IN DEFENSE OF THE ALPHA MALE (251)
moodyblues: I hear a lot about women wanting "sensitive and caring" men and I know exactly what you mean. But sometimes I think we are steadily emasculating our men. A man should be a man, otherwise I might as well live with a woman. Rough hands, strong shoulders, not too much interest in your period pains, no interest in your best friend's marital problems. I've seen men choosing crockery and curtains with their women. Really? Let men be men - let them piss in the yard and get drunk and go to the occassional strip club. A man will never fully understand your hormones and issues - as long as he gives you a pain pill and a cup of tea, get whatever else you need from your girl friends, sisters, daughters, mothers.
So, men who have an interest in the home and decor are not men?
Men who care about friends difficulties are not men?
So, when you and your man are having difficulties, you don't want him to have any prior knowledge, experience, understanding, or desire to resolve issues because its not in his job description to do that sort of thing? You want your needs ignored?
Let him "get drunk and go to the occassional strip club" (golly, what a sophisticate). Is that like "letting" a child have sweeties? So, you want to be in control of men's behaviour?
I have preferences. I prefer men with the intelligence to interact with me. I don't want to control anyone, but myself. I will however, speak my mind to help redress the balance regarding gender inequality:
I don't want to be around men that try to control women.
I don't want to be around men that are insensitive and careless enough to deny that women are their equal.
I don't want to be around men who are insensitive and careless enough to abandon their children and not take responsibility for their actions.
That is my choice.
PS. I don't care if he pisses in the yard like the dog, as long as he cleans up after both. Manly bonding 'n all that.
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jac379: So, men who have an interest in the home and decor are not men?
Men who care about friends difficulties are not men?
So, when you and your man are having difficulties, you don't want him to have any prior knowledge, experience, understanding, or desire to resolve issues because its not in his job description to do that sort of thing? You want your needs ignored?
Let him "get drunk and go to the occassional strip club" (golly, what a sophisticate). Is that like "letting" a child have sweeties? So, you want to be in control of men's behaviour?
I have preferences. I prefer men with the intelligence to interact with me. I don't want to control anyone, but myself. I will however, speak my mind to help redress the balance regarding gender inequality:
I don't want to be around men that try to control women.
I don't want to be around men that are insensitive and careless enough to deny that women are their equal.
I don't want to be around men who are insensitive and careless enough to abandon their children and not take responsibility for their actions.
That is my choice.
PS. I don't care if he pisses in the yard like the dog, as long as he cleans up after both. Manly bonding 'n all that.
Men who care about friends difficulties are not men?
So, when you and your man are having difficulties, you don't want him to have any prior knowledge, experience, understanding, or desire to resolve issues because its not in his job description to do that sort of thing? You want your needs ignored?
Let him "get drunk and go to the occassional strip club" (golly, what a sophisticate). Is that like "letting" a child have sweeties? So, you want to be in control of men's behaviour?
I have preferences. I prefer men with the intelligence to interact with me. I don't want to control anyone, but myself. I will however, speak my mind to help redress the balance regarding gender inequality:
I don't want to be around men that try to control women.
I don't want to be around men that are insensitive and careless enough to deny that women are their equal.
I don't want to be around men who are insensitive and careless enough to abandon their children and not take responsibility for their actions.
That is my choice.
PS. I don't care if he pisses in the yard like the dog, as long as he cleans up after both. Manly bonding 'n all that.
gr8 post jac with many brilliant and valid questions and points of view sweetie!!!
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jac379: So, men who have an interest in the home and decor are not men?
Men who care about friends difficulties are not men?
So, when you and your man are having difficulties, you don't want him to have any prior knowledge, experience, understanding, or desire to resolve issues because its not in his job description to do that sort of thing? You want your needs ignored?
Let him "get drunk and go to the occassional strip club" (golly, what a sophisticate). Is that like "letting" a child have sweeties? So, you want to be in control of men's behaviour?
I have preferences. I prefer men with the intelligence to interact with me. I don't want to control anyone, but myself. I will however, speak my mind to help redress the balance regarding gender inequality:
I don't want to be around men that try to control women.
I don't want to be around men that are insensitive and careless enough to deny that women are their equal.
