The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!! ( Archived) (251)

SCatlyn: Tho not extremely knowledgeable on the above:

1)Overwhelming majority(not all)bottled waters are a hoax themselves. Local consumer reports pointed out most come from Dallas, TX municipal water system.. has basically same standards & test results as municipal water system right here in OKC; that is, tap water.
Info is Not hidden. Checked out labels at the store on brand name & generic -Right there, back label stated it was from Dallas Municipal Water System.(I use a water filter myself.)

2)In the past,I was a member of C.Science in the Public Interest. While some useful info & work is going on(I later learned thru the type of smart research methods posted earlier on this thread, or sim. thread by Bluesman63, & more) nearly all such groups exaggerate & take test results(often flawed b/c of the way the research was conducted)out of context, the very context they used in their own testing.
...referring to this quote here: .."to have been known by the FDA and the pharma companies to cause horrific side effects and even death, but they have been approved anyway."

When you get a prescription filled, read a PDR(Physician's Desk Reference) or prescr. "pillbook", it state's side effects, some severe, even resulting in death, Can occur & have occurred, in rare cases, during initial testing.
H/E, in the quote I put in bold, it's worded to appear horrific side effects & deaths occurring in testing stage were in huge amounts & hidden from the public, when, in fact, it's right there in the info sheet w/the script, the very same side effects, & possibility of death, as listed in the PDR. Also says to call dr. or pharmacist immediately if you experience any moderate to severe effect listed. (Most TV ads for new meds. mention the possibility, in rare cases, of death. Also true when you sign a consent form to undergo anesthesia.)
While there are lawsuits against the FDA truly warranted, many quotes on this thread coming from "research" groups have inaccurate or incomplete conclusions, & skewed, way out of proportion, to the particular groups' biases.

3)When a new drug tested shows signs of promise -that is, volunteers(yes,they're real -know some personally; universities, etc. often have ads on radio & TV re: current studies needing volunteers)have had some great results, IMMEDIATELY people beg for the medication.
While I think the FDA is far from pristine(it's similar to biased researchers quoted in some of this thread- one exaggerates safety, the other exag. danger),they do always say they have to wait til all testing is done before drug is available-for effectiveness, safety, etc.
So what occurs then? .. many people end up finding the drug in another country that has less strict standards, & buy it there, b/c they don't want to wait on the FDA.

My Point: there are some Real truths in the allegations in this thread..., but a lot more unscientific, inaccurate conclusions, theories, & often, unreliable research posted as well. (not to mention insults to those who post saying so- I haven't been paid to post, & I'm not stupid.. yes, I can prove both- the latter w/ IQ test I was given)
*Note-would like to see OP, or anyone, really, report on the state of things in a few other locations beyond the U.S. in order to get a more balanced view of the world around us.

BellaTheRebel48: What you posted after my quote doesn't have anything to do with my quote. I asked how OPs post about drug companies being sued by the U.S. government showed the government was still at it.
Also, my previous post on here:
Conrad73: ...
Now strat talking about the Atrocities committed by Janjaweed,Taliban,etc!
You're taking Cheap Shots at a Country that prosecutes Stuff like that,and clam up about Countries that do not!
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The U.S. government is still at it. As you must know, the U.S. government is made up of many government agencies, the FDA for one, which part of its responsibility is to see that medicines are safe for the general public. The FDA has a history of not delving deep enough into whether the pharma company research studies for new drugs have been thorough enough and are suitable for what the medicine is intended to treat or what the pharma companies claim.

Despite the fact that the government is suing pharma companies, the U.S. government knew that certain drugs were harmful and had side effects that included death. Eli Lilly knew that Zyprexa caused diabetes, pancreatitis, ketoacidosis, hyperglycemia and even death and hid this. The FDA issued a "doctor letter" in 2002 advising all doctors about these potential devastating side effects and yet, the drug is still being administered to patients. This drug is for people who are psychotic and may not fully understand the ramifications of taking this drug. Since this drug has the potential to cause diabetes, which can lead to limb loss and death, why not take it off the market instead of just suing the pharma companies? Could it be to offset monies lost to federal and state coffers drained by the recession, not to mention drained by federal and state health care programs that have taken a deep cut due to massive unemployment in the U.S. So, on the one hand the U.S. government is suing the pharma company, but on the other is still allowing these dangerous drugs to continue to be prescribed.

Maybe, I should not have included the post about the pharma companies being sued, but the fact of the matter is they are being sued by states also because the states have had to eat the cost of medical care for the people who developed serious complications from taking this medication.

I, maintain that the U.S. is still at it as I stated in MY thread topic because the U.S apologized to the remaining survivors of The Tuskegee Experiment and a mere 13 years later on October 1st apologized for the Guatemalan STD study. Even though these studies were conducted years ago, the apologizing is continuing.

What country will receive the next apology? When will the next U.S. government research study become public knowledge, another one so gruesome that the U.S. government will be compelled to issue yet another apology.

I truly hope that there are not more of these such studies that are about to become public knowledge. Enough is enough!

The 2nd part of why I stated that the U.S. is still at is because obviously, we learned nothing from the Iraq Abu Ghraib prison torture photos if U.S. soldiers are in Afghanistan killing innocent Afghan civilians, cutting off body parts, posing with the torn up corpses and then emailing them to each other.

Yes, the U.S. is still at it and I stand by my thread title and will continue to do so. Feel free to find fault in any of my threads or posts, I will still post as I see fit as I don't seek approval from anyone as to why I post what I post and that includes you!

SCatlyn:

While I believe power abuses began almost from the start, it is no different than power anywhere.
While this country has things to be truly ashamed of, it has far more to be proud of. (I could come up with pages upon pages of great acts, life-changing inventions, sacrifice for others here & abroad, & generosity at every level that can be attributed to this great country.) Yes, any horrendous acts committed by some in this country, should be brought to light & wrongs made right if possible. (My own family has been affected by at least a couple of government experiments done without our knowledge or consent.)
But to bring these things up as if only the U.S. is ever at fault, while ignoring the enormous atrocities committed by mankind where ever there is power all over this world... all I can say is, on that note I agree with Conrad.

The U.S. was & is one of the most generous countries in the world.

u2Kitty: Dear Albertaghost.

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Conrad73: Got to question your Sources!

And your Sources are,shall we say,less than Impeccable!

murny: Alberta Ghost, you are definitely on the payroll, aren't you?

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