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Dec 10, 2010 8:33 PM CST Israel: War = Expansion
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
SilverBirch: Damn Conrad, There's that "international community" term again?


Would that be the same international community that the Palestinians and Arabs didn't listen to from 1948 onward to present day when they failed to live in peace with the joooos or is that another international community?confused

Silverbunny!rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 10, 2010 8:51 PM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Albertaghost: Silverbunny, Palestinians are free to travel and leave anytime they wish, hell, they even have their own passport so they are hardly living in a prison.

Geesh. Sometimes you are so silly.
Leave and go where? This WAS their home! You to are silly not to understand that. And yes, "international community " is the answer to this stalemate. Told you all along.professor
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Dec 10, 2010 9:00 PM CST Israel: War = Expansion
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
SilverBirch: Leave and go where? This WAS their home! You to are silly not to understand that. And yes, "international community " is the answer to this stalemate. Told you all along.


Go wherever they wish. Hell, if they wish to travel to Israel they can as well once they take out the destruction of Israel clause in their collective charters.

Ansd the international community stated their intent and the israelis adhered to their part of the issue. Palestinians, who never had a home of their own did not and still have no home of their own. And won't until they do adhere to their part of the resolution drawn up by the international community.

Told you this all along as well Bunny Boy.rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 10, 2010 9:25 PM CST Israel: War = Expansion
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
seanieboy77: lads the way i see it is this. I'm looking at a thread here and looking at bullshi*t bein talked........


Good post Sean. I agree that israel is heavy handed and this does not come from being Jeiwsh but rather resigned to the historical certainty that there will never be peace as the Palestinians nor Arabs have never actually proposed and backed an actual plan. So, when confronted with a rock throwing mob, (you I'm sure like I, have had rocks thrown at you by Palestinian teens at some point in your tours), just say the hell with it and respond with force as nothing will change.

In turn, the Palestinians see this as further proof they are dealing with a hate machine and feel justified in furthering any violence they can once their enemy has been dehumanized and feeds the cycle yet again.

Your ideas for a peace between the two?
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Dec 10, 2010 9:32 PM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Well Sean, Not quite sure you've been following my posts to date but to say we are on the same page would be an understatement. If you see my petty yarns on Conrad being over medicated or Alberta being short as sophomoric, I'd agree. Where you chime in support for Al, I can't follow it because he thinks Israel is right in all aspects and positions. confused

The fact that you have served does give you clout. All I see is years and years of collective punishment and military purges. I read many different publications , BBC Al Jazeer, Har'retz, and try and draw from them what IS happening. What I do know is it s a desperate situation and Israel is foot-dragging for a reason, to steal more land under the guise of "state of war" BS.

And by living in the United States we Americans see the "influence peddling Israel does. The Zionist in carefully placed positions, many times purchased with American tax dollars. This makes me and MANY Americans sick.

JMO
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Dec 10, 2010 9:53 PM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
SilverBirch: SOFIA — Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit urged the international community on Wednesday to call an 'end game' in Middle East peace talks and set clear deadlines for reaching Israeli-Palestinian agreement.

"The Egyptian view is as follows: Let's agree on an end game," Gheit said after talks in Sofia with his Bulgarian counterpart Nikolay Mladenov.

"The end game is that the international community, the Quartet -- the Americans, the European Union, the Russian federation as well as the United Nations -- would agree on parameters for the settlement (between the Israelis and Palestinians)," he said.

The US admitted defeat on Wednesday in its efforts to secure an Israeli freeze on West Bank settlement building, a key condition of the Palestinians for resuming peace talks.

Israeli and Palestinian officials are expected to visit Washington next week for separate talks with the US administration on ways to keep the peace process alive.

But Gheit warned that time was limited for reaching a two-state solution to the conflict.

"We continue talking without settlement and we continue haggling without doing any breakthrough, then in a few years there will not be the possibility of two states living side by side," Gheit said.

He urged the drafting either by the United States, the Quartet (UN, US, EU and Russia) or a group of experts of "a framework agreement -- two pages, three pages of grand understanding -- to be offered by the international community to both parties telling them: come forward and negotiate on such basis and on specific time."

"You cannot just have an unlimited period of time," Gheit said.