I don't want to be around men who are insensitive and careless enough to abandon their children and not take responsibility for their actions.
That is my choice.
PS. I don't care if he pisses in the yard like the dog, as long as he cleans up after both. Manly bonding 'n all that.
For me personally, I don't want a man who has an interest in decor. Real men don't abandon their children but they don't get involved in the colour of the curtains either. Neither do they want to hump every woman that is attractive to them. That's my personal opinion. I don't want to be a man's equal. And I always let children have sweeties.Men who care about friends difficulties are not men?
So, when you and your man are having difficulties, you don't want him to have any prior knowledge, experience, understanding, or desire to resolve issues because its not in his job description to do that sort of thing? You want your needs ignored?
Let him "get drunk and go to the occassional strip club" (golly, what a sophisticate). Is that like "letting" a child have sweeties? So, you want to be in control of men's behaviour?
I have preferences. I prefer men with the intelligence to interact with me. I don't want to control anyone, but myself. I will however, speak my mind to help redress the balance regarding gender inequality:
I don't want to be around men that try to control women.
I don't want to be around men that are insensitive and careless enough to deny that women are their equal.
I don't want to be around men who are insensitive and careless enough to abandon their children and not take responsibility for their actions.
That is my choice.
PS. I don't care if he pisses in the yard like the dog, as long as he cleans up after both. Manly bonding 'n all that.
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Its interesting that you havent noticed that like everything else in life the "Alpha Male" model has and will continue to evolve.
The Alpha male you refer to is at best, a throwback to the 70's and 80's, why, if you think back even further to the times when the alpha male was the sole breadwinner and etiquette demanded that his meals were on the table when he finished work, the housework and children were tended to by the time he got home and the housewife was at his beck and call in a life long sentence of indentured servitude.
The Alpha males of today, have developed and evolved, i have actually gone with a male friend of mine and stood in a store and argued about the merits of thread counts in bed sheets, now, we are both ex rugby players, we still drink (and know our limits) strip clubs bore us to no end, and if we had to fight for survival we would and have no compunction about doing so.
The difference is that we are much more smarter than our predecessors and we realise that its not all about us.
Or is it that personally you just prefer the old knuckle draggers?
The Alpha male you refer to is at best, a throwback to the 70's and 80's, why, if you think back even further to the times when the alpha male was the sole breadwinner and etiquette demanded that his meals were on the table when he finished work, the housework and children were tended to by the time he got home and the housewife was at his beck and call in a life long sentence of indentured servitude.
The Alpha males of today, have developed and evolved, i have actually gone with a male friend of mine and stood in a store and argued about the merits of thread counts in bed sheets, now, we are both ex rugby players, we still drink (and know our limits) strip clubs bore us to no end, and if we had to fight for survival we would and have no compunction about doing so.
The difference is that we are much more smarter than our predecessors and we realise that its not all about us.
Or is it that personally you just prefer the old knuckle draggers?
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they need to add a caveman emoticon
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jac379: So, men who have an interest in the home and decor are not men?
Men who care about friends difficulties are not men?
So, when you and your man are having difficulties, you don't want him to have any prior knowledge, experience, understanding, or desire to resolve issues because its not in his job description to do that sort of thing? You want your needs ignored?
Let him "get drunk and go to the occassional strip club" (golly, what a sophisticate). Is that like "letting" a child have sweeties? So, you want to be in control of men's behaviour?
I have preferences. I prefer men with the intelligence to interact with me. I don't want to control anyone, but myself. I will however, speak my mind to help redress the balance regarding gender inequality:
I don't want to be around men that try to control women.
I don't want to be around men that are insensitive and careless enough to deny that women are their equal.
I don't want to be around men who are insensitive and careless enough to abandon their children and not take responsibility for their actions.
That is my choice.
PS. I don't care if he pisses in the yard like the dog, as long as he cleans up after both. Manly bonding 'n all that.
Men who care about friends difficulties are not men?
So, when you and your man are having difficulties, you don't want him to have any prior knowledge, experience, understanding, or desire to resolve issues because its not in his job description to do that sort of thing? You want your needs ignored?
