Conrad73: Come again? Actually you're feeling the heat from your own attitudes! You think you can go on and on,as you do and not feeling a psychological effect?
No Conrad. Your clan kills people who don't agree with them. You threatening me does but one thing. Confirms to me that I'm getting to you. You may be on the payroll but I am here non-gratis. I really do feel there is a grave injustice going on. And Israel has this perceived alliance with the United States. Which gives the "world" the impression that Americans are in step with this BS. I'm here to challenge that. Understand???
SilverBirch: No Conrad. Your clan kills people who don't agree with them. You threatening me does but one thing. Confirms to me that I'm getting to you. You may be on the payroll but I am here non-gratis. I really do feel there is a grave injustice going on. And Israel has this perceived alliance with the United States. Which gives the "world" the impression that Americans are in step with this BS. I'm here to challenge that. Understand???
Just for alternate views on behalf of all Palestinians and more future Arab refugees:
Copy of a memorandum issued by Bertrand Russell a few hours before his death.( By permission of the Estate of Bertrand Russell)
The development of the crisis in the Middle East is both dangerous and instructive. For over 20 years, Israel has expanded by force of arms. After every stage of this expansion, Israel has appealed to "reason" and has suggested "negotiations". This is the traditional role of the imperial power, because it wishes to consolidate with the least difficulty what it has already taken by violence. Every new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous suggestion. The aggression committed by Israel must be condemned, not only because no state has the right to annex foreign territory, but because every expansion is also an experiment to discover how much more aggression the world will tolerate. The refugees who surround Palestine in their hundreds of thousands were described recently by Washington journalist I. F. Stone as "the moral millstone around the neck of the world Jewry". Many of the refugees are now into the third decade of their precarious existence in temporary settlements. The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was "given' by a foreign power to another foreign people for the creation of a new State. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers have increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of Bertrand Russell January 31, 1970
Nice to see you jump from the 1925 to 1970, SB......another leap in time will put you into year 2000 or better. Then just one small step to make to today....in 2010.
LOL...................
Just maybe.....the Islamic countries should share a bit of their land with the fellow Muslims that have been moved from the region? Just a idea.....It is not like they don't have........millions of acres. Much which is unused.
You can have a divided country. Like Pakistan was. East and west, The land that the Islamic countries give to Abbas and his Palestine to replace the land near Jerasulem....it does not have to be great real estate.
What do you say? Maybe for world peace and for regional stability.....Islamic countries could give Abbas some acres someplace.
And it also came to pass that Jews began arriving in Ottoman Palestine in the late 1800s, after the Russians and the Poles made it clear that they were persona non grata in Eastern Europe. Palestine was as good a place as any to flee to, since it was the last place, about 2,000 years before, in which the Jews had a sovereign state.
Anyway, nowhere else wanted European Jews any more than Russia did, not even America really, where there were very strict quotas, although the Americans, again politely, refrained from all the messy European killing, which was apparently in vogue until after Adolf. Besides, those Ottoman Turks, then as now, were known around the world for their amazing human rights activism and the Jews were excited to see it first hand. No, not really. But…they were better than the Polish peasants. Unless you were Armenian.
It is true that there were people in Palestine before the Jews arrived en masse (for there was always a handful of Jews here), not "A People" per se, but rather a group of assorted regional Arabs who had settled the area with not much agricultural success and had endured various rulers over the millennia.
But when the Jews came back, it was suddenly necessary, once again, to tell them to get the hell out. There was no living side by side, even though that was an express Jewish desire right up until 1947/8, when the Partition Plan was summarily rejected by the Arab League, who started the war that Israel won. If keeping land you win in a war others provoke (when you wanted to make peace) is called occupation, dear Helen, the world’s axis of furious justice has a lot bigger fish to fry than Israel.
The Arab desire to kick the Jews the hell out of Palestine did not begin in 1967, and not in 1948. It began the moment the first groups of Jews arrived and started to make the land flower and produce crops. That’s when the attacks on Jews began, and when the Arab world decided a new Jewish presence in the land would not do, back when there were about half a million Arabs and just under 100,000 Jews in the Holy Land, in the early 1900’s. Twenty percent was too much, apparently, to bear. (The Hebron Massacre of 1929, in which dozens of Jews were killed and wounded, took place long before a single house was built over the Green Line)
I can only imagine how awful it was - probably for both the Arabs and the British - when it became clear we were here to stay and grow to much further percentages. We are that annoying, what with trying to get rid of malaria and swamps and tuberculosis and all that.
At any rate, it seems that every time a Jewish minority starts to make a society too successful, the indigenous people start to feel very uncomfortable, and tells them one way or another to get the hell out.
ttom500: Just for alternate views on behalf of all Palestinians and more future Arab refugees:
Copy of a memorandum issued by Bertrand Russell a few hours before his death.( By permission of the Estate of Bertrand Russell)
The development of the crisis in the Middle East is both dangerous and instructive. For over 20 years, Israel has expanded by force of arms. After every stage of this expansion, Israel has appealed to "reason" and has suggested "negotiations". This is the traditional role of the imperial power, because it wishes to consolidate with the least difficulty what it has already taken by violence. Every new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous suggestion. The aggression committed by Israel must be condemned, not only because no state has the right to annex foreign territory, but because every expansion is also an experiment to discover how much more aggression the world will tolerate. The refugees who surround Palestine in their hundreds of thousands were described recently by Washington journalist I. F. Stone as "the moral millstone around the neck of the world Jewry". Many of the refugees are now into the third decade of their precarious existence in temporary settlements. The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was "given' by a foreign power to another foreign people for the creation of a new State. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers have increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of Bertrand Russell January 31, 1970
Nice to see you jump from the 1925 to 1970, SB......another leap in time will put you into year 2000 or better. Then just one small step to make to today....in 2010.
LOL...................
Just maybe.....the Islamic countries should share a bit of their land with the fellow Muslims that have been moved from the region? Just a idea.....It is not like they don't have........millions of acres. Much which is unused.
You can have a divided country. Like Pakistan was. East and west, The land that the Islamic countries give to Abbas and his Palestine to replace the land near Jerasulem....it does not have to be great real estate.
What do you say? Maybe for world peace and for regional stability.....Islamic countries could give Abbas some acres someplace.
Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, how many times do I have to repeat the same thing. "The settlement are Illegal under "international law". Why can't everyone just obey the law and give back the "annexed" land, go back to the 1967 borders and call it a rap? Why can't you drop the condescending dung and think of a realistic solution?
"At any rate, it seems that every time a Jewish minority starts to make a society too successful, the indigenous people start to feel very uncomfortable, and tells them one way or another to get the hell out."
Lilly, what you view as "successful" is not what I see as successful.
Lilly, Lilly Lilly, No one is telling you to "get the hell out" all we're asking is for your people to "NOT" tell the Palestine s to "get the hell out" of their own land.
SilverBirch: Lilly says:"At any rate, it seems that every time a Jewish minority starts to make a society too successful, the indigenous people start to feel very uncomfortable, and tells them one way or another to get the hell out."
Lilly, what you view as "successful" is not what I see as successful.
Lilly, Lilly Lilly, No one is telling you to "get the hell out" all we're asking is for your people to "NOT" tell the Palestine s to "get the hell out" of their own land.
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