The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!! (251)
Faithfulness: I am sure that there are other countires in this big world of our that have done things to its peoples and to others als. I am sure that the USA is not the only country guily of wrong doing.
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I marvel at the willingness of some "Americans" to Crap on their Country!
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u2Kitty: To me there is NO excuse, whether rich or poor to use any humans for medical experiments. In many cases they are not even informed that they are participating in an experiment and that the experiment can`t even be given the benefit of the doubt.
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u2Kitty..that IS indeed, the case!!
The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment was one, this Guatemalan STD study is another, not to mention the studies done on the mentally ill. Many of the medications that the mentally ill are given, state that a side affect is death.
I guess, to some people and the pharma companies, death is preferable to being mentally ill. While you are alive, there is always hope, but if you're mentally ill, "here take this pill, it may cause your death, but that's the price you pay," according to pharmaceutical companies and doctors, etc.
Simply put, certain people are "dispensable."
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Conrad73: I marvel at the willingness of some "Americans" to Crap on their Country!
95% of the time it's Dems.
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u2Kitty: So all this just happened by "accident"
What? People who are dying being given an experimental drug? Probably out of desperation. In any case, hardly a small pox hidden in blankets scenario or U.S. medical researchers intentionally giving Guatemalans gonorrhea and syphilis.
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Conrad73: I marvel at the willingness of some "Americans" to Crap on their Country!
so , an American should shut their eyes before the injustices ...Monsanto is feeding American as well ...
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Conrad73: I marvel at the willingness of some "Americans" to Crap on their Country!
We ask "what direction is our country going" a lot nowa days. the answer seems to be back into tme.
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Boban1: so , an American should shut their eyes before the injustices ...Monsanto is feeding American as well ...
Monsanto is EVIL!
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simpleman579: We ask "what direction is our country going" a lot nowa days. the answer seems to be back into tme.
No kidding. when you have to drag crap up from over fifty years ago to villify your country something is amiss.
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Medsummer: Bella if your so angry at America, go move to a country that hasn't hurt anyone in secret.
I have the right to express MY opinion. You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it and you certainly don't have to read it!
However, I will state that you can take your suggestion to me and shove it you know where!
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BellaTheRebel48: u2Kitty..that IS indeed, the case!!
The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment was one, this Guatemalan STD study is another, not to mention the studies done on the mentally ill. Many of the medications that the mentally ill are given, state that a side affect is death.
I guess, to some people and the pharma companies, death is preferable to being mentally ill. While you are alive, there is always hope, but if you're mentally ill, "here take this pill, it may cause your death, but that's the price you pay," according to pharmaceutical companies and doctors, etc.
Simply put, certain people are "dispensable."
The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment was one, this Guatemalan STD study is another, not to mention the studies done on the mentally ill. Many of the medications that the mentally ill are given, state that a side affect is death.
I guess, to some people and the pharma companies, death is preferable to being mentally ill. While you are alive, there is always hope, but if you're mentally ill, "here take this pill, it may cause your death, but that's the price you pay," according to pharmaceutical companies and doctors, etc.
Simply put, certain people are "dispensable."
They did learn that pencillin (new at the time) had a positive effect on the STD, Bella. How many since have been aided and cured from quick application of pencillon to STDs since? Numbers we don't know. But allot I bet.
Human testing is always the final stage of any drug development program. You have to know for sure that is works on the human subject.
I agree that the introduction of STC into humans was uncalled for. There were others with diagonised STDs that the human testing could have been done on.
But put it into time frame some. Post WWII period. They had 5m American men returning from the combat theatres. Bringing everything from Dungy fever, to Malaria, to STDs home to the US. They needed to know right then......what would work and was effective to combat them. Else they could easily have a mass break out of diseases in the US.
You had 50m Americans that were facing the diseases that American soldiers were bring back into the country. Knowing the penicillon was effective drug for STDs....likely saved many lives here and abroad.
Yes many during that period were considered 'dispensable'. It was how wars were won then.
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Conrad73: I marvel at the willingness of some "Americans" to Crap on their Country!
It's the old Freedom of Speach thing even if you are ignorant as hell.Alot of good people gave their lives for that Freedom.It's a shame some people can't keep their mouths shut about things they know nothing about.Such is freedom.