Let him "get drunk and go to the occassional strip club" (golly, what a sophisticate). Is that like "letting" a child have sweeties? So, you want to be in control of men's behaviour?
I have preferences. I prefer men with the intelligence to interact with me. I don't want to control anyone, but myself. I will however, speak my mind to help redress the balance regarding gender inequality:
I don't want to be around men that try to control women.
I don't want to be around men that are insensitive and careless enough to deny that women are their equal.
I don't want to be around men who are insensitive and careless enough to abandon their children and not take responsibility for their actions.
That is my choice.
PS. I don't care if he pisses in the yard like the dog, as long as he cleans up after both. Manly bonding 'n all that.
thank you for phrasing so well what I'd like to say but don't have time to compose because I must get to the officelet everyone be responsible for their behaviors and choices men & women both, but the kind of man described in the OP sounds morally bankrupt and boring - to me anyway
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DjWabbet: Its interesting that you havent noticed that like everything else in life the "Alpha Male" model has and will continue to evolve.
The Alpha male you refer to is at best, a throwback to the 70's and 80's, why, if you think back even further to the times when the alpha male was the sole breadwinner and etiquette demanded that his meals were on the table when he finished work, the housework and children were tended to by the time he got home and the housewife was at his beck and call in a life long sentence of indentured servitude.
The Alpha males of today, have developed and evolved, i have actually gone with a male friend of mine and stood in a store and argued about the merits of thread counts in bed sheets, now, we are both ex rugby players, we still drink (and know our limits) strip clubs bore us to no end, and if we had to fight for survival we would and have no compunction about doing so.
The difference is that we are much more smarter than our predecessors and we realise that its not all about us.
Or is it that personally you just prefer the old knuckle draggers?
It's just that if I had to pick between a knuckle dragger and a man who has monthly facials - I'd pick the knuckle dragger. Sorry, just different things for different people.The Alpha male you refer to is at best, a throwback to the 70's and 80's, why, if you think back even further to the times when the alpha male was the sole breadwinner and etiquette demanded that his meals were on the table when he finished work, the housework and children were tended to by the time he got home and the housewife was at his beck and call in a life long sentence of indentured servitude.
The Alpha males of today, have developed and evolved, i have actually gone with a male friend of mine and stood in a store and argued about the merits of thread counts in bed sheets, now, we are both ex rugby players, we still drink (and know our limits) strip clubs bore us to no end, and if we had to fight for survival we would and have no compunction about doing so.
The difference is that we are much more smarter than our predecessors and we realise that its not all about us.
Or is it that personally you just prefer the old knuckle draggers?
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moodyblues: For me personally, I don't want a man who has an interest in decor. Real men don't abandon their children but they don't get involved in the colour of the curtains either. Neither do they want to hump every woman that is attractive to them. That's my personal opinion. I don't want to be a man's equal. And I always let children have sweeties.
Your attitude saddens me.
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moodyblues: I hear a lot about women wanting "sensitive and caring" men and I know exactly what you mean. But sometimes I think we are steadily emasculating our men. A man should be a man, otherwise I might as well live with a woman. Rough hands, strong shoulders, not too much interest in your period pains, no interest in your best friend's marital problems. I've seen men choosing crockery and curtains with their women. Really? Let men be men - let them piss in the yard and get drunk and go to the occassional strip club. A man will never fully understand your hormones and issues - as long as he gives you a pain pill and a cup of tea, get whatever else you need from your girl friends, sisters, daughters, mothers.
I like my men strong and masculine, but they must also have a sensitive and caring side.....but I certainly would not like someone who P...s in the yard as you say, get drunk and spend time in strip joints
I lived in SA 20 years - knew lots of married couples - strong masculine Afrikaans guys...but who were well mannered, considerate and just as ready to lend an ear - also met some nice single guys -
Have men in SA changed that much? I dont think so
and to all the guys out there nothing wrong with showing a sensitive side to your nature...we are all human - Male or Female...not robots
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moodyblues: For me personally, I don't want a man who has an interest in decor. Real men don't abandon their children but they don't get involved in the colour of the curtains either. Neither do they want to hump every woman that is attractive to them. That's my personal opinion. I don't want to be a man's equal. And I always let children have sweeties.
