The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!! (251)
Evil runs deeper than we will ever know 
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...so what's new?
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It's always amazing how some people become animals when given a gun and ordered to do things against humanity......but then sometimes the rest of us might have another perspective if we were in their shoes and having experienced it front row.....
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cincity: It is not only the US that has performed such atrocities...
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History repeats itself eh Bell??? this reminds me of the old smallpox on the blankets trick they pulled with the first nations peoples 
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Humanity has the nasty habit of being intoxicated by power...
...the history of powerful nations experimenting on less powerful societies is not news....nor is it solely attributable to the US...
...it is unfortunate true...to see what should be the nation that represents the free world....embroiled in such situations....but probably it is because it is the US...that such atrocities come to light....
...the history of powerful nations experimenting on less powerful societies is not news....nor is it solely attributable to the US...
...it is unfortunate true...to see what should be the nation that represents the free world....embroiled in such situations....but probably it is because it is the US...that such atrocities come to light....
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BellaTheRebel48: Oh, well...some things NEVER change!
Whether I agree with the premise or not, I have to say I do agree with that statement.
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cincity: It is not only the US that has performed such atrocities...
There is a big suspicions and many proves that HIV-Aids in Africa particularly in South Africa was deliberately made and then intentionally infected to human for politically and economically purposes. Please google Dr dearth in RSA------ This thread is Archived ------
venusenvy: History repeats itself eh Bell??? this reminds me of the old smallpox on the blankets trick they pulled with the first nations peoples
Seems the "they" in this trick can't be confirmed as actually having done that, but more interesting yet, is that the "they" in this trick was the commander of the British forces in the US, Lord Jeffrey Amherst. At least according to the only source I could find that had supporting facts and an historical bent.
source:
Dear Philip:
A common reaction to this story is that it has to be folklore. Giving infected blankets to the Indians--why, that's awful! That's disgusting! That's . . . ethnic cleansing. Hmm. Maybe this story bears a closer look.
Fact is, on at least one occasion a high-ranking European considered infecting the Indians with smallpox as a tactic of war. I'm talking about Lord Jeffrey Amherst, commander of British forces in North America during the French and Indian War (1756-'63). Amherst and a subordinate discussed, apparently seriously, sending infected blankets to hostile tribes. What's more, we've got the documents to prove it, thanks to the enterprising research of Peter d'Errico, legal studies professor at the University of Massachusetts at (fittingly) Amherst. D'Errico slogged through hundreds of reels of microfilmed correspondence looking for the smoking gun, and he found it.
The exchange took place during Pontiac's Rebellion, which broke out after the war, in 1763. Forces led by Pontiac, a chief of the Ottawa who had been allied with the French, laid siege to the English at Fort Pitt.
According to historian Francis Parkman, Amherst first raised the possibility of giving the Indians infected blankets in a letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, who would lead reinforcements to Fort Pitt. No copy of this letter has come to light, but we do know that Bouquet discussed the matter in a postscript to a letter to Amherst on July 13, 1763:
P.S. I will try to inocculate the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.
On July 16 Amherst replied, also in a postscript:
P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.
On July 26 Bouquet wrote back:
I received yesterday your Excellency's letters of 16th with their Inclosures. The signal for Indian Messengers, and all your directions will be observed.
We don't know if Bouquet actually put the plan into effect, or if so with what result. We do know that a supply of smallpox-infected blankets was available, since the disease had broken out at Fort Pitt some weeks previously. We also know that the following spring smallpox was reported to be raging among the Indians in the vicinity.
To modern ears, this talk about infecting the natives with smallpox, hunting them down with dogs, etc., sounds over the top. But it's easy to believe Amherst and company were serious. D'Errico provides other quotes from Amherst's correspondence that suggest he considered Native Americans subhumans who ought to be exterminated. Check out his research for yourself at egal/amherst/lord_jeff.html. He not only includes transcriptions but also reproduces the relevant parts of the incriminating letters.
