CREATONISM - Another Catholic Joke (90)
jac379: How would you verify that in order for it to be fact, rather than belief?
A fact does not have to be a physical or proveable thing. In the case of imagination or belief it is merely a fact that this is what the person in their own mind believes. It does not make it factually correct that their beliefs are real outside of their mind but purely a fact that they belive something to be real.
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54xmax: Yeah one could say that - - - the problem is, that following one's conscience is more often then not in certain situations hard to do - - - especially if you see that majority people are hiding behind religion, misinterpreting it, or bending what ever holy books are teaching to their own agenda . . .and if you do not go with majority, if you follow your conscience your life becomes hard . . I hope you understand what I was trying to say here - - - it makes perfect sense in my head But there are people that don't follow the rest of the sheep, they follow their own conscience and THAT is to be respected . . .
I do not follow any organised religions and don't belong to any groups - exactly, because I decided to test all the fundamental biblical beliefs and found most of them incorrect.
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revealer24: I do not follow any organised religions and don't belong to any groups - exactly, because I decided to test all the fundamental biblical beliefs and found most of them incorrect.
Me too
- - - it defies the logic, and it defies common sense 
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TallPete: A fact does not have to be a physical or proveable thing. In the case of imagination or belief it is merely a fact that this is what the person in their own mind believes. It does not make it factually correct that their beliefs are real outside of their mind but purely a fact that they belive something to be real.
Would it be correct to call such a "Fact" a Phantasmagorum?
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Science or religion, what's the difference ?. . .
. . . . .Well science knows the speed of light. . . .
. . . . .but only God knows the speed of dark ! . . . . .
. . . . .Well science knows the speed of light. . . . . . . . .but only God knows the speed of dark ! . . . . .------ This thread is Archived ------
54xmax: Me too - - - it defies the logic, and it defies common sense
But I think the difference is I seriously studied the bible and reworked biblical theology - and funny it is, it turned out quite a few people around the world came to very similar conclusions.
If I am correct you are an atheist. I was brought up as an atheist, and became a Christian later on in my life. I even studied in theological college. Then it happened that I tested the fundamentals and found them wrong. I did not become an atheist again.
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"GOD" could show-up in a Clown Suit ....and there are many who would follow him .......
Halleluhah !! 
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revealer24: I am not going to argue with you, Mr Knowitall. Maybe start by examining the heads if these scientists:
I note Eistein is on the list so I gave up looking at the rest
If Albert Einstein believed in anything he would call a "god," it wasn't the sort of god which religious theists today typically believe in. Einstein explicitly rejected the possible existence of any sort of "personal god" which could care about human existence, would interact with us, or would answer prayers. In fact, Einstein went so far as to argue that belief in such a god was a legacy of humanity's primitive existence when we created such supernatural beings to explain events around us.
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i heard on the radio today that only 18% of people in ireland now go to mass on a sunday
religion is dieing,especially the catholic religion and traditional protestant ones
religion is dieing,especially the catholic religion and traditional protestant ones
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Albert_Einstein: .I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
I'm afraid the previous list is wrong
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54xmax: Yeah one could say that - - - the problem is, that following one's conscience is more often then not in certain situations hard to do - - - especially if you see that majority people are hiding behind religion, misinterpreting it, or bending what ever holy books are teaching to their own agenda . . .and if you do not go with majority, if you follow your conscience your life becomes hard . . I hope you understand what I was trying to say here - - - it makes perfect sense in my head But there are people that don't follow the rest of the sheep, they follow their own conscience and THAT is to be respected . . .
I think any Atheist society proves you don't need a God for there to be a herd. The sheep will find a new shepherd.
I don't believe in organised religion. But I also don't believe in kicking a dog when it's down.
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Lets just be clear here - to believe in 'a God' does not neccessarily mean that one believes in 'creationism'
To believe in creationism does automatically imply belief in a higher 'godlike' power that did the creating.
.. and to believe in 'a god' does not neccessarily mean a supernatural all powerful omnipotent spiritual being... dont forget that when Europeans first visited (for example) South America or the South Sea Islands, they were themselves considered gods by the indiginous population. We (the global human community) could now be the equivalent of the south sea islanders : our 'gods' could be little green spacemen for all we know (after all there are plenty of odd things in the bible..)
The fat is - we'll never know .
To believe in creationism does automatically imply belief in a higher 'godlike' power that did the creating.
.. and to believe in 'a god' does not neccessarily mean a supernatural all powerful omnipotent spiritual being... dont forget that when Europeans first visited (for example) South America or the South Sea Islands, they were themselves considered gods by the indiginous population. We (the global human community) could now be the equivalent of the south sea islanders : our 'gods' could be little green spacemen for all we know (after all there are plenty of odd things in the bible..)
The fat is - we'll never know .
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theoldestdear: I note Eistein is on the list so I gave up looking at the rest
If Albert Einstein believed in anything he would call a "god," it wasn't the sort of god which religious theists today typically believe in. Einstein explicitly rejected the possible existence of any sort of "personal god" which could care about human existence, would interact with us, or would answer prayers. In fact, Einstein went so far as to argue that belief in such a god was a legacy of humanity's primitive existence when we created such supernatural beings to explain events around us.
If Albert Einstein believed in anything he would call a "god," it wasn't the sort of god which religious theists today typically believe in. Einstein explicitly rejected the possible existence of any sort of "personal god" which could care about human existence, would interact with us, or would answer prayers. In fact, Einstein went so far as to argue that belief in such a god was a legacy of humanity's primitive existence when we created such supernatural beings to explain events around us.
