Yes we could say that art could be difined as the intellectual equivalent of making love.....but it can also cause rifts as well as building bridges....depending on what kind of msg the viewer wants to perceive....same thing applies to music and literature me thinks.....

The ability of percieving things the way we do is fasicinating.....and yet we seem to have difficulty understanding and accepting that others, besides ourselves also have this same ability.....it baffles me why most pple cannot try on their neighbours shoes just for a few moments........I mean what's the worst that can happen?
Callouses and bunions? rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 27, 2010 4:47 PM CST The Truth is simple
tinypixie
tinypixietinypixiestoke on trent, Staffordshire, England UK9 Threads 311 Posts
Boban1: I could agree with you, but then we both would be wrong ....


laugh laugh
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Jul 27, 2010 4:51 PM CST The Truth is simple
tinypixie
tinypixietinypixiestoke on trent, Staffordshire, England UK9 Threads 311 Posts
mastic55: I think we should sit down with a bong and discuss this some more.


Great idea rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 27, 2010 5:28 PM CST The Truth is simple
bamabulldog08
bamabulldog08bamabulldog08tuscaloosa, Alabama USA24 Threads 972 Posts
gardenhackle: Everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how stupid it may be. :)

I really don't mind anyone's opinion. It's when they're confused about the difference between their opinions and facts that things get interesting.
thumbs up thumbs up
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Jul 27, 2010 5:31 PM CST The Truth is simple
bamabulldog08
bamabulldog08bamabulldog08tuscaloosa, Alabama USA24 Threads 972 Posts
tinypixie: Hmmm..... yes and no. Finding and concentrating on the similarities is much more potent and lasting than simply accepting the differences.

When one finds a similarity in others, accepting their differences is a piece of cake me thinks......

To accept a similiarity, one must first bypass the differences............
I believe we must find common ground. But I also believe there are those we will never achieve common ground with. I could never find common ground with a terrorist, could you???drinking
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