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Oct 4, 2010 1:29 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
bollywood: ethically .

There are good guidelines available already . If a company want to sell the medicine in the west , try that there ,test it there , not on the poor people in the poor countries by hiding all potential bad effects of that . The fact is that even if the medicine is tested and marketed its not availabe to the commninty where the clinical trials were taken .
How would you know the Side-effects until you have tested it?

Mayhaps those poor Countries need to develop their own Medicines!
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Oct 4, 2010 1:46 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
chris27292729: Seeing your soldiers dismembering corpses,makes you a pround patriotic American,and others contemning this hideous act,inside or outside of USA,are not patriotic Americans,and biased against your country.


Say Chris, hate to break the news to you but the US military is supported by Conrad and most others. The US military did not dismember corpses but rather soldiers who went rogue and committed war crimes.

In fact, the only reason you know of this is that the US military is charging these soldiers for those offenses and the press has picked up on it due to the openness our society and military has.

In short, actions such as this are not permissible and not encouraged but, are prohibited, considered war crimes and, punished when found out.

So, if someone is proud of a war criminal then yes, Conrad might be proud but, given his propensity to challenge war criminals and those who give them aid and comfort such as the supporters of Hamas, Iran and such, I highly doubt he is proud of those criminals who did those actions.
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Oct 4, 2010 1:54 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Yes, this is it.-Thank you.please note, the SOFA agreement varies from country to country,for example, a hit and run by an American personel,will bring him on trial in the host country,and for the same accident, NOT another country.- wave
Happygolucky4u: Oh look my link worked. Don't know if it is what you were talking about or not Chris. Have a good week
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Oct 4, 2010 2:12 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
chris27292729: Yes, this is it.-Thank you.please note, the SOFA agreement varies from country to country,for example, a hit and run by an American personel,will bring him on trial in the host country,and for the same accident, NOT another country.-


Well duh. You didn't know this? Iraq and the us had a huge wow going on discussing their SOF in that Iraq wanted to try troops comittiing offenses in Iraq courts and the US wanting them to be tried by the military. It all comes down to how badly the Iraqis wanted the US there and it was negotiated just as every other place where the US has troops stationed is.

For example, if Afghanistan says no way and that the troops are all under local law then the US says no way, leaves and the government collapses. Hence, it's give and take, just like in Korea where the same agreement is negotiated.

You can read more about it here;

Put it this way; If a soldier is sent to Iraq and has a traffic accident, without this agreement, if he accidentally kills a person, even another US soldier, he could be sentenced to death. Similarly, if he gets in an argument in a store and is accused of stealing, he could have his hand chopped off. Given the different customs and such, to expect a soldier to not only face enemy fire but death or dismemberment for something that insurance would cover back home, one would find the desertion rate going into double digits come rotation time.

The SOFA also carries the terms, length, troops numbers and levels as well as renewal dates and methods of transition for same. All countries where the US has troops has one with the US.

hence, if one has a problem with the US military in a country, the country themselves is responsible as they are the ones who set the terms with the US.
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Oct 4, 2010 2:26 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
SCatlyn
SCatlynSCatlynBrecon, South Glamorgan, Wales UK5 Threads 2,166 Posts
Conrad73: ...
Now strat talking about the Atrocities committed by Janjaweed,Taliban,etc!
You're taking Cheap Shots at a Country that prosecutes Stuff like that,and clam up about Countries that do not!
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thumbs up While I believe power abuses began almost from the start, it is no different than power anywhere.
While this country has things to be truly ashamed of, it has far more to be proud of. (I could come up with pages upon pages of great acts, life-changing inventions, sacrifice for others here & abroad, & generosity at every level that can be attributed to this great country.) Yes, any horrendous acts committed by some in this country, should be brought to light & wrongs made right if possible. (My own family has been affected by at least a couple of government experiments done without our knowledge or consent.)
But to bring these things up as if only the U.S. is ever at fault, while ignoring the enormous atrocities committed by mankind where ever there is power all over this world... all I can say is, on that note I agree with Conrad.

The U.S. was & is one of the most generous countries in the world.
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Oct 4, 2010 3:32 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
Conrad73: what is your take on testing new Medications!
How should it be done?


By you getting to the front of the line, Conrad!
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Oct 4, 2010 3:35 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
Alberta Ghost, you are definitely on the payroll, aren't you?

They are STILL testing and without consent!