"I think that the Americans are serious, they want to do business but it is the Israeli obstinacy that is not allowing them to reach that point," he added.Damn Conrad, There's that "international community" term again?
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Dec 11, 2010 12:42 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
somone4u
somone4usomone4uMarseille, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur France21 Threads 5 Polls 307 Posts
SilverBirch: Well Wow, I believe Jesus was a man, who taught peace and compassion.
Mr Silverbirth very sorry to stop you here, I follow your thread (this one here) and i read nearly all of your comments, you are very eloquent and present facts. However, this latest words of yours i think had exaggerate. Jesus seems like he never knew the word peace but probably piece. There must be distinction between what people in the church said about him and what he said or believed. And here i have few words from him which clearly says the opposite of what you think about Jesus Christ. In fact it looks like he was talking to people who think about him like how you appear to be, he said. Mtt 10:34-36 think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law: and a man’s foes MUST BE FROM his own household.
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Dec 11, 2010 1:36 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
somone4u: Hundreds of Israeli rabbis have signed a religious edict forbidding Jews from renting or selling homes or land to Arabs and other non-Jews. The public letter instructs Jews to "ostracise" those who disobey the order, which is widely viewed as an attack on the country's Palestinian citizens.

When the decree was announced on Tuesday, it had been signed by 50 rabbis, many of who are employed by the state of Israel as municipal religious leaders. Despite sharp public criticism, another 250 rabbis have added their names to the proclamation.

It is the latest battle in the ongoing religious campaign against non-Jews.

A similar edict was issued in the city of Safed less than two months ago, when over a dozen rabbis banded together to urge Jewish landlords not to rent apartments to Arab college students.|

African refugees - a group the state refers to as "infiltrators" - and migrant workers have also been targeted. This summer, 25 Tel Aviv rabbis signed a proclamation that forbids Jews from renting to "infiltrators". Ten real estate agents who work in neighbourhoods that are home to large populations of African refugees answered the call, publicly.
As if Palestinians would rent,or sell Properties to Israelis in the Westbank!
Or is an Israeli allowed to hold Land in Saudi Arabia,Emirates,Syria?


No Country in the World encourages Illegal Immigrants!
Have seen the problem firsthand in the Westindies!
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Dec 11, 2010 1:57 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
Albertaghost: Would that be the same international community that the Palestinians and Arabs didn't listen to from 1948 onward to present day when they failed to live in peace with the joooos or is that another international community?

Silverbunny!
The very same!laugh
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Dec 11, 2010 2:12 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch: the difference between you and I is that people who support my position come by and lay powerful posts that point to the fallacy of your apartheid insanity. And the Bertrand Russell piece says it all! Today s situation paraphrased 40 years ago, almost to the day! Yet your jackal pack just pops up to insult and repeat the same old crap. Albertoe is the lamest. With his megalomania. Its comical.
Yep,Rather Red Than Dead-Bertie!
doh

The Soviet Union is gone, and while nominal Communism lingers in Cuba, China, Vietnam and North Korea, Communism as a global magnet for intellectuals is gone. One preposterous claim, seriously advanced by some intellectuals, is that they played a role in the downfall of Communism, when in fact they obstructed and ridiculed opposition to Communism at every turn. But surely the most wonderful irony is that the CIA set up front foundations during the Cold War to fund leftist intellectuals and thereby provide an alternative to Marxism. Bertrand Russell, the archetypical anti-Western Cold War intellectual, was actually covertly subsidized by the CIA. I love it. Russell, to me, symbolizes everything that made the Twentieth Century a scientific golden age and a philosophical desert, a thinker whose reputation was based solely on his own hype machine. With his colossal ego, he never for a moment suspected that his funding was anything other than richly deserved. The irony is beautiful.laugh


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Dec 11, 2010 4:35 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch: JERUSALEM — Israeli police were accused of "flagrant violations" of the law Thursday over their harsh and at times violent treatment of Palestinian children suspected of stone-throwing in east Jerusalem.

The allegations were detailed in a letter sent to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by a group of 60 Israeli professionals, among them experts in medicine, psychology, education, social work and law -- all of whom work with children.

The letter expresses concern about the growing number of testimonies submitted by Palestinian minors who have been arrested by police in occupied and annexed east Jerusalem, notably in the flashpoint neighbourhood of Silwan.

"We are writing ... to express our deep concerns about the physical and emotional welfare and proper development of children and young people in east Jerusalem in the light of police behaviour during the investigation and arrest of minors in this area," it said.

"Over the last few months, there has been a growing number of testimonies of minors and their families which point to flagrant violations of the rights of detained minors, and of the use of violence during the investigation of children and young people who are suspected of throwing stones in Silwan."

Youngsters have testified how they were dragged out of bed in the dead of the night, cuffed and taken for investigation without being accompanied by their parents -- and sometimes without their family even being informed, it said.

During the investigation, "they suffered threats and humiliation at the hand of the investigators .. which sometimes involved substantial physical violence," it said, noting with concern the arrests of children under the age of 12.
You should try get a one-Pound Rock thrown at your Head some day!
Really Eye-Closing!
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Dec 11, 2010 7:35 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
somone4u
somone4usomone4uMarseille, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur France21 Threads 5 Polls 307 Posts
Conrad73: As if Palestinians would rent,or sell Properties to Israelis in the Westbank!
Or is an Israeli allowed to hold Land in Saudi Arabia,Emirates,Syria?No Country in the World encourages Illegal Immigrants!
Have seen the problem firsthand in the Westindies!