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jahzah: Evil runs deeper than we will ever know
I`m afraid your are right on that (somewhat not surprised
):Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1833-1965)
Today, the medical experiments continue on the U.S. population and its children. From the mass drugging of children diagnosed with fictitious behavioral disorders invented by psychiatry to the FDA's approval of mass-marketed drugs that have undergone no legitimate clinical trials, our population is right now being subjected to medical experiments on a staggering scale. Today, nearly 50% of Americans are on a least one prescription drug, and nearly 20% of schoolchildren are on mind-altering amphetamines like Ritalin or antidepressants like Prozac. This mass medication of our nation is, in every way, a grand medical experiment taking place right now.
As you read through these science experiments, you'll learn the stories of newborns injected with radioactive substances, mentally ill people placed in giant refrigerators, military personnel exposed to chemical weapons by the very government they served and mentally challenged children being purposely infected with hepatitis. These stories are facts, not fiction: Each account, no matter how horrifying, is backed up with a link or citation to a reputable source.
These stories must be heard because human experimentation is still going on today. The reasons behind the experiments may be different, but the usual human guinea pigs are still the same -- members of minority groups, the poor and the disadvantaged. These are the lives that were put on the line in the name of "scientific" medicine.
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u2Kitty: Hi solitare
I found this link which Rayfromusa once had up in a thread about eugenics..(Human transition)
I found this link which Rayfromusa once had up in a thread about eugenics..(Human transition)
HI !!! Yo'self Kitty!
Thank you; already have it. What I'd like to see is a film or docu. on Huxley's sequel to Brave New World. Most people do not even know it exists. It is far worse than the first...cheerful thoughts...
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u2Kitty[/quote: These stories must be heard because human experimentation is still going on today. The reasons behind the experiments may be different, but the usual human guinea pigs are still the same -- members of minority groups, the poor and the disadvantaged. These are the lives that were put on the line in the name of "scientific" medicine.
It has been argued that the poor and minorities don't have access to medical care and drugs and this is anargument that they get too much medical attention and drugs. Both arguments can't be true at the same time, so at least one of them must be be false.
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I think as long as people in "power" think they can get away with their perception of what they are doing is right they are going to do it. This is business as usual and it's done on the global scale not confined to any one nation.
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gardenhackle: It has been argued that the poor and minorities don't have access to medical care and drugs and this is anargument that they get too much medical attention and drugs. Both arguments can't be true at the same time, so at least one of them must be be false.
To me there is NO excuse, whether rich or poor to use any humans for medical experiments. In many cases they are not even informed that they are participating in an experiment and that the experiment can`t even be given the benefit of the doubt.
MO
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u2Kitty: To me there is NO excuse, whether rich or poor to use any humans for medical experiments. In many cases they are not even informed that they are participating in an experiment and that the experiment can`t even be given the benefit of the doubt.
MO
MO
agree with you there.
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BellaTheRebel48: "Horrific Medical Tests Of Past Raise Concerns For Today"
"The astounding revelation that U.S. medical researchers intentionally gave Guatemalans gonorrhea and syphilis more than 60 years ago is so horrifying that we want to believe that what happened then could never happen today."
"In recent years, there has been a steady shift of clinical research from testing in the U.S. and other developed nations to the developing world."
On May 16, 1997 former President Bill Clinton apologized to the eight remaining survivors of the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.
Now, according to Fox News and a mere 13 years later:Reports indicate that Clinton(not the former president)telephoned President Alvaro Colom to apologize for the Guatemalan STD study. President Colom expressed his anger and outrage.
Tuskegee experiment deja vu U.S. apologizes for Guatemalan STD study
On another note:
Photos Show U.S. Soldiers Posing With Afghan Corpses
"Those who have seen the photos say they are grisly:soldiers beside newly killed bodies, decaying corpses and severed fingers."