Hey man Good to see you still here, it's pleasure to read your posts on forums
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Lets just be clear here - to believe in 'a God' does not neccessarily mean that one believes in 'creationism' - - - I agree
To believe in creationism does automatically imply belief in a higher 'godlike' power that did the creating. - - - I do not agree, cos these two beliefs are tightly bound together, and one HAS to believe in the bible as gods word, there for in god - - - to also believe in to creationism - - - The basis of Creationism is belief in god in “his” version of how the world was created
To believe in creationism does automatically imply belief in a higher 'godlike' power that did the creating. - - - I do not agree, cos these two beliefs are tightly bound together, and one HAS to believe in the bible as gods word, there for in god - - - to also believe in to creationism - - - The basis of Creationism is belief in god in “his” version of how the world was created
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54xmax: - - I do not agree, cos these two beliefs are tightly bound together, and one HAS to believe in the bible as gods word, there for in god - - - to also believe in to creationism - - - The basis of Creationism is belief in god in “his” version of how the world was created
Thats what I said --- To believe in creationism does automatically imply belief in a higher 'godlike' power that did the creating.
did you mis-read a 'not' in there ..?
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victor_meldrew: Thats what I said --- To believe in creationism does automatically imply belief in a higher 'godlike' power that did the creating.
did you mis-read a 'not' in there ..?
did you mis-read a 'not' in there ..?
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54xmax: What is your opinion on the “CREATONISM” - - - this question is mostly for religious people, who say they believe in god, and that the bible is the word of god - - - and as this “CREATONISM” - - - - is a result of what is written in the bible about the history of man, and the world - - - -
For those who do not know what CREATINISM is - - - - It is the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being. In effect it claims that the world is 8000 – 10000 years old, that we were made by god, ( Adam and Eve ) - - - - that dinosaur fossils and all the other scientific evidence, and proof of evolution - - - is just the Devil testing our faith . . . they disregard all, and any science, and they say that science has an agenda cos it “changes it's mind quite often” - - - Even thou it proved beyond dispute, for example, the shape of the Earth ( For those who still don't know it is not FLAT ) Basically changing it's mind AFTER it god new evidence, that disregarded old knowledge of it.
Personally I believe that any person who actually believes in this Creationism, should have it's head examined - - - Jet movements - - especially in the states are promoting the idea of teaching Creationism in schools instead of evolution and science. Trying to turn the time back in to dark ages, making people stupid. Last such attempt was in Luisiana - - Luckily it was deterred for the time being ( I live in Europe, and have nothing to do with the states, but still it shows, that if people are so STUPID, to believe this Creationism, and that they are actually able to try, and pass the law, to make future generations stupid as well . . generations that will go out in to the world, and commit atrocities In the name of god, and their beliefs - - - the same way they did in middle ages ( Crusades, Inquisition . . . ectr. )). That simple fact makes me believe they should be stopped in their attempts of legalised brainwashing ( There is already enough of that as it is ).
For those who do not know what CREATINISM is - - - - It is the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being. In effect it claims that the world is 8000 – 10000 years old, that we were made by god, ( Adam and Eve ) - - - - that dinosaur fossils and all the other scientific evidence, and proof of evolution - - - is just the Devil testing our faith . . . they disregard all, and any science, and they say that science has an agenda cos it “changes it's mind quite often” - - - Even thou it proved beyond dispute, for example, the shape of the Earth ( For those who still don't know it is not FLAT ) Basically changing it's mind AFTER it god new evidence, that disregarded old knowledge of it.
Personally I believe that any person who actually believes in this Creationism, should have it's head examined - - - Jet movements - - especially in the states are promoting the idea of teaching Creationism in schools instead of evolution and science. Trying to turn the time back in to dark ages, making people stupid. Last such attempt was in Luisiana - - Luckily it was deterred for the time being ( I live in Europe, and have nothing to do with the states, but still it shows, that if people are so STUPID, to believe this Creationism, and that they are actually able to try, and pass the law, to make future generations stupid as well . . generations that will go out in to the world, and commit atrocities In the name of god, and their beliefs - - - the same way they did in middle ages ( Crusades, Inquisition . . . ectr. )). That simple fact makes me believe they should be stopped in their attempts of legalised brainwashing ( There is already enough of that as it is ).
You've been here 31 years and already you know all the answers!
Have you been reading heads?
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BB_snickers: You've been here 31 years and already you know all the answers!
Have you been reading heads?
Have you been reading heads?
And that is an argument on what
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Ladefoss23: fish in fish tank thinks fish tank is all there is.
Mr OP can u name one, just one thing that was made by itself and just apeared out of the blue?
wha u call sience is a serios of trial and wrrors by people like stephan hokins, which has destroyed the life, nature universe etc..if one looks at the wast universe with billions of starts and still think nobody has crated them , needs to have his head examined.
and this WAS NOT a religous speech
Mr OP can u name one, just one thing that was made by itself and just apeared out of the blue?
wha u call sience is a serios of trial and wrrors by people like stephan hokins, which has destroyed the life, nature universe etc..if one looks at the wast universe with billions of starts and still think nobody has crated them , needs to have his head examined.
and this WAS NOT a religous speech
good point made, maybe that is why in the bible there is no reference to dinosaurs, the earth being older than 10,000 years, the bible is mans interpretation of 'gods' word but i guess god forgot to tighten up his story, or maybe because u cant write about something we havent discovered yet, science only has one interpretation and that is facts and data
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