preference for healthy snacks here and men who hand at the gym- not the joint
tho the sweets are a good occasional treat
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Enlightening thread
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dolphin1: I like my men strong and masculine, but they must also have a sensitive and caring side.....but I certainly would not like someone who P...s in the yard as you say, get drunk and spend time in strip joints
I lived in SA 20 years - knew lots of married couples - strong masculine Afrikaans guys...but who were well mannered, considerate and just as ready to lend an ear - also met some nice single guys -
Have men in SA changed that much? I dont think so
and to all the guys out there nothing wrong with showing a sensitive side to your nature...we are all human - Male or Female...not robots
Mmm. Must have been a while back. No, I'm kidding. You still find them but very few. The women tend to rule the roost and have the loudest voices and that's what I don't like. But like I said before - to each his own.I lived in SA 20 years - knew lots of married couples - strong masculine Afrikaans guys...but who were well mannered, considerate and just as ready to lend an ear - also met some nice single guys -
Have men in SA changed that much? I dont think so
and to all the guys out there nothing wrong with showing a sensitive side to your nature...we are all human - Male or Female...not robots
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moodyblues: Mmm. Must have been a while back. No, I'm kidding. You still find them but very few. The women tend to rule the roost and have the loudest voices and that's what I don't like. But like I said before - to each his own.
10 years ago :( still miss it like crazy.
Yes some of the women rule the roost - but not all - and another thing I liked about the SA men was how family orientated they were...but yes each to their own......say Hi to Table Mountain for me
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moodyblues: It's just that if I had to pick between a knuckle dragger and a man who has monthly facials - I'd pick the knuckle dragger. Sorry, just different things for different people.
Using your own experiences in your own environment will probably not give you a fair representation of what other alpha males are like further afield i bet if you looked you would find different alphas from all around the world.------ This thread is Archived ------
LuvinHavinFun: haha every1 here thinks they r
You may call me Optimus Prime...
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dolphin1: 10 years ago :( still miss it like crazy.
Yes some of the women rule the roost - but not all - and another thing I liked about the SA men was how family orientated they were...but yes each to their own......say Hi to Table Mountain for me
I will.Yes some of the women rule the roost - but not all - and another thing I liked about the SA men was how family orientated they were...but yes each to their own......say Hi to Table Mountain for me
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DjWabbet: Its interesting that you havent noticed that like everything else in life the "Alpha Male" model has and will continue to evolve.
The Alpha male you refer to is at best, a throwback to the 70's and 80's, why, if you think back even further to the times when the alpha male was the sole breadwinner and etiquette demanded that his meals were on the table when he finished work, the housework and children were tended to by the time he got home and the housewife was at his beck and call in a life long sentence of indentured servitude.
The Alpha males of today, have developed and evolved, i have actually gone with a male friend of mine and stood in a store and argued about the merits of thread counts in bed sheets, now, we are both ex rugby players, we still drink (and know our limits) strip clubs bore us to no end, and if we had to fight for survival we would and have no compunction about doing so.
The difference is that we are much more smarter than our predecessors and we realise that its not all about us.
Or is it that personally you just prefer the old knuckle draggers?
Wabbet, you just made my legs go all wobbly again The Alpha male you refer to is at best, a throwback to the 70's and 80's, why, if you think back even further to the times when the alpha male was the sole breadwinner and etiquette demanded that his meals were on the table when he finished work, the housework and children were tended to by the time he got home and the housewife was at his beck and call in a life long sentence of indentured servitude.
The Alpha males of today, have developed and evolved, i have actually gone with a male friend of mine and stood in a store and argued about the merits of thread counts in bed sheets, now, we are both ex rugby players, we still drink (and know our limits) strip clubs bore us to no end, and if we had to fight for survival we would and have no compunction about doing so.
The difference is that we are much more smarter than our predecessors and we realise that its not all about us.
Or is it that personally you just prefer the old knuckle draggers?
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SummerUK: Wabbet, you just made my legs go all wobbly again
Shhhhh... the footys on...Joking...
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Well said rob
Now that's a real man comment!!!