"Troops allegedly shared the photos by email and thumb drive like electronic trading cards. Now 60-70 of them are being kept tightly shielded from the public and even defense attorneys because of fears they could wind up in the news media and provoke anti-American violence."
So, in other words, the U.S. is still stuck in "business as usual" mode. Oh, well...some things NEVER change!
"The astounding revelation that U.S. medical researchers intentionally gave Guatemalans gonorrhea and syphilis more than 60 years ago is so horrifying that we want to believe that what happened then could never happen today."
"In recent years, there has been a steady shift of clinical research from testing in the U.S. and other developed nations to the developing world."
On May 16, 1997 former President Bill Clinton apologized to the eight remaining survivors of the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.
Now, according to Fox News and a mere 13 years later:Reports indicate that Clinton(not the former president)telephoned President Alvaro Colom to apologize for the Guatemalan STD study. President Colom expressed his anger and outrage.
Tuskegee experiment deja vu U.S. apologizes for Guatemalan STD study
On another note:
Photos Show U.S. Soldiers Posing With Afghan Corpses
"Those who have seen the photos say they are grisly:soldiers beside newly killed bodies, decaying corpses and severed fingers."
"Troops allegedly shared the photos by email and thumb drive like electronic trading cards. Now 60-70 of them are being kept tightly shielded from the public and even defense attorneys because of fears they could wind up in the news media and provoke anti-American violence."
So, in other words, the U.S. is still stuck in "business as usual" mode. Oh, well...some things NEVER change!
Not sure if I get what you are trying to say here. The article you posted told of something that occurred decades ago and how it was acknowledged and, appoligized for by Clinton. Then, you posted a story about how five soldiers are being prosecuted for offenses ranging from wrongfully possessing images of body parts and human remains and killing civilians.
Please spell it out for me as I seem to have missed the boat on this thread.
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Medsummer: I think as long as people in "power" think they can get away with their perception of what they are doing is right they are going to do it. This is business as usual and it's done on the global scale not confined to any one nation.
I agree, and for anyone to think that it is only the US that has been involved in such is ignorant to their own countries history.
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Bella if your so angry at America, go move to a country that hasn't hurt anyone in secret.
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Albertaghost: Not sure if I get what you are trying to say here. The article you posted told of something that occurred decades ago and how it was acknowledged and, appoligized for by Clinton. Then, you posted a story about how five soldiers are being prosecuted for offenses ranging from wrongfully possessing images of body parts and human remains and killing civilians.
Please spell it out for me as I seem to have missed the boat on this thread.
Please spell it out for me as I seem to have missed the boat on this thread.
Bellatherebel is running wild with too many complaints today to show any correlation in her origional arguement/concern. You did not miss the boat, Bella was not at the dock.
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"The astounding revelation that U.S. medical researchers intentionally gave Guatemalans gonorrhea and syphilis more than 60 years ago is so horrifying that we want to believe that what happened then could never happen today."
"In recent years, there has been a steady shift of clinical research from testing in the U.S. and other developed nations to the developing world."
On May 16, 1997 former President Bill Clinton apologized to the eight remaining survivors of the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.
Now, according to Fox News and a mere 13 years later:Reports indicate that Clinton(not the former president)telephoned President Alvaro Colom to apologize for the Guatemalan STD study. President Colom expressed his anger and outrage.
Tuskegee experiment deja vu U.S. apologizes for Guatemalan STD study
On another note:
Photos Show U.S. Soldiers Posing With Afghan Corpses
"Those who have seen the photos say they are grisly:soldiers beside newly killed bodies, decaying corpses and severed fingers."
"Troops allegedly shared the photos by email and thumb drive like electronic trading cards. Now 60-70 of them are being kept tightly shielded from the public and even defense attorneys because of fears they could wind up in the news media and provoke anti-American violence."
So, in other words, the U.S. is still stuck in "business as usual" mode. Oh, well...some things NEVER change!