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Oct 4, 2010 3:37 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
1996)

Professor Adil E. Shamoo of the University of Maryland and the organization Citizens for Responsible Care and Research sends a written testimony on the unethical use of veterans in medical research to the U.S. Senate's Committee on Governmental Affairs, stating: "This type of research is on-going nationwide in medical centers and VA hospitals supported by tens of millions of dollars of taxpayers money. These experiments are high risk and are abusive, causing not only physical and psychic harm to the most vulnerable groups but also degrading our society’s system of basic human values. Probably tens of thousands of patients are being subjected to such experiments" ("Testimony of Adil E. Shamoo, Ph.D.").

The Department of Defense admits that Gulf War soldiers were exposed to chemical agents; however, 33 percent of all military personnel afflicted with Gulf War Syndrome never left the United States during the war, discrediting the popular mainstream belief that these symptoms are a result of exposure to Iraqi chemical weapons (Merritte, et al.).

President Clinton issues a formal apology to the subjects of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study and their families (Sharav).
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Oct 4, 2010 3:39 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
(1999)

Adil E. Shamoo, Ph.D. testifies on "The Unethical Use of Human Beings in High-Risk Research Experiments" before the U.S. House of Representatives' House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, alerting the House on the use of American veterans in VA Hospitals as human guinea pigs and calling for national reforms ("Testimony of Adil E. Shamoo, Ph.D.").

Doctors at the University of Pennsylvania inject 18-year-old Jesse Gelsinger with an experimental gene therapy as part of an FDA-approved clinical trial. He dies four days later and his father suspects that he was not fully informed of the experiment's risk (Goliszek)

During a clinical trial investigating the effectiveness of Propulsid for infant acid reflux, nine-month-old Gage Stevens dies at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh (Sharav).
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Oct 4, 2010 3:39 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny: Alberta Ghost, you are definitely on the payroll, aren't you?

They are STILL testing and without consent!

Who is Dani Veracity?confused
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Oct 4, 2010 3:44 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
Conrad73: Who is Dani Veracity?


Conrad, is it even possible for you to address the point at hand? I'm not sure if I have ever read a thought that was your own - you always deflect and distract.
The evidence is there - experiments are still being done and we need to stand up in defense of our fellow human beings.
People are waking up, Conrad, your approach is ineffectual....
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Oct 4, 2010 3:49 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
Conrad73: So they poured Gallons of Paint over those poor Children's Heads?



You have proved my point entirely once again, Conrad.
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Oct 4, 2010 3:50 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Conrad73: So they poured Gallons of Paint over those poor Children's Heads?


I was gong to add that providing free medical care and a vaccine is a lot different than injecting people with gonorrhea or syphilis like they used to do.thumbs up
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Oct 4, 2010 3:57 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
murny: (1999)

Adil E. Shamoo, Ph.D. testifies on "The Unethical Use of Human Beings in High-Risk Research Experiments" before the U.S. House of Representatives' House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, alerting the House on the use of American veterans in VA Hospitals as human guinea pigs and calling for national reforms ("Testimony of Adil E. Shamoo, Ph.D.").


rolling on the floor laughing

Hang on a minute. Is this the military that has their guys kill civilians and chop body parts off for trophies?
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Oct 4, 2010 3:59 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
Albertaghost: Hang on a minute. Is this the military that has their guys kill civilians and chop body parts off for trophies?


Seeing that is the best you could come up with, I take that as a real compliment!
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Oct 4, 2010 4:10 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
murny: Seeing that is the best you could come up with, I take that as a real compliment!


Don't. It's a question.
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Oct 4, 2010 4:41 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny: Conrad, is it even possible for you to address the point at hand? I'm not sure if I have ever read a thought that was your own - you always deflect and distract.
The evidence is there - experiments are still being done and we need to stand up in defense of our fellow human beings.
People are waking up, Conrad, your approach is ineffectual....
Got to question your Sources!

And your Sources are,shall we say,less than Impeccable!
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Oct 4, 2010 4:42 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny: You have proved my point entirely once again, Conrad.
But you haven't yours!
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Oct 4, 2010 4:45 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
Conrad73: Got to question your Sources!

And your Sources are,shall we say,less than Impeccable!



There you go again.....
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Oct 4, 2010 4:48 AM CST The U.S., At It Again..Or Should I Say, STILL At It!!
murny: There you go again.....
Dani Veracityconfused
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