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u2Kitty:
And heres 1 example from page 2:
The United States sends 1.7 million members of the armed forces, 22 percent of whom are African-American, to the Persian Gulf for the War ("Desert Storm"). More than 400,000 of these soldiers are ordered to take an experimental nerve agent called pyridostigmine, which is later believed to be the cause of Gulf War Syndrome -- ranging from skin neurological disorders, incontinence, uncontrollable drooling and vision problems -- affecting Gulf War veterans (Goliszek; Merritte,' target='_blank'>http://www.bsos.umd.edu/gvpt/lawonl... et al.).
Being ordered is different from being asked and informed (in my wold perspective)
And heres 1 example from page 2:
The United States sends 1.7 million members of the armed forces, 22 percent of whom are African-American, to the Persian Gulf for the War ("Desert Storm"). More than 400,000 of these soldiers are ordered to take an experimental nerve agent called pyridostigmine, which is later believed to be the cause of Gulf War Syndrome -- ranging from skin neurological disorders, incontinence, uncontrollable drooling and vision problems -- affecting Gulf War veterans (Goliszek; Merritte,' target='_blank'>http://www.bsos.umd.edu/gvpt/lawonl... et al.).
Being ordered is different from being asked and informed (in my wold perspective)
What was that drug designed to do I wonder?
u2Kitty:
If you dive into the drug methamphetamine - you`ll find that it was given to soldiers to make them fell invincible. (This drug was created in WW2)
So the question is if you mean dying before or after these experiments
If you dive into the drug methamphetamine - you`ll find that it was given to soldiers to make them fell invincible. (This drug was created in WW2)
So the question is if you mean dying before or after these experiments
No. I mean where is the heinous experiments spoken of in the OP that are being conducted? Providing an anti nerve gas drug to soldiers is hardly heinous given the percieved threat. If they were not ordered to take this and there was an attack then one would be wondering what the hell was wrong with the military for not providing it.
In fact, if I recall, there was much ado about body armor not being provided to soldiers and one of the reasons was that the armor they could have provided was still in testing. Strange how one is bad and the other wrong for not providing it.
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ironman57321: It's the old Freedom of Speach thing even if you are ignorant as hell.Alot of good people gave their lives for that Freedom.It's a shame some people can't keep their mouths shut about things they know nothing about.Such is freedom.
And I see this as a great opportunity ,not only for me, to learn something and exchange opinion
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Albertaghost: I just glossed over that point as it meant nothing but,interesting that it was placed in there.
<more than a hat rack sometimes. 
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ironman57321: It's the old Freedom of Speach thing even if you are ignorant as hell.Alot of good people gave their lives for that Freedom.It's a shame some people can't keep their mouths shut about things they know nothing about.Such is freedom.
Figure out the best thing that country has got (freedom of speech and press) and give it a swirl.
Just a read book.....yes, I really do....it was on the Siege of Troy by the Greeks. After the battle was over with. One of the legendary storytellers of the time....was telling nasty and truthful stories of the High King of the Greeks.
On hearing of the stories and of the storyteller, the High King had him blinded and cut off his ears. The High King said that was for lying about him and his great victory at Troy. Censorship was tough in those days....
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ttom500: Figure out the best thing that country has got (freedom of speech and press) and give it a swirl.
Just a read book.....yes, I really do....it was on the Siege of Troy by the Greeks. After the battle was over with. One of the legendary storytellers of the time....was telling nasty and truthful stories of the High King of the Greeks.
On hearing of the stories and of the storyteller, the High King had him blinded and cut off his ears. The High King said that was for lying about him and his great victory at Troy. Censorship was tough in those days....
If your accusing me of censorship,you missed my point bud.Just a read book.....yes, I really do....it was on the Siege of Troy by the Greeks. After the battle was over with. One of the legendary storytellers of the time....was telling nasty and truthful stories of the High King of the Greeks.
On hearing of the stories and of the storyteller, the High King had him blinded and cut off his ears. The High King said that was for lying about him and his great victory at Troy. Censorship was tough in those days....
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venusenvy: Goodness gracious Ped, jump into the decade already!
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Looking it over I don't see any intentional infecting of people like the OP said there was.
So all this just happened by "accident"