One of the misguided, saddest and dangerous views i ever expected for Palestinians to be called illegal immigrant in the land their forefathers were born they lived the all of their lives while any Jew no matter where he/she was born but he/she is a full citizen of Palestinian land now been named Israel. It’s very sad realty.

Prophesier Shlomo Sand in his most recent book “the Invention of the Jewish People “did spoke about these very dangerous minds like the one who gave this comment here. However, the book was excellent and well welcome all over the world but to the Jewish extremists they call him anti Jew.

I know that some people are very less informed, and yet they like to talk to much; this itself is another tragedy. Doesn’t Christians, Jews and faithless who are citizens of these countries mentioned by Conrad did owns things in the countries mentioned above? Start from irag & Iran didn’t non Muslims lived freely in these country for generations until christianists hatred instigators like Bush & Blair invaded these countries and start setting up people against each other? Didn’t the open and known Christian Tariq Aziz worked with Saddam and those evil people for years? How much this people knows before they come to write this nonsense here?

I remember an African story of a family was permanently working for a white farmer, the father & his sons were living and working for the Whitman. One weekend the farm worker and his two sons came to the town and on Sunday they went to the church, there in the church they found the church leader or pastor is another Whiteman.

During the ceremony the small son was not concentrated to the prayers until his brother whisper on him to concentrate; the small told the big brother that “i need the phone number of god”: his big brother said: you must be crazy, god doesn’t have a phone number; but anyway what you want do with the phone number of god? The small brother responds; you can see that whites are also the bosses here and i want call god to warn & remind him what happen with our fathers and us.

White people when they came to this African land they found our fathers with the land but now everyone can see that we had been degraded from owners to beggars. So, i am worry that the soon god allow this whites to get into heaven they will kick him out of heaven and do to him what they did to us, so god should be very careful.

Here Palestinians saw and know what had happen to them in the last sixty years so what lesson they should learn?
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Dec 11, 2010 7:51 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Someone4u, I understand your anger. Here you see me calling the Israeli position "apartheid" and "collective punishment" yet my forefathers committed genocide on the indigenous people of my country.
And the sickest twist to this is that now that the white man here in the United States have succeeded in this massacre many, many white people and others love to boast of ANY fragment of American Indian heritage, either real or fabricated, that they might have. Many Americans see the Indians as brave, resourceful naturalist. That,(now that we've wiped them out) should be revered. And honored.

I've even asked people here that I argue with what do they think the rank and file Israeli will do after THEY wipe out the Palestine s? Will they too go around boasting of Palestinian heritage so as to appear "brave" and "honorable"? Very strange. confused
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Dec 11, 2010 7:52 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
somone4u: One of the misguided, saddest and dangerous views i ever expected for Palestinians to be called illegal immigrant in the land their forefathers were born they lived the all of their lives while any Jew no matter where he/she was born but he/she is a full citizen of Palestinian land now been named Israel. It’s very sad realty.

Prophesier Shlomo Sand in his most recent book “the Invention of the Jewish People “did spoke about these very dangerous minds like the one who gave this comment here. However, the book was excellent and well welcome all over the world but to the Jewish extremists they call him anti Jew.

I know that some people are very less informed, and yet they like to talk to much; this itself is another tragedy. Doesn’t Christians, Jews and faithless who are citizens of these countries mentioned by Conrad did owns things in the countries mentioned above? Start from irag & Iran didn’t non Muslims lived freely in these country for generations until christianists hatred instigators like Bush & Blair invaded these countries and start setting up people against each other? Didn’t the open and known Christian Tariq Aziz worked with Saddam and those evil people for years? How much this people knows before they come to write this nonsense here?

I remember an African story of a family was permanently working for a white farmer, the father & his sons were living and working for the Whitman. One weekend the farm worker and his two sons came to the town and on Sunday they went to the church, there in the church they found the church leader or pastor is another Whiteman.

During the ceremony the small son was not concentrated to the prayers until his brother whisper on him to concentrate; the small told the big brother that “i need the phone number of god”: his big brother said: you must be crazy, god doesn’t have a phone number; but anyway what you want do with the phone number of god? The small brother responds; you can see that whites are also the bosses here and i want call god to warn & remind him what happen with our fathers and us.

White people when they came to this African land they found our fathers with the land but now everyone can see that we had been degraded from owners to beggars. So, i am worry that the soon god allow this whites to get into heaven they will kick him out of heaven and do to him what they did to us, so god should be very careful.

Here Palestinians saw and know what had happen to them in the last sixty years so what lesson they should learn?
Not talking about the Palestinians!
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Dec 11, 2010 8:00 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
Conrad73: Not talking about the Palestinians!
Actually talking about Illegal Immigrants from Africa!
No Country can afford them!
Besides they get in harms way in the Sinai,way before some even reach Israel,Egypt or Jordan!conversing
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Dec 11, 2010 8:01 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch: Someone4u, I understand your anger. Here you see me calling the Israeli position "apartheid" and "collective punishment" yet my forefathers committed genocide on the indigenous people of my country.
And the sickest twist to this is that now that the white man here in the United States have succeeded in this massacre many, many white people and others love to boast of ANY fragment of American Indian heritage, either real or fabricated, that they might have. Many Americans see the Indians as brave, resourceful naturalist. That,(now that we've wiped them out) should be revered. And honored.

I've even asked people here that I argue with what do they think the rank and file Israeli will do after THEY wipe out the Palestine s? Will they too go around boasting of Palestinian heritage so as to appear "brave" and "honorable"? Very strange.
blah blah blah You're obfuscating again!
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Dec 11, 2010 8:20 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Conrad73: You're obfuscating again!
No Rabbi, Its a VERY REAL AND PERTINENT ANALOGY. With all due respect.professor
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Dec 11, 2010 10:47 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
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* Published 16:42 11.12.10
* Latest update 16:42 11.12.10

Palestinians: Clinton should have blamed Israel for failure of Mideast talks
In speech on Friday, U.S. secretary of state said both Israel and the Palestinians bear responsibility for the collapse of the recent direct peace negotiations.
By The Associated Press and Haaretz Service Tags: Middle East peace Hillary Clinton Palestinian Authority

Palestinian officials said that U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton should have blamed Israel for the failure of the latest Mideast efforts

The officials reacted on Saturday to a Clinton speech before Brookings Institution's Saban Center for Middle East Policy's seventh annual forum in Washington, in which she said Israelis and Palestinians both bear responsibility for the failure of the direct talks that took place in September.

In her speech on Friday, Clinton criticized the leadership of both Israel and the Palestinian Authority, saying they had "not yet made the difficult decisions that peace requires. Like many of you, I regret that we have not gotten farther, faster.

I'd say its time for international intervention.
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Dec 11, 2010 10:50 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
SilverBirch: *

* Published 16:42 11.12.10
* Latest update 16:42 11.12.10

Palestinians: Clinton should have blamed Israel for failure of Mideast talks
In speech on Friday, U.S. secretary of state said both Israel and the Palestinians bear responsibility for the collapse of the recent direct peace negotiations.
By The Associated Press and Haaretz Service Tags: Middle East peace Hillary Clinton Palestinian Authority

Palestinian officials said that U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton should have blamed Israel for the failure of the latest Mideast efforts

The officials reacted on Saturday to a Clinton speech before Brookings Institution's Saban Center for Middle East Policy's seventh annual forum in Washington, in which she said Israelis and Palestinians both bear responsibility for the failure of the direct talks that took place in September.

In her speech on Friday, Clinton criticized the leadership of both Israel and the Palestinian Authority, saying they had "not yet made the difficult decisions that peace requires. Like many of you, I regret that we have not gotten farther, faster.

I'd say its time for international intervention.
Like what?
SB picking up an M-16?rolling on the floor laughing blah

Palestinians could have come to thew Table at the beginning of the Moratorium,not at just about the End!
Yet you claim they want Peace!rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 11, 2010 10:52 AM CST Israel: War = Expansion
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
SilverBirch: *

* Published 16:42 11.12.10
* Latest update 16:42 11.12.10

Palestinians: Clinton should have blamed Israel for failure of Mideast talks
In speech on Friday, U.S. secretary of state said both Israel and the Palestinians bear responsibility for the collapse of the recent direct peace negotiations.
By The Associated Press and Haaretz Service Tags: Middle East peace Hillary Clinton Palestinian Authority

Palestinian officials said that U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton should have blamed Israel for the failure of the latest Mideast efforts

The officials reacted on Saturday to a Clinton speech before Brookings Institution's Saban Center for Middle East Policy's seventh annual forum in Washington, in which she said Israelis and Palestinians both bear responsibility for the failure of the direct talks that took place in September.

In her speech on Friday, Clinton criticized the leadership of both Israel and the Palestinian Authority, saying they had "not yet made the difficult decisions that peace requires. Like many of you, I regret that we have not gotten farther, faster.

I'd say its time for international intervention.
Try the Religious threads for the answer IT IS GODS FAULT.....It is the will of God. Have Faith......Obfuscate that point rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing grin